Canon EOS M2 Specs Revealed?

[traveller]

There are rumours out there that Nikon is intending to do something different to their "1" series in a P7800 style body; Canon might be advised to do the same. At least they've gone for an APS-C sensor.

The real weakness of the EOS-M system is the lack of lenses. You could probably make do with EF(-S) mount telephotos on the adaptor if the AF system was up to it, as the size difference wouldn't be that great, but the whole point of removing the mirror is to make wide angle lenses more compact.

I can't see Canon bothering to launch any primes with this sort of M2, as it's too consumer orientated and Canon don't think consumers buy primes -witness the total lack of any non-macro primes for the EF-S line (I think the EF-M 22mm f/2 was a sop to the enthusiast press to try and generate some good reviews).

 

[Proffarm]

The more I'm sitting here, in my office and stewing about this the more micro 4/3rds is looking REALLY attractive to me.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I think it's got to be a fake rumor.

Either that or Canon may as well just fire the entire engineering department and hire a few more marketers and managers. They sure as heck will need that if they expect to push and make a success of their mirrorless efforts and marketing thinks they need to protect the 70D and such from the M2 and they saddle it with an old Rebel sensor, come on! No PDAF, etc.?? THAT is how they'd try to finally make the M line sell? And that on top of a last second delay that puts it past the holidays?? If true they obviously have decided they don't need engineers and they sure as heck will need some marketers to pull this off.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

why only 4.6 FPS?

other mirrorless cameras have much faster burst rates.
in fact the burst rates are one thing that i really like about mirroless cameras.

I have a p/s with a burst mode of 11.5 fps, but if you reduce the image size it will let you get away with 60fps. I have heard of other p/s that do bursts of 120fps..... 4.6 is slow.....

Yeah hopefully it is a rumor fed by some competitor trying to turn people off of the M series, because if it is for real, wow, then Canon has become even a new level of conservative and out of touch.

 

[Proffarm]

I think it's got to be a fake rumor.

Either that or Canon may as well just fire the entire engineering department and hire a few more marketers and managers. They sure as heck will need that if they expect to push and make a success of their mirrorless efforts and marketing thinks they need to protect the 70D and such from the M2 and they saddle it with an old Rebel sensor, come on! No PDAF, etc.?? THAT is how they'd try to finally make the M line sell? And that on top of a last second delay that puts it past the holidays?? If true they obviously have decided they don't need engineers and they sure as heck will need some marketers to pull this off.

I spent the holiday weekend reading about the Panasonic GX-7 and thinking, 'Oh wow, I can't WAIT until Canon shows us the M2..' I assumed that they were going to really make a concerted effort this time around and show everyone else how it's done...

Guess not, if this rumor is even slightly true.

Don't get me wrong, like I said earlier, I love my little M and it is so much fun. But having played around with it for about 5 months I now know what I really want.. And I want...more.

 

[Dylan777]

yeah i first misread the sensor information.
i always thought they will use the latest (best) APS-C sensor for the M2. :

why only 4.6 FPS?

other mirrorless cameras have much faster burst rates.
in fact the burst rates are one thing that i really like about mirroless cameras.

With mirrorless, you don't really need more than 2-3fps since you can't track moving subject anyway.

 

[jrista]

yeah i first misread the sensor information.
i always thought they will use the latest (best) APS-C sensor for the M2. :

why only 4.6 FPS?

other mirrorless cameras have much faster burst rates.
in fact the burst rates are one thing that i really like about mirroless cameras.

With mirrorless, you don't really need more than 2-3fps since you can't track moving subject anyway.

DPAF can track moving subjects, and well enough for 30fps video!

 

[infared]

Sorry ...but I just have to laugh. No mention of a VF for the new M?
Look...I have an extensive MFT kit to complement my Canon FF Kit... I have been researching picking up an Olympus E-PL5 as a second MFT body.
1. VERY small.
2. Can be fitted with the BEST EVF out there...Olympus VF4
3. 8 frames per second
4. Incredibly extensive small, fast, prime lens selection...(all lenses actually including zooms)
That is just a few of the bests on the M-system..and the E-PL5 is one year old...and I bet that it focuses faster than the new M??????

I am looking at all of the other manufacturers...what the hell is Canon doing in the area of innovation??????????
I think that is a really valid question at this point.

 

[Dylan777]

yeah i first misread the sensor information.
i always thought they will use the latest (best) APS-C sensor for the M2. :

why only 4.6 FPS?

other mirrorless cameras have much faster burst rates.
in fact the burst rates are one thing that i really like about mirroless cameras.

With mirrorless, you don't really need more than 2-3fps since you can't track moving subject anyway.

DPAF can track moving subjects, and well enough for 30fps video!

What is "DPAF"?

 

[Famateur]

yeah i first misread the sensor information.
i always thought they will use the latest (best) APS-C sensor for the M2. :

why only 4.6 FPS?

other mirrorless cameras have much faster burst rates.
in fact the burst rates are one thing that i really like about mirroless cameras.

With mirrorless, you don't really need more than 2-3fps since you can't track moving subject anyway.

DPAF can track moving subjects, and well enough for 30fps video!

What is "DPAF"?

Dual Pixel Auto Focus, introduced in the 70D.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

Sorry ...but I just have to laugh. No mention of a VF for the new M?
Look...I have an extensive MFT kit to complement my Canon FF Kit... I have been researching picking up an Olympus E-PL5 as a second MFT body.
1. VERY small.
2. Can be fitted with the BEST EVF out there...Olympus VF4
3. 8 frames per second
4. Incredibly extensive small, fast, prime lens selection...(all lenses actually including zooms)
That is just a few of the bests on the M-system..and the E-PL5 is one year old...and I bet that it focuses faster than the new M??????

I am looking at all of the other manufacturers...what the hell is Canon doing in the area of innovation??????????
I think that is a really valid question at this point.

you do realize it´s just a rumor yet?
like my latest rumor.... canon is only making popcorn from 2015 onwards.

why not getting your heartattack when the specs are really out? ;D

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

If this rumor is true, I am afraid that it makes sense to question I raised at the topic below: ???

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18358.0

 

[Famateur]

If this rumor is true, I think it's evidence of Canon beginning to make mirrorless the new point-and-shoot market.

As camera phones devour the point-and-shoot market, Canon needs a new consumer-level bread-and-butter line that's good enough to be a clear advantage over camera phones but low enough in feature set to avoid cannibalizing the DSLR market. It wouldn't surprise me if Canon introduced several slightly different flavors of the the consumer-level M. For the consumer market, I doubt any of them have any clue which generation of sensor is in the camera, and they probably don't care. If it's cheap enough and has nifty enough features and is easy to use, the consumer market will be happy.

How such a strategy might fare against competing mirrorless offerings will definitely be interesting. As long as Canon does produce a high-end mirrorless body with all the whistles and bells -- and at a price congruent with DSLRs and/or competing high-end mirrorless solutions -- then it could be a good strategy. If Canon can(will) beat the competition at the high end, it will be free to play around with shaping a new (mirrorless) consumer market as its managers please.

Just remember that the features (or lack thereof) of the EOS M that cause us to grind our teeth are part-and-parcel for the consumer market. What it will all come down to is price against the competition and its feature set. Isn't that what competition is all about?

Obviously, neither the current M nor the M of this rumor represent a serious attempt by Canon to show the world how the ultimate mirrorless body should be done. If/when Canon decides to make such a statement, I'm confident it will be nothing less than spectacular. Meanwhile, we can all speculate on what will motivate Canon to do it...oh, and take some pictures between forum posts.

 

[Harv]

I think I'll just sew larger pockets into all my clothing that will accommodate my 1D4 + 24-70 and stick with that. :

 

[noncho]

I have M, for M2 I would like:
Faster and better tracking AF, bigger grip, more FPS... New sensor will not make miracles for me.
BUT - I need more great little primes for this system!

 

[lw]

For those disappointed by this announcement it doesn't preclude canon announcing a 2nd M model at the same time or shortly after.
Many of the M rumours have suggested that Canon would be announcing two M models.

This is a leaked spec for the M2. A M-something else could / should still be on the cards for announcement now or at CES in January

 

[AvTvM]

Some time back, the rumor was for two new models in the M lineup - a 'low end' one that is a little smaller than the current M and targeted at 'consumers', and a 'high end' one incorporating DPAF and coming a bit later.

This rumor sounds like the former, particularly with the smartphone integration stuff.

that was my first thought as well. However, the rumor is so strange ... e.g. as you already pointed out ... the ominous "2.3x AF-speed" ... otoh many of the other specs sound very credible. Wifi added, which enables apps for image transfer to and remote control by smartphones, slightly improved fps and AF, even smaller size ... done!
Canon would then reserve the 70D DPAF-sensor (plus EVF) for a later, higher-end EOS-M "3"- as rumored/speculated earlier on.

A true Sony A7R and Oly OMD1 killer. Canon at its "most innovative". Still hope it's not true though. :

 

[RGomezPhotos]

Not ground breaking but looks pretty cool. For $300, I'd probably buy one. If $400 or more, it better have some really nice lenses available...

 

[Eimajm]

I'm interested in the M2 if I could get a compact 15mm prime with it to go with the 22mm. I not fussed at massive fps as I don't think the camera is aimed at the sports market, rather a nicer PAS with better image quality. I would also be quite happy with a rebel sensor, I was pleased with the IQ of my 350d when I had it and prints out from it were very good too. Just focus on new lenses and I'm sure it'll be a winner.

 

[Bob Howland]

As I've written before, this model may represent nothing more than Canon's attempt to reduce the cost of manufacturing an M body. I doubt that Canon makes any profit on the original M body at the current kit prices and they weren't able to attract buyers at the original prices, so they may be trying to make something they can sell profitably with a 22mm lens for $500. A smaller M2 at that price would compete very well against something like the Panasonic GM1, especially with the larger Canon sensor.

That would explain the firmware upgrade for the current model. Essentially its development cost was absorbed in creating usable firmware for the new model.

All I know is that neither the current M nor the M2 makes me want to pull out my credit card. I'll wait for Canon's answer to the Panasonic GX7 (and/or maybe the GH3) but only if Canon also introduces their answer to the Metabones Speed Booster