Canon Working on Full Frame Fixed Lens Camera? [CR1]

[rrcphoto]

that makes alot more sense than the mirrorless theories about full frame.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that.

the EF mount resources are as busy as usual with canon's existing DSLR's and EF mount lenses.

the powershot group though is doing far far less business and far less cameras, there's resources to be used there.

the powershot P&S sales are slumping harder than DSLR's.

from the camera geek perspective you probably disagree, from the canon perspective this makes alot more sense, especially if they can undercut sony.

 

[jebrady03]

If it comes to fruition, I'd imagine they'd go with a different optical formula than the EF 35mm f/2 IS USM. It's a fantastic lens, and small (which is appropriate) but I would think they'd want even better performance if they're going to play in that price range.

I think you missed a letter. The rumor mentions a 35mm f/2L IS lens.

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! OOPS!

 

[privatebydesign]

I'd be very interested in this type of camera. I shoot a lot with the 35 IS prime on a 1 series and would happily make a fixed lens 35 ff camera a replacement for a second 1 series if the focus, mp, etc etc met my needs.

I keep looking at Fuji X100S/T's but just can't get myself to give up that APS stop of iso/dof.

The difference is that one stop of ISO/DOF costs you another $2k...

In the SLR world, there is much less of a gap from APS-C to FF for price (if you FF lenses already). Sony and Leica may not sell many fixed lens FF rigs like the Q and RX1R II, but those that do sell remain at a high asking price due to very little competition.

- A

So what?

The stop between f4 and f2.8 cost me over $3,000 when I got my 300 f2.8 IS, and currently costs new buyers over $4,500.

At my camera club I am a 'mentoring coordinator', newer photographers regularly ask me why some pictures look 'better' than theirs when they were shot at the same event. Invariably they have a crop or m4/3 camera and the image they are comparing to was shot with a ff, the only difference is that stop or so, they don't know what the technical difference is but they can see it, and want it.

Not for one second suggesting that crop cameras can't take a good picture, of course they can, or that I can tell the difference between a crop camera image and a ff one most of the time, we should all know by now it is easy to make them literally identical. But sometimes (and often enough in my case) that difference is worth the money.

If you can't control the light then dof control is the next most powerful characteristic that enables you to make the image you see in your mind. Below is an example of what I am talking about, 35 f2 IS @ f2 with a ff camera, you can't do that dof control even with the 35 f1.4 at 1.4 on a crop camera.

 

[PureClassA]

Well, guess I'm glad it's only a CR1. I can't see how Canon wouldn't fare better with an MILC as its first foray into FF Mirrorless than fixed lens. I can't imagine the market for the Leica or RXRII is all that bigat $3000. I suppose it's not an easy thing to make an MILC compact enough yet still serve to work with existing EF glass, but I'm sure they can find a way.

 

[cellomaster27]

Also, does anyone give a damn that this is made by Canon if you can't put your EF lenses on it?

I suppose the menu/controls/ergonomics will be more consistent, but other than that, do you care?

- A

Bingo. I see that this rivals some of the ML cameras on the market.. but it can't touch the sonys just based on the fixed lens. Meh, if this really turns up, not terribly disappointed (I want to see sensor tech!!), but definitely not on my list to get. I'm sure canon can work up an adapter for EF lenses like the metabones for the sonys.

 

[gsealy]

I'd be very interested in this type of camera. I shoot a lot with the 35 IS prime on a 1 series and would happily make a fixed lens 35 ff camera a replacement for a second 1 series if the focus, mp, etc etc met my needs.

I keep looking at Fuji X100S/T's but just can't get myself to give up that APS stop of iso/dof.

Exact same thing here. I was totally thinking about the X100s, but I really am not a fan of spending over a grand on a camera unless it's full frame or has the features of the 7D mark II.

35mm primes are like the backbone of photojournalism, so I really couldn't complain about having a sharp full frame camera with a good, image stabilized lens. You could do almost anything with that, it'd be an incredible travel camera, and I'm sure the resolution would be good enough to crop into for at least 70mm or 100mm if you really needed it.

I just hope the control scheme is good! I need my aperture and shutter wheels.

I have a Fuji X100T and it is simply a great camera. It cost me $1300 and I bought it the first month it came out. I purchased the camera for doing street photography and it serves that purpose really well. It has a 23mm f2 lens, but it's sweet spot is 3.2mm to 11mm. Some people shoot f2 all the time, and it does a great job of focusing, so that is not an issue. But I found that the lens is sharpest around 4.0 so I keep it there most of the time. The bottom line is that the camera can get those fleeting street shots very well and without drawing a lot of attention.

That all said, I can't see spending $3K on a camera with a fixed lens even if it is FF. I thought the X100T was a little pricey even at $1300. But I am happy with the purchase. Wow, I would spend $3K on something else, like a nice Zeiss lens.

 

[rrcphoto]

Also, does anyone give a damn that this is made by Canon if you can't put your EF lenses on it?

I suppose the menu/controls/ergonomics will be more consistent, but other than that, do you care?

- A

Bingo. I see that this rivals some of the ML cameras on the market.. but it can't touch the sonys just based on the fixed lens. Meh, if this really turns up, not terribly disappointed (I want to see sensor tech!!), but definitely not on my list to get. I'm sure canon can work up an adapter for EF lenses like the metabones for the sonys.

so without knowing specs,etc .. you know that sony's 35mm lens would be better than canon's?

 

[guidoz]

35mm is my favourite focal lens, and I've been often tempted to get the fuji x100t
If canon can make something similar (or better) with the plus of a FF sensor, then they can get my money. I could use it as an "always with me" little camera, or as a "second body" (I have a 5D mark III and, among other lenses, a 35mm.. I could just sell my 35mm and get this one)

That said, I seriously doubt Canon will really make it as good as the fuji... (although it technically could)

 

[shutterlag]

This would be a very odd decision on Canon's part IMO. Just about every photog that wants a camera like this, and that has the cash, already owns an RX1RII.

 

[quod]

I'd be very interested in this type of camera. I shoot a lot with the 35 IS prime on a 1 series and would happily make a fixed lens 35 ff camera a replacement for a second 1 series if the focus, mp, etc etc met my needs.

I keep looking at Fuji X100S/T's but just can't get myself to give up that APS stop of iso/dof.

Exact same thing here. I was totally thinking about the X100s, but I really am not a fan of spending over a grand on a camera unless it's full frame or has the features of the 7D mark II.

I have the X100S. As I am drafting this, Lens Authority is currently selling two used copies of the X100S for $630/each, which is far from $1K+. For what it is worth, it will shoot clean up to 3200 ISO (6400 is usable), with a base ISO of 200. I think the IQ is equivalent to my 5D3, with more DR latitude. In Iceland, I did aurora photography with the Fuji and my 5D3. The Fuji shots were nearly identical in IQ to my 5D3 shots using the Zeiss 25mm f/2 ZE at f/2.8 (which, btw, is an amazing lens). Another plus for the Fuji are converter lenses that will convert the 35mm to 28mm and 50mm. You can get near mint converter lenses on ebay for $200-250/each. Another plus is that the Fuji has a leaf shutter lens.

 

[SwampYankee]

Ah....just a year too late Canon. I bought a Fuji X100S a little over a year ago. It was so good I bought a Fuji XT-1 and a bunch of fast primes. Sold all of my Canon stuff because Canons mirrorless offering were not compelling. Canon lost a 35 year customer because they were years behind. too late now

 

[Dylan777]

Canon seems to be a step behind in mirrorless world. Rumors have been flying around about Fuji and Sony might introduce medium format.

For $3000 fixed cam I expect:
1. snappy AF
2. decent tracking
3. built-in EVF(pop-up is good choice )
4. swivel screen

I enjoy carry my a7r II FF + FE35f2.8 very much. AF tracking is just amazing for mirrorless.

A7r II + FE35f2.8. AF tracking - subject approachs the cam. I have about 10-15shots, no problem with AF tracking: https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-7pJ75qZ/A


A7r II + FE35f2.8 shot with swivel screen, ground level:
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-DBdhGSX/A
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-h7LmKrh/A
https://dylannguyen.smugmug.com/Events/Share-with-Public/n-2pr3NV/i-Qfrpknf/A

Canon needs to work really hard in mirrorless to bring me back.

 

[zim]

CR1 but that image posted by CR guy on the January 23, 2016 and used again here turns out to be fairly accurate, hiding in plain sight, not for the first time ?

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

Also, does anyone give a damn that this is made by Canon if you can't put your EF lenses on it?

I suppose the menu/controls/ergonomics will be more consistent, but other than that, do you care?

- A

You obviously haven't seen the new sensor from Canon...

 

[Larsskv]

Re: Canon Working on Full Frame Fixed Lens Camera? [CR1

Ah....just a year too late Canon. I bought a Fuji X100S a little over a year ago. It was so good I bought a Fuji XT-1 and a bunch of fast primes. Sold all of my Canon stuff because Canons mirrorless offering were not compelling. Canon lost a 35 year customer because they were years behind. too late now

There has been some praises for the Fuji x100s/t in this thread. I had the x100s for 18 months. I loved the rangefinder style and shooting experience. It was incredibly fun to use, even though the focus should be faster for street shooting. The sensor was very good as well, and not to far behind the 6D in terms of noise performance.

The lens however, which I expected a lot from after praises in various reviews, was very disappointing to me. The EF-M 22 f/2 on my EOS-M was much, much!!! sharper and clearer than the X100S. After comparing them, I sold the X100S. That said, the pictures from the Fuji looks sharp enough on an iPad, untill zooming in.

I would consider a Fuji, such as the X100 again, if the optics could compete with those of the EOS-M system.

 

[Phenix205]

Apparently out of brain power. Come on, bring on something truly innovative. :

 

[jeffa4444]

Never seen the point of a fixed lens full frame camera the lens regardless of how good it is will be its limiting factor I can think of much better ways of spending $ 3,000. Now if its a mirrorless camera however Im interested.

 

[eml58]

I'd be very interested in this type of camera. I shoot a lot with the 35 IS prime on a 1 series and would happily make a fixed lens 35 ff camera a replacement for a second 1 series if the focus, mp, etc etc met my needs.

I keep looking at Fuji X100S/T's but just can't get myself to give up that APS stop of iso/dof.

I recently purchased the Sony RX1R II, very happy with it as well.

I've had 2 M cameras & been disappointed with both, off the Bat I've been quite impressed with the RX1R II, it's an expensive little beast though & with Sony's track record there will likely be a Version III in a month or two, so far though, I like it.

 

[CaptureWhatYouSee]

Never seen the point of a fixed lens full frame camera the lens regardless of how good it is will be its limiting factor I can think of much better ways of spending $ 3,000. Now if its a mirrorless camera however Im interested.

High quality high ISO shots from something that fits in your jacket pocket. That's why I bought the RX1.

There could be cost advantages in manufacturing a body that is used with a fixed lens and then with a slight modification, can take M-series lenses.

 

[Luds34]

Re: Canon Working on Full Frame Fixed Lens Camera? [CR1

Ah....just a year too late Canon. I bought a Fuji X100S a little over a year ago. It was so good I bought a Fuji XT-1 and a bunch of fast primes. Sold all of my Canon stuff because Canons mirrorless offering were not compelling. Canon lost a 35 year customer because they were years behind. too late now

There has been some praises for the Fuji x100s/t in this thread. I had the x100s for 18 months. I loved the rangefinder style and shooting experience. It was incredibly fun to use, even though the focus should be faster for street shooting. The sensor was very good as well, and not to far behind the 6D in terms of noise performance.

The lens however, which I expected a lot from after praises in various reviews, was very disappointing to me. The EF-M 22 f/2 on my EOS-M was much, much!!! sharper and clearer than the X100S. After comparing them, I sold the X100S. That said, the pictures from the Fuji looks sharp enough on an iPad, untill zooming in.

I would consider a Fuji, such as the X100 again, if the optics could compete with those of the EOS-M system.

I considered An X100S and then T for a quite a while. Especially since the internet just raved about that camera, the leaf shutter, built in ND filter, etc. I love the 35mm focal length so it seemed like a match made in heaven. But like many others in this thread I haven't been able to justify spending that kind of money on a fixed lens camera.

However, I do find it interesting how unhappy you were with the lens. Did you have a bad copy or do you believe the fixed lens is really that weak? The new XF lenses from Fuji are generally held in very high regard optically. My limited experience/exposure with them has left me quite impressed.