Canon to Surprise With New Mirrorless Camera

[3kramd5]

If they deliver:

High-Mpix kick-ass mirrorless that has no compromises, high DR, takes EF lenses native and $3k price tag.

Take my money.

There's no such thing as a product without compromises. Eliminating the mirror necessarily compromises battery life and having large dedicated sensors for autofocus.

Depends. Keep the 1DX2 frame and make it mirrorless. You can easily have battery which is not compromise.

By eliminating the mirror, you must use the display while framing. Sure, one can mitigate it by putting larger batteries in (and I agree that's a good approach, as opposed to merely shrinking the camera), but it's still a compromise.

That's the nature of design. Something's gotta give. The best product for a given market is likely the one which sucks the least at everything and isn't best at anything

For DSLRs, I believe the 5D3 has held that crown for quite a while!

 

[brunerww]

Interesting - I'm primarily a video guy who sold my Canon T2i and transitioned to Panasonic mirrorless 6 years ago, but I would come back for a 4K Canon EF-M camera with a built-in viewfinder, 1080/60p or higher, a headphone jack and unlimited continuous recording.

They also have to fix the LCD so that the selfie mode doesn't block the user from mounting a mic on the hot shoe. A T6i/70D swivel-type LCD would be nice.

A camera like that would absolutely kill the Panasonic G7 (and the Sony A6000). But while we wait, I'll be shooting 4K through my built-in viewfinder.

 

[wyotex43n]

I dropped out of photography before the digital era. I decided to take it up again 2 years ago. Mirrorless has some attraction but I purchased a 70D. Right price for beginning and I really liked the idea of the DPAF sensor. I have been surprised this has not show up in a canon mirrorless. Anyway what I want from canon mirrorless could be either of the following.
A. a mirrorless camera that would meet or beat the specs of my 70D with an EVF and the form factor of an M3 (slightly larger would be fine) . Equal or better AF with any Canon lens.
B. A body like the 70d with an EVF. Video specs of the 7d Mark ll or better.

I am also interested in a FF camera but thats another topic. I know I will wind up with two cameras but I want one to be as good as my 70d but better video usabilty (EVF) plus take more advantage of the DPAF and be hopefully more compact for travel. The other will be a FF camera with a great sensor. Hopefully the new 5D Mark IV.

 

[9VIII]

Really Canon doesn't have to change anything with EOS-M to make a Full Frame Mirrorless body. The EF-M mount is already 3mm larger in diameter than the Nikon F mount, and 1mm larger than the Sony FE mount.

And if we're going to talk about taking the mirror out of a 1D body, I want to see them put a 42mm sensor in there, which would be just a tad smaller than the 645z. Compared to that thing a 1D body is already compact.

 

[tpatana]

If they deliver:

High-Mpix kick-ass mirrorless that has no compromises, high DR, takes EF lenses native and $3k price tag.

Take my money.

There's no such thing as a product without compromises. Eliminating the mirror necessarily compromises battery life and having large dedicated sensors for autofocus.

Depends. Keep the 1DX2 frame and make it mirrorless. You can easily have battery which is not compromise.

By eliminating the mirror, you must use the display while framing. Sure, one can mitigate it by putting larger batteries in (and I agree that's a good approach, as opposed to merely shrinking the camera), but it's still a compromise.

EVF is tiny, so it doesn't take much juice. Also if the main display is oled, it'll consume less power in most cases. So there's couple ways to mitigate around that. So I don't need perfect camera, but close to perfect would be nice

 

[cellomaster27]

wow! no more catch up? well, maybe they'll equal something on the market at least. I'll try to keep my expectations low~ haha definitely something exciting though? i really really hope for a revamped sensor!

 

[Maiaibing]

Sorry, did not read through the 60+ posts - but do people expect a possible FF Canon mirrorless would be likely to do fast AF with existing EF-lenses?

 

[Maiaibing]

reactionary retrograde retrobsessive nostalgia for labelled dials, I'll be bored, but I might still bite.

And still you wonder how Canon get's away with it? :

 

[crashpc]

I hope they divide pro and enthusiasts/consumer body line, so pros wil get nice VF, great battery life, weather sealing and awesome C-AF capabilities with at least 10FPS, while enthusiasts and consumers get new tech in a tinny body like M or M3.

 

[KeithBreazeal]

I find it interesting that the camera body pictured used a full frame lens. Just saying.

 

[racebit]

Timing of this rumor coincides with the revival of The X-Files. Coincidence?

Rumor?
Masaya Maeda on September:
"In the very near future, I think that Canon will come out with a mirrorless camera that you would really like. I promise."
This was directed to the interviewer, so it means an enthusiast camera. This is it.

Link: http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/09/16/canon-maeda-promises-eos-m-enthusiasts-more-aps-c-lenses-new-printers

 

[crashpc]

Yes, and some Samsung exec told us that the Samsung will dominate MILC market in three years. Ehm, guess what happens with most claims? It doesn't happen. So Canon is supposed to NOT surprise us as usually, and I would be really surprised to see any deviation from this known unsurprising behavior of Canon.

 

[mb66energy]

What about a 50 MPix FF mirrorless (sensors of 5DS(r)) - here the omitted mirror decreases
shake and sensor AF gives better reliability for sharp shots (of slow moving) scenery.
Add a 5 axis sensor stabilization and you have a perfect camera for (ultra) high resolution images.
Large capacity battery (inside larger grip) and built in EVF are mandatory.

I don't know what the price of 5Ds' sensors is but maybe it is well below 1000 $ / € - chip production
including LCD panels has low failure rates today so maybe you can use each square inch of your
silicon to sell it.

The following position of that camera may be:
1Dx ii: very fast action, very rigid, high price 6k$/€
5D iv : fast action, all round, medium price 3.5k$/€
5Ds (r): moderate action, high res required, medium price 3.5k$/€
EOS M 50MPix: slow/no action, high res required, low price 1.8k$/€

I would prefer a low flange distance bayonet for such an EOS mirrorless because I would really like to see#
how my old FD lenses perform, especially the 2.5/3.5 135 and the 1.4 50 S.S.C. - on the EOS M (classic) the
quality of the 3.5 / 135 is simply outstanding.

 

[RGF]

Ideally the same sensor as the A7R II with menus and controls that make sense.

I would sell my A7R II instantly if this camera was announced.

I'll take it off your hands. My A7R II could use a backup

Out of curiosity, what part of the menus don't make sense? I only really need to access a handful of things in the menus with any regularity:
1) Format
2) Display setting effect (I usually have it 'on' to show the exposure, unless I'm shooting with strobes in which case it's typically too dark)
3) Raw type (to toggle uncompressed when appropriate)
4&5) Airplane Mode and Send to Smartphone

With custom buttons and the custom menu, all shooting functions I use (and some I don't) are accessible outside of the menus. I still wish it had a dedicated tool to select focus points, but other than that I've learned the controls and don't find it lacking relative to my Canon's (and it's a hell of a lot better than my Nikon).

a number of things, here are 2 that bothered this week - may be i have yet to fully understand /utilize the camera,

1. how do I move focus points around?
2. How do I go into "live view" and move around on the screen to check critical focus

Rich

 

[canonvoir]

I typically use my camera for ultra-long distance backpacking, where every oz. counts. Point and shoot cameras are popular in that world, but the images are never the best quality. The Canon M3 has been the best compromise for me, offering control, superb imagery, detachable lenses, and, most importantly, light weight. Though few people ever talk about it in this forum, weight, even to a ½ oz., is extremely critical. Because the camera gets tossed around a lot, and it is impossible to really keep it clean when on the trail for months at a time, operational durability in such harsh environments becomes critical. I wait anxiously for the next M series camera with this in mind.

Would the Sony a6000 be lighter? It feels lighter than my M.

 

[bainsybike]

If it is full frame, it would be nice if it had an automatic crop mode, and could use existing M lenses without an adaptor.

 

[tcmatthews]

Ideally the same sensor as the A7R II with menus and controls that make sense.

I would sell my A7R II instantly if this camera was announced.

I'll take it off your hands. My A7R II could use a backup

Out of curiosity, what part of the menus don't make sense? I only really need to access a handful of things in the menus with any regularity:
1) Format
2) Display setting effect (I usually have it 'on' to show the exposure, unless I'm shooting with strobes in which case it's typically too dark)
3) Raw type (to toggle uncompressed when appropriate)
4&5) Airplane Mode and Send to Smartphone

With custom buttons and the custom menu, all shooting functions I use (and some I don't) are accessible outside of the menus. I still wish it had a dedicated tool to select focus points, but other than that I've learned the controls and don't find it lacking relative to my Canon's (and it's a hell of a lot better than my Nikon).

a number of things, here are 2 that bothered this week - may be i have yet to fully understand /utilize the camera,

1. how do I move focus points around?
2. How do I go into "live view" and move around on the screen to check critical focus

Rich

I have found with my A7II (and Nex6 before it) that it can be convenient to map the center button to focus magnifier. Other people choose to map this to focus settings.

Then when you want to check critical focus while manually focusing you can hit the center button to bring up the focus magnifier and move it around with the surrounding control pad. This was the way my Nex6 was all the time. I do not like the fact that the review magnification is hard mapped to C3.

If you are using native lenses you can turn on Manual focus assist. Then select DFM mode this allows one shot autofocus with manual adjustments. You only have to move the the focus ring and it will bring magnify the area. You can then move it around with direction pad around.

I currently have c1 and c2 set to focus mode and focus area. I have been simply going into Focus area and selecting the spot select and moving it from there. But this is because I do not have any free buttons to customize. Otherwise if you want a direct link to it you will need to map the focus settings to a button. At this point I can manipulate everything I want without moving my eye away from the view finder.

 

[canonvoir]

Ideally the same sensor as the A7R II with menus and controls that make sense.

I would sell my A7R II instantly if this camera was announced.

I'll take it off your hands. My A7R II could use a backup

Out of curiosity, what part of the menus don't make sense? I only really need to access a handful of things in the menus with any regularity:
1) Format
2) Display setting effect (I usually have it 'on' to show the exposure, unless I'm shooting with strobes in which case it's typically too dark)
3) Raw type (to toggle uncompressed when appropriate)
4&5) Airplane Mode and Send to Smartphone

With custom buttons and the custom menu, all shooting functions I use (and some I don't) are accessible outside of the menus. I still wish it had a dedicated tool to select focus points, but other than that I've learned the controls and don't find it lacking relative to my Canon's (and it's a hell of a lot better than my Nikon).

a number of things, here are 2 that bothered this week - may be i have yet to fully understand /utilize the camera,

1. how do I move focus points around?
2. How do I go into "live view" and move around on the screen to check critical focus

Rich

I assume you are asking about the Sony?

Moving focus points around is pretty straight forward. You just program a button, in my case the Center button, and click twice then click the four point dial where you want to move the focus point. Pretty simple.

Manual Focus Assist handles this with easy. As soon as you MF it magnifies automatically then you just click the controls wheel where you want it to go. It is a breeze on the Sony.

I have one foot in Canon and one in Sony. I use Canon for sports only now. Everything else is a Sony and I can use my Canon glass and do with great success. Canon should offer a smaller 5Diii body that is mirrorless with EVF and a Sony Sensor. Would be awesome.

What pushed me to Sony was the sensor.

 

[tcmatthews]

I really like the Fuji X series and, with the X-Pro2 coming in at 24MP, it may be when I finally add a mirrorless body and lens to my camera equipment. I'll wait for someone to get a full review out with information on the DR of the new Fuji sensor before I decide. That should give Canon to make this rumor happen if it is going to. I can't imagine it will actually be something I'll get excited about. The last few times Canon has promised great things in teaser ads, they have turned out to be duds in terms of what I'm looking for.

Yeah...I REALLY love my Olympus cameras when I want to go light...It's a really complete small system and it just keeps getting better and better. They are such a pleasure to use that it makes photography really, really fun! There is a joy and fluidity there. It does not replace my 5DIII Kit, no doubt.., but it compliments it nicely. Fuji is a different take on mirrorless, and a good one as well from what I have read. I am not expecting any changes in my choices with whatever Canon brings to the mirrorless table... I have a huge commitment in my mirrorless kit...it won't be changing by one announcement from a company that has shown no real commitment to a great segment of photography. ...but I look forward to hearing what's up.

I just traded in my Nex6 and EOS-M I came to the conclusion that for a compact system APS-c does not have any real size advantage. I have been playing with a used OMD-EM5. And came to the conclusion that if you want a complete compact travel system it is really hard to beat m43 and Olympus. Now I am taking it to work instead of the EOM-M as a daily use camera.

I think I am more likely to buy a PEN-F than anything Canon announces.

 

[tcmatthews]

I typically use my camera for ultra-long distance backpacking, where every oz. counts. Point and shoot cameras are popular in that world, but the images are never the best quality. The Canon M3 has been the best compromise for me, offering control, superb imagery, detachable lenses, and, most importantly, light weight. Though few people ever talk about it in this forum, weight, even to a ½ oz., is extremely critical. Because the camera gets tossed around a lot, and it is impossible to really keep it clean when on the trail for months at a time, operational durability in such harsh environments becomes critical. I wait anxiously for the next M series camera with this in mind.

Would the Sony a6000 be lighter? It feels lighter than my M.

Yes and so was my Nex6 but I would take a EOS-M or olympus m43 over a Nex6(or a6000) when backpacking. My cat wrapped up the camera strap an through my EOS-M completely across the living room while I was trying to make a cat video. It was completely fine. I think my Nex6 would be in pieces.

A number of the Olympus are sold as weather sealed.