Canon EOS Rebel T7's are Next on the DSLR Schedule [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re told that the next DSLR(s) from Canon will be replacement for the EOS Rebel T6s and EOS Rebel T6i. There is currently no information or apparent plans for a direct replacement for the EOS Rebel Sl1.</p>
<p>While specifications are unknown at present, we’re told that the new Rebels will launch in a “unique way”, we’re hoping to hear soon what that means. We also don’t know if both the EOS Rebel T6s and EOS Rebel T6i will get direct replacements when the T7 series cameras come.</p>
<p>It’s our understanding that the big drop in Canon DSLR shipments have mainly been due to significant drops in Rebel series sales, 5 years ago you couldn’t keep them on the shelf at Christmas time, those times are long gone.</p>
<p>I suspect we’ll see the new Rebels at CES in January or CP+ in February.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[Chaitanya]

I hope Canon just keep one EOS xxxD with ergonomics of 760D. Also my friend who own 760D was always complaining of shutter lag so I hope that's fixed with 800D.

 

[drmikeinpdx]

I like the Rebel form factor for my crop sensor bodies, so I always keep a couple of them around. I use them for walk around cameras, vacation cameras and as backup for my 5D3.

I really like the idea of the S models that have the top panel LCD display, but I am waiting to see if the next generation Rebels get the new lower noise sensors. If they do, I will pick up one in late 2017 when they start showing up in the refurbished store.

 

[crashpc]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

 

[Ryananthony]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

 

[Ozarker]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

I think that is what his point is. The 7D Mark II has 20.2mp, the 80D has 24.2 and the 7D Mark II has 20.2mp. The T6i has 24.2mp.

So there are two APSC cameras with more than 24mp.

It is his opinion that 24.2mp is long in the tooth for APSC bodies. OPINION. So what?

The truth? There is no such thing as the truth when it comes to that particular opinion.

I think there will be a 30mp APSC sensor in the T7i. I'm probably wrong. More like 36mp. Who cares? It's just an opinion.

 

[crashpc]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

That is exactly my point. No other APS camera except dead Samsung has more. Iteration after iteration, after iteration, we're hanging at 20-24Mpx. No low light beast or hi-res beast in crop camera class. That is boring, and not helping me to choose. How do you think I will upgrade when the next iteration will be again 24Mpx, or again the same FPS or whatever...

 

[overniven]

The Rebel seems unnecessary in today's market. They need to move on getting the Rebel moved to mirrorless (ala M10, M20, M30 etc).

They just need to fix that lack of lenses problem. The adapter isn't the solution, it's a stop-gap.

 

[ahsanford]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

Samsung's NX line (RIP) had 28 MP APS-C sensors two years ago in fact. Pretty damn good ones, if I recall.

And Sony has offered 24 MP sensors on SLRs and mirrorless APS-C rigs since 2011.

I personally don't think chasing pixels in smaller sensors is particularly wise, but some folks (rightly or wrongly) peg the number going up as a 'must' to seem current and competitive. Some of these same folks never shoot video but still insist a new rig in 2016 must have 4K, so please take those comments with a grain of salt. :

- A

 

[ahsanford]

The Rebel seems unnecessary in today's market. They need to move on getting the Rebel moved to mirrorless (ala M10, M20, M30 etc).

The market disagrees with you. They regularly top Amazon's top sellers list. Rebels pay the bills and keep the lights on at Canon.

In fairness, that won't be forever. The market is changing, and I do believe the cell phone is devouring the standalone camera business for the non-enthusiast masses, the John Q Hockeydads and Mary P Soccermoms, if you will. But pulling the mirror out of the Rebel line isn't going to save it, because size isn't the reason people abandon standalone cameras.

People abandon standalone cameras because the camera in their pocket is (nearly) as good, and that speaks to not wanting to carry a second item around. No amount of camera thinning from a mirrorless redesign is going to satisfy that user need.

- A

 

[scrup]

Someone needs to cater to the entry level photographers and price point. I am glad Canon and Nikon are still in this space. Shows they are still trying to get new customers and grow "Pure" photography at the grassroots level.

 

[rrcphoto]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

That is exactly my point. No other APS camera except dead Samsung has more. Iteration after iteration, after iteration, we're hanging at 20-24Mpx. No low light beast or hi-res beast in crop camera class. That is boring, and not helping me to choose. How do you think I will upgrade when the next iteration will be again 24Mpx, or again the same FPS or whatever...

24Mp is the equivalent of 62MP full frame in terms of pixel density. which is probably why you're not seeing much greater than that.

 

[brad-man]

That's quite long time for myself hanging on original M. No M3 II(M5 without EVF)?
I'll definitely spend all my money on lenses, not having money for adequate camera body later. Also 24Mpx sweetspot is long in the tooth. How about 18/36Mpx differentiated models?

24mp is long in the tooth? What crop sensor camera has more then 24mp? Let alone significantly higher like 36mp?

That is exactly my point. No other APS camera except dead Samsung has more. Iteration after iteration, after iteration, we're hanging at 20-24Mpx. No low light beast or hi-res beast in crop camera class. That is boring, and not helping me to choose. How do you think I will upgrade when the next iteration will be again 24Mpx, or again the same FPS or whatever...

Considering how long we were subjected to the 18MP sensor, 24 seems pretty damn fresh to me

 

[ahsanford]

Considering how long we were subjected to the 18MP sensor, 24 seems pretty damn fresh to me

DR is the bigger need to address than resolution, IMHO. DXO's data (throw up in my mouth noise) puts the last two rebels a whopping 2.6 EVs behind APS-C best in class.

Just dropping the 80D sensor in the next Rebels would cut that gap in half.

- A

 

[douglaurent]

Hardly anybody who owns a DSLR and a smartphone will see the advantage of buying another Rebel model with another set of mini innovation. If Canon would be clever, they simply release all their DSLR models in mirrorless versions, and add 4K video and a lot of the many little helping workflow functions you can find in Sony, Panasonic or other manufacturer's cameras.

This way they have a smooth transition to mirrorless, and many people will see a reason to buy a camera that has visible upgrades in workflow and at least video quality. If your smartphone records 4K videos, 1080p specs in a large camera are not sexy.

All people who own 1-5 Canon lenses also would see that buying a new camera only (instead of a complete new system) is not such a big step, and maybe even some customers lost to Sony who kept their Canon accessoires will return. An APS-C mirrorless line will EF mount will also not cannibalize the 5D4, 1DX2 etc.

I personally will not invest in any Canon mirrorless system that doesn't take full advantage of EF lenses.

 

[brad-man]

Considering how long we were subjected to the 18MP sensor, 24 seems pretty damn fresh to me

DR is the bigger need to address than resolution, IMHO. DXO's data (throw up in my mouth noise) puts the last two rebels a whopping 2.6 EVs behind APS-C best in class.

Just dropping the 80D sensor in the next Rebels would cut that gap in half.

- A

I agree. I would expect the new Rebel sensors to have the new chip architecture (on board ADC), though I'm less confident they'll include DPAF. Market differentiation, bla, bla, bla...

 

[mitchel2002]

i think a 12mp and 24mp sounds right for these

 

[ahsanford]

i think a 12mp and 24mp sounds right for these

This beginner / family SLR category unfortunately tends to stack up MP against competitors as a first or possibly second value-making/decision-making priority. I think the upsides of a 12 MP sensor (better high ISO files, more shots captured for a given size of a card, etc.) would largely be lost on such a consumer level product and would not sell well at all, even if price was discounted.

So in this market segment, people seem to offer the 'right' MP count to be comparable. Of late, that figure has been 24 MP for Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax. Everyone has a 24 MP rig, so those would appear to be table stakes to join that fray with a new model.

You can actually charge more to offer less pixels in APS-C, but only the speciality action market segment: enthusiast birders / wildlifers in the premium APS-C slot (D500, 7D2, etc.)

- A

 

[9VIII]

i think a 12mp and 24mp sounds right for these

This beginner / family SLR category unfortunately tends to stack up MP against competitors as a first or possibly second value-making/decision-making priority. I think the upsides of a 12 MP sensor (better high ISO files, more shots captured for a given size of a card, etc.) would largely be lost on such a consumer level product and would not sell well at all, even if price was discounted.

So in this market segment, people seem to offer the 'right' MP count to be comparable. Of late, that figure has been 24 MP for Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji, Pentax. Everyone has a 24 MP rig, so those would appear to be table stakes to join that fray with a new model.

You can actually charge more to offer less pixels in APS-C, but only the speciality action market segment: enthusiast birders / wildlifers in the premium APS-C slot (D500, 7D2, etc.)

- A

12MP would be very popular... if they gave it full sensor readout 4K recording.

So I would expect to see a Rebel with full sensor 4K sometime around 2030, after it trickles down from the Cinema line to the 1DX3, to the 5D6, to the 6D5, to the... What do they call it three revisions after the 90D?
And then eventually to the T14i.
Anyway, I think it's safe to say that "some day" they're going to put a 12MP sensor in a Rebel.

 

[ritholtz]

80d sensor into Rebel with mfa, I am in. Really like Rebel size. I think Canon not offering discounts is one of the reason for sales drop. Previous rebels used to go down to $400 price point very often. New rebels are very expensive.