Canon to Surprise With New Mirrorless Camera

[rrcphoto]

Where did you find numbers?

BCN for japan. E-PL's are selling well in Japan, nikon 1 even, M's are selling well. I don't even think A7 series makes the top 50 ILC's.

The Japan market is very price AND brand conscious.

you can get the raw data here for monthly data:
http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008_month.html

for weekly data, an easier source is here:

http://dslrphoto.com/dslr/space.php?do=jranking

another interesting source is:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/electronics/3946818051/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_4_387455011

Its interesting that you can apply filters to be able to compare say FF cameras. The Sony a7II is number 4, right after the 6D, 5D MK III, and D750.

For APS-C sensors, from top down, we see Kiss X7, D5500, Kiss X8i, D3300, D5300, a6000, EOS M3

I've removed duplicates that have options such as colors or kit lenses. If combined, they might change the ranking slightly. Basically, its Canon and Nikon dominating Japan sales.

you did weekly?

right now A6000 has for once burst up in sales. I think the price got lowered in Japan recently as compared to 2015 - probably because the A6100 is due out next month.

however its a rarity that the A6000 ever made the top of APS-C mirrorless in japan the last year.

 

[Loswr]

After three false starts, the biggest surprise would be something that actually competes.

I guess you missed the fact that in the largest market geography for MILCs, the EOS M line is selling quite well. But maybe you meant compete in your own mind, in which case Canon doesn't care even a little.

 

[AvTvM]

I'd be more interested in seeing a substantial and durable mirrorless camera:

Thanks, but no thanks!
Go buy yourself a 5K video cam!

 

[AvTvM]

Anyway, I agree with some others that if they are going to make bigger changes in their camera lines, some kind of SL1 replacement with EVF instead of OVF and mirror box is the most likely product now. That camera is ripe for replacement, it would be a good platform to test the new technologies and customer acceptance

Yada yada yada ... That stupid concept was already "tested" extensively by Sony and it's called SLT. It failed miserably in the market for good reason and cost Sony a ton of money and goodwill from a lot of stranded A-mount customers. It is the combination of the absolutely wordt features of mirrorslappers and mirrorless cameras.

DSLR-shaped and sized cameras luckily have no place in the mirrorless present and much less so in the future.

 

[nhz]

Anyway, I agree with some others that if they are going to make bigger changes in their camera lines, some kind of SL1 replacement with EVF instead of OVF and mirror box is the most likely product now. That camera is ripe for replacement, it would be a good platform to test the new technologies and customer acceptance

Yada yada yada ... That stupid concept was already "tested" extensively by Sony and it's called SLT. It failed miserably in the market for good reason and cost Sony a ton of money and goodwill from a lot of stranded A-mount customers. It is the combination of the absolutely wordt features of mirrorslappers and mirrorless cameras.

DSLR-shaped and sized cameras luckily have no place in the mirrorless present and much less so in the future.

Sony SLT isn't mirrorless in my book - by definition - and I don't expect such a camera from Canon.

I'm talking about a camera with a mix of EOS-M and SL1 features, meant to be small, light and capable enough for the average hobbyist and not just as a 'secundary' or 'soccer mom' camera. Built-in high quality EVF (instead of OVF and mirror/mirrorbox), more advanced AF (especially compared to EOS-M), higher operational speed and build to work with existing EF-S and EF lenses (maybe using an EF/EF-S adapter, but at least with high AF speed etc. otherwise it would be DOA).

 

[tallrob]

The only real surprise would be a direct A7s II competitor.

 

[AvTvM]

SL1 cross EOS-M ... OMG ... I hope not! If i want it "small and stupid", i take my EOS M (even without any viewfinder) but with all of the great, small and dirt-cheap EF-M lenses any day over the SL-1 which is severly crippled even by Canon "Rebel" standards!

Anyone crying for a Canon MiLC with native EF/EF-S mount ... just superglue that cheapo and well-working EF-/EF-M adapter into the mount of any EOS-M, for chrissake!

There is only one Canon mirrorless priority: one kick-ass, fully competitive EOS-M body at last. Great sensor, great AF, great EVF, great battery charge, small size, reasonable price. Black colour only. Neither gold, silver, white nor pink needed. That is all Thats needed for Canon EOS M system to succeed right now.

 

[Don Haines]

I have said this before...... What if the Rebel line goes mirror less? I can see it happening..... For most people, small, cheap, and good enough are the selling points..... The Future of the Rebel line just may be mirrorless bodies that take the full EOS line of lenses with an adaptor.... The question is, how does Canon get there?

 

[Loswr]

Yada yada yada ... That stupid concept was already "tested" extensively by Sony and it's called SLT. It failed miserably in the market for good reason and cost Sony a ton of money and goodwill from a lot of stranded A-mount customers.

Did it fail because of the concept...or the nameplate?

DSLR-shaped and sized cameras luckily have no place in the mirrorless present and much less so in the future.

Time will tell. We've all seen the unsuccessful mirrorless present – basically flat sales for a few years now. I suspect if there is to be a successful mirrorless future, that future starts with a Canon/Nikon Rebel/Dxxxx-type body with an EVF and no mirror.

 

[hubie]

well, 12,2 MP as with the A7s are just not enough... else: When you want good and open lenses (70-200 f/2.8) you get similar lens sizes as with Canon, so it's really only the body that is smaller, and makes handling more difficult when you buy larger primes or zoom lenses. The concept would only work with lenses like the 40 mm f/2.8 or the 50 mm primes.

 

[Hillsilly]

I haven't read through all 8 pages to see if this has already been mentioned. But I think Canon are on the wrong track. There's nothing "wrong" with the M cameras themselves. What's wrong is the lack of quality lens choices and question marks over Canon's commitment.

 

[Don Haines]

Yada yada yada ... That stupid concept was already "tested" extensively by Sony and it's called SLT. It failed miserably in the market for good reason and cost Sony a ton of money and goodwill from a lot of stranded A-mount customers.

Did it fail because of the concept...or the nameplate?

DSLR-shaped and sized cameras luckily have no place in the mirrorless present and much less so in the future.

Time will tell. We've all seen the unsuccessful mirrorless present – basically flat sales for a few years now. I suspect if there is to be a successful mirrorless future, that future starts with a Canon/Nikon Rebel/Dxxxx-type body with an EVF and no mirror.

Yes, time will tell.....

I remember when the QuickTake 100 came out...... And people laughed at it because the pictures were garbage.... And my E300 that was useless at ISO 400..... And look where we are now.....

Time will tell. The first efforts at mirrorless were a joke, but there are some darn nice ones out there now. They are only getting better.......

 

[eosuser1234]

-Full Frame, with incamera APS-C crop mode.
-new lenses for EF-M developed for Full frame, but useable on APS-C crop M series cameras, just like how your EF lenses work on EF-M.
-top in class AF speed, lots of AF points.
-New Sensor with 4k as co-developed for 5dm4.
-Faster development of any camera ever due to more staff, and time devoted to project (when Maeda-san talks, stuff gets done.)
-$2099 MSRP.

All this to silence the haters.

 

[tcmatthews]

Yada yada yada ... That stupid concept was already "tested" extensively by Sony and it's called SLT. It failed miserably in the market for good reason and cost Sony a ton of money and goodwill from a lot of stranded A-mount customers.

Did it fail because of the concept...or the nameplate?

DSLR-shaped and sized cameras luckily have no place in the mirrorless present and much less so in the future.

Time will tell. We've all seen the unsuccessful mirrorless present – basically flat sales for a few years now. I suspect if there is to be a successful mirrorless future, that future starts with a Canon/Nikon Rebel/Dxxxx-type body with an EVF and no mirror.

Yes, time will tell.....

I remember when the QuickTake 100 came out...... And people laughed at it because the pictures were garbage.... And my E300 that was useless at ISO 400..... And look where we are now.....

Time will tell. The first efforts at mirrorless were a joke, but there are some darn nice ones out there now. They are only getting better.......

+1

The first time I saw the Sony Nex cameras in the store I laughed. They were cheaply made. Focused worst than some competing point and shoot cameras. The 16mm pancake was complete over priced garbage with cheap adapters to make a fish eye. They were a joke and almost completely disappeared from the local Best Buy until the Nex5n came out. The same thing for Olympus Pen cameras and Olympus almost went completely out of business. Last year was the first time in 5 years there has been a m43 in that Best Buy.

Olympus OMD-Em cameras and Sony E-mount cameras are back in the local Best Buy this time it is not because they are the next big thing. It is because they actually sell a few. There is also a small Fujifilm display. That said there is way more DSLR gear than mirrorless.

But the mirrorless keep improving. And before you start laughing about Best Buy if I wanted a 100-400L II and 5Ds r tomorrow they have it.

 

[gman-th]

I think is may be EOS M with multi layer sensor.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

A WHITE EOS-M!!! YES! SCORE! CHA-CHING... JACKPOT!

I'M SO EXCITED!

Lol.

 

[crashpc]

I believe and hope that they have to pull something awesome out. Sony,Pentax,Olympus, about everybody adds some awesome sensor function leaping ole poor Canon. Cash waiting, and I won't buy inferior stuff.

 

[infared]

I really like the Fuji X series and, with the X-Pro2 coming in at 24MP, it may be when I finally add a mirrorless body and lens to my camera equipment. I'll wait for someone to get a full review out with information on the DR of the new Fuji sensor before I decide. That should give Canon to make this rumor happen if it is going to. I can't imagine it will actually be something I'll get excited about. The last few times Canon has promised great things in teaser ads, they have turned out to be duds in terms of what I'm looking for.

Yeah...I REALLY love my Olympus cameras when I want to go light...It's a really complete small system and it just keeps getting better and better. They are such a pleasure to use that it makes photography really, really fun! There is a joy and fluidity there. It does not replace my 5DIII Kit, no doubt.., but it compliments it nicely. Fuji is a different take on mirrorless, and a good one as well from what I have read. I am not expecting any changes in my choices with whatever Canon brings to the mirrorless table... I have a huge commitment in my mirrorless kit...it won't be changing by one announcement from a company that has shown no real commitment to a great segment of photography. ...but I look forward to hearing what's up.

I just traded in my Nex6 and EOS-M I came to the conclusion that for a compact system APS-c does not have any real size advantage. I have been playing with a used OMD-EM5. And came to the conclusion that if you want a complete compact travel system it is really hard to beat m43 and Olympus. Now I am taking it to work instead of the EOM-M as a daily use camera.

I think I am more likely to buy a PEN-F than anything Canon announces.

Now you're talkin!!! I can't wait to get my hands on that camera!

 

[PureClassA]

My two cents, for what it's worth:

I would get excited with a full frame MILC from Canon that had a native EF mount. Yeah it would have to be a bit bigger to support the flange distance, but it could still be lighter than a DSLR. The 6D sensor would be a fabulous start. Toss in really nice 1080p video capabilities and it would be a camera well recived by a wide audience. I wouldnt mind seeing a classical design either like a leica M9. I'd buy it in a heartbeat as a killer travel rig.

 

[PureClassA]

Time will tell. We've all seen the unsuccessful mirrorless present – basically flat sales for a few years now. I suspect if there is to be a successful mirrorless future, that future starts with a Canon/Nikon Rebel/Dxxxx-type body with an EVF and no mirror.

And we are in agreement yet again. As unpopular with some as this may be, if MILC sales are going to move off the mark they've stagnated at, it's going to be Canon that pops the needle.