Canon Sends Invitation to Dealers for Major Mirrorless Presentation Next Month

[ahsanford]

I'm trying to visualise how you hold your camera with a large fast lens attached and failing. Don't you support the lens with your left (if right handed) hand? How would this be different with a smaller body?

That's the process of framing and shooting, yes.

But one also...

• ...has to draw the camera from a bag and put it away when you are done (or need to move to the next location)
• ...hold the camera near/around the chest in those in between moments between resting (perhaps on a BR or neck strap) and actually framing and shooting
• ...reviews / chimps / pixel-peeps their shots

And all three of those circumstances heavily rely on the primary (right) hand to do the heavy lifting.

Again, one can use Keith's setup above with an M5 no sweat -- it's a question of how long you want to shoot with that combo that concerns me. A chunkier grip will absolutely be a more comfortable shooting experience over time.

- A

 

[goldenhusky]

Just my 2 cents...

There are very slim chances for this to be true. So Please do not get very excited. Be "Canon realistic". There is no mirror less camera registered with any authorities besides M50. The terms like "only CEOs invited" , "very high end", "heavy glossy paper"' "sensor cut out" are signs that this is bogus. So people who switched to other systems don't feel bad. IMO it will be another 2 to 4 years before Canon will (if at all they will) match video specs of today's Sony a7r3 or a9. Regardless I will be happy to see some EF mount (or works seamlessly with EF mount) camera with decent video specs coming out.

 

[unfocused]

...If you stop and think, this forum has had many pages of wish list items for a FF mirrorless. If Canon reads this forum, all the info is here for a design decision...

I don't know which is funnier. The thought of Canon reading this forum or the thought of Canon taking the 5,000 conflicting demands articulated by forum dwellers and coming up with a camera that would please anyone.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

...If you stop and think, this forum has had many pages of wish list items for a FF mirrorless. If Canon reads this forum, all the info is here for a design decision...

I don't know which is funnier. The thought of Canon reading this forum or the thought of Canon taking the 5,000 conflicting demands articulated by forum dwellers and coming up with a camera that would please anyone.

And here you go!

Canon's new mirrorless MD5 I by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

 

[Don Haines]

...If you stop and think, this forum has had many pages of wish list items for a FF mirrorless. If Canon reads this forum, all the info is here for a design decision...

I don't know which is funnier. The thought of Canon reading this forum or the thought of Canon taking the 5,000 conflicting demands articulated by forum dwellers and coming up with a camera that would please anyone.

And here you go!

Canon's new mirrorless MD5 I by Keith Breazeal, on Flickr

The Adams mode is defective. It is not an Ansel Adams mode, it is a Grizzly Adams mode.

 

[eosuser1234]

I just pray for that day that CR and that neuro guy on these forums gets these invitations.
That will be the day that Canon will finally recognize who is doing their core consumer marketing.

 

[Orangutan]

I just pray for that day that CR and that neuro guy on these forums gets these invitations.
That will be the day that Canon will finally recognize who is doing their core consumer marketing.

<yodavoice>If believe that you do, a bridge in Brooklyn have I to sell you.</yodavoice>

 

[brad-man]

It seems a bit early for a substantive FF mirrorless announcement from Canon. I wonder if the impending Nikon Z-Mount camera rumor lit a fire.

Curiouser and curiouser...

 

[zim]

They are putting the mirror back in and have invited bigwigs to apologize to them for getting it all wrong


I would encourage everyone to go back and read unfocused post on page 3

 

[jolyonralph]

• ...has to draw the camera from a bag and put it away when you are done (or need to move to the next location)
• ...hold the camera near/around the chest in those in between moments between resting (perhaps on a BR or neck strap) and actually framing and shooting
• ...reviews / chimps / pixel-peeps their shots

And all three of those circumstances heavily rely on the primary (right) hand to do the heavy lifting.

Again, one can use Keith's setup above with an M5 no sweat -- it's a question of how long you want to shoot with that combo that concerns me. A chunkier grip will absolutely be a more comfortable shooting experience over time.

- A

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

 

[Loswr]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

 

[jolyonralph]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

It's what you're used to. I tried to use a 1DX once, huge brick that wasn't at all comfortable to use. But I'm sure I'd get used to it if I did, as you would if you used the M5 for long enough.

I do agree the original M/M2/M3 had ergonomic issues and were perhaps too small, but the M5 is an entirely different beast.

 

[Loswr]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

It's what you're used to. I tried to use a 1DX once, huge brick that wasn't at all comfortable to use. But I'm sure I'd get used to it if I did, as you would if you used the M5 for long enough.

I do agree the original M/M2/M3 had ergonomic issues and were perhaps too small, but the M5 is an entirely different beast.

Exactly. Buy gloves that are a couple of sizes too small. Wear them for a while, you'll get used to them. Makes sense.

To be clear, any of the M bodies are fine with EF-M lenses. But not with a larger lens, e.g. 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8.

 

[Orangutan]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

It's what you're used to. I tried to use a 1DX once, huge brick that wasn't at all comfortable to use. But I'm sure I'd get used to it if I did, as you would if you used the M5 for long enough.

I do agree the original M/M2/M3 had ergonomic issues and were perhaps too small, but the M5 is an entirely different beast.

Exactly. Buy gloves that are a couple of sizes too small. Wear them for a while, you'll get used to them. Makes sense.

To be clear, any of the M bodies are fine with EF-M lenses. But not with a larger lens, e.g. 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8.

You've repeatedly said that you have no problem with people describing their personal needs and experiences, but are bothered when they extrapolate. jolyonralph described his own experience that he got used to the M5 with larger lenses, and suggested others might also. He made no universal statements. You're in no position to tell him his personal experience is "wrong."

 

[Mikehit]

Just my 2 cents...

There are very slim chances for this to be true. So Please do not get very excited. Be "Canon realistic". There is no mirror less camera registered with any authorities besides M50. The terms like "only CEOs invited" , "very high end", "heavy glossy paper"' "sensor cut out" are signs that this is bogus. So people who switched to other systems don't feel bad. IMO it will be another 2 to 4 years before Canon will (if at all they will) match video specs of today's Sony a7r3 or a9. Regardless I will be happy to see some EF mount (or works seamlessly with EF mount) camera with decent video specs coming out.

The 5DSR surprised people. The 6D surprised everyone as I recall. Canon can play it very close to their chest when they want to...

 

[Loswr]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

It's what you're used to. I tried to use a 1DX once, huge brick that wasn't at all comfortable to use. But I'm sure I'd get used to it if I did, as you would if you used the M5 for long enough.

I do agree the original M/M2/M3 had ergonomic issues and were perhaps too small, but the M5 is an entirely different beast.

Exactly. Buy gloves that are a couple of sizes too small. Wear them for a while, you'll get used to them. Makes sense.

To be clear, any of the M bodies are fine with EF-M lenses. But not with a larger lens, e.g. 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8.

You've repeatedly said that you have no problem with people describing their personal needs and experiences, but are bothered when they extrapolate. jolyonralph described his own experience that he got used to the M5 with larger lenses, and suggested others might also. He made no universal statements. You're in no position to tell him his personal experience is "wrong."

He states 'you' and not 'I', but he's describing his personal experience. And he's in a position to tell me what my personal experience would be? Is that not extrapolation? Thanks for sharing your own personal double standard.

 

[Orangutan]

It's all down to what you're used to. Yes, the M5 feels different and balances differently and it's off putting initially but you get used to it really quickly and the size is NO drawback.

Sure, once you start using a small camera that's uncomfortable to hold with a heavy lens, your hand shrinks and suddenly it's all better.

It's what you're used to. I tried to use a 1DX once, huge brick that wasn't at all comfortable to use. But I'm sure I'd get used to it if I did, as you would if you used the M5 for long enough.

I do agree the original M/M2/M3 had ergonomic issues and were perhaps too small, but the M5 is an entirely different beast.

Exactly. Buy gloves that are a couple of sizes too small. Wear them for a while, you'll get used to them. Makes sense.

To be clear, any of the M bodies are fine with EF-M lenses. But not with a larger lens, e.g. 24-70/2.8 or 70-200/2.8.

You've repeatedly said that you have no problem with people describing their personal needs and experiences, but are bothered when they extrapolate. jolyonralph described his own experience that he got used to the M5 with larger lenses, and suggested others might also. He made no universal statements. You're in no position to tell him his personal experience is "wrong."

He states 'you' and not 'I', but he's describing his personal experience. And he's in a position to tell me what my personal experience would be? Is that not extrapolation? Thanks for sharing your own personal double standard.

Really??!! He was clearly using the metaphorical "you," as opposed to the overly-formal "one." It's a figure of speech -- have you never heard that expression? And regarding the second, it's another figure of speech: he was (to me) clearly not stating it as an absolute fact, but as an opinion. Would you rather that he said "if one were to wear them for a while, I believe one might well get used to them?"

There are some people on these forums who do, in fact, extrapolate, and deserve little charity for word choices; I do not believe this is one of those cases.

 

[Loswr]

@Orangutan - he's so lucky to have a staunch defender like you. There are lots of wrongs on the Internet, I suggest you get busy!

 

[AlanF]

Would you rather that he said "if one were to wear them for a while, I believe one might well get used to them?"

There are some people on these forums who do, in fact, extrapolate, and deserve little charity for word choices; I do not believe this is one of those cases.

Sorry to come down hard on grammar but I can't resist it in a discussion of precision in use of words: "if one were" = an impossible or unreal event ("were" used as a subjunctive in a conditional clause). It should be "If one was" as one is describing a real event.
Apologies.

 

[Orangutan]

@Orangutan - he's so lucky to have a staunch defender like you.

Not defending him, specifically; I'm reminding you that you don't have to be in "fierce debate mode" all the time.

There are lots of wrongs on the Internet, I suggest you get busy!

I have a full team working on it right now!