Concept Cinema DSLR Official

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<p><strong>Coming Attractions: New Canon Digital SLR Camera Under Development

</strong>HOLLYWOOD, California, November 3, 2011/TOKYO, November 4, 2011 – Canon Inc. today announced that the company is developing a new-concept EOS-series digital single-lens reflex (SLR) camera. Incorporating an enhanced version of the video-capture capability offered in the current EOS-series lineup, the new camera will be ideally suited for cinematographic and other digital high-resolution production applications. The model will be equipped with a 35 mm full-frame CMOS sensor and, enabling the recording of 4K video (at a frame rate of 24P, with Motion-JPEG compression), will make possible the type of exceptional image quality and sublime imaging expression to be expected from the next generation of “EOS Movies.”</p>
<p>The announcement coincides with the launch of the Cinema EOS System, marking Canon’s full-fledged entry into the digital high-resolution production industry. The new professional digital cinematography system spans the lens, digital cinema camera and digital SLR camera product categories.</p>
<p>Further details regarding the new EOS digital SLR camera currently under development, including the product name, specifications and scheduled launch date, have yet to be decided.</p>
<p><strong>EOS Movie: A New Industry Standard

</strong>Movie recording has been a standard feature in all newly introduced Canon EOS-series digital SLR cameras since the launch of the EOS 5D Mark II in November 2008. Coupled with the diverse array of lenses in Canon’s current interchangeable EF lens lineup, this feature has heralded rich visual expressive possibilities, delivering such characteristics as beautiful image blur and low noise while also garnering kudos for the mobility and maneuverability made possible through the cameras’ compact and lightweight body designs.</p>
<p>The impressive images created by the combination of Canon EOS digital SLR cameras and EF lenses, known as “EOS Movies,” have already earned their screen credentials on the sets of multiple productions, from television commercials and artist promotion videos to episodic dramas and even major motion pictures.</p>
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[Justin]

It just keeps getting more interesting. Wish it were a small format body though, sans grip. I don't understand why the sensor would only record the size of an APS-H for video in 4k though.

 

[AvTvM]

probably because the new "cine"-Lenses [especially 30-300, 14.5-60] will only cover a Super 35 = roughly APS-H image circle.

 

[coltsfreak18]

probably because the new "cine"-Lenses [especially 30-300, 14.5-60] will only cover a Super 35 = roughly APS-H image circle.

Each lens supports 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels) resolution, which delivers a pixel count four times that of Full HD (1920 x 1080 pixels), and offers compatibility with industry-standard Super 35 mm-equivalent cameras as well as APS-C cameras.*1 (Not compatible with 35mm full-frame or APS-H camera sensors.).

It seems as if the zooms are not compatible with either full frame or APS-H, but are compatible with APS-C and Super35.
The primes, however, are compatible with everything full frame and below. They still seem to be great lenses for APS-C cameras, like the 7d2.

 

[dr croubie]

Good, a cinema camera that's as unwieldy as a 1D to hold and film with, lots of 3rd-party rig-makers are going to be happy.

Now that all that video silliness is out of the way can we please have a nice, simple, cheap FF camera without raw video, with superb AF, without 10fps, for those of us who actually like Photography?
Also, a 1D4 replacement with 10fps, superb AF, and higher pixel density than the 1D4 for the wildlifers of us who are getting ignored right now? (even a 7D2 with 18MP in APS-C if it had better AF, better sealing, more durability, and the IQ of the 1D4 would be nice.)

 

[elusive1]

This is great news. I just hope it comes out soon. As for DSLRs being unwieldy vs traditional video cameras, I don't think that's true at all. I've owned and used a number of cine and video cameras over the years, and the DSLR form factor is so great for handheld stuff compared to the traditional video cameras.

Philip Bloom mentioned that he does not prefer the form factor of the new-ish Sony FS100 or the Panasonic AF 101 video cams because you need a rig for it and it's very difficult to shoot handheld.

Personally, I really prefer the DSLR form factor for video. It's easy to hold, stealthy and just more fun to shoot with.

I wonder how much it's going to cost? Probably really expensive, but I'd gladly pay for something like a DSLR / video hybrid that works well.

 

[Son of Daguerre]

To those who thought it was an EOS-1D X (myself among their number), I don't think they're wrong.

Remember Canon's "special-edition" (and über-expensive) studio version of the EOS 7D? I think this is the same idea - a modified version of the EOS-1D X (although it will probably be a greater departure from the mainstream EOS-1D X than the Studio Version EOS 7D was to the standard EOS 7D, I think it will be basically the same concept - a video-oriented DSLR based in form and function on the EOS-1D X).

 

[Justin]

I wonder how much this new camera will eat into the profits of the 20,000 rig. We probably won't see it till around the same July time frame as the C primes.

 

[Zuuyi]

Good, a cinema camera that's as unwieldy as a 1D to hold and film with, lots of 3rd-party rig-makers are going to be happy.

Now that all that video silliness is out of the way can we please have a nice, simple, cheap FF camera without raw video, with superb AF, without 10fps, for those of us who actually like Photography?
Also, a 1D4 replacement with 10fps, superb AF, and higher pixel density than the 1D4 for the wildlifers of us who are getting ignored right now? (even a 7D2 with 18MP in APS-C if it had better AF, better sealing, more durability, and the IQ of the 1D4 would be nice.)

I like video, BUT.

I want a FF Camera meant for Still Photography. I don't need more than 4fps; I want 30MP but 18MP is fine. I just want a new 5D. Not for me to buy; but so that the 5D2 get's put back on CLP and that I can get it for $1600 or less.

 

[Loswr]

Good, a cinema camera that's as unwieldy as a 1D to hold and film with, lots of 3rd-party rig-makers are going to be happy.

Now that all that video silliness is out of the way can we please have a nice, simple, cheap FF camera without raw video, with superb AF, without 10fps, for those of us who actually like Photography?
Also, a 1D4 replacement with 10fps, superb AF, and higher pixel density than the 1D4 for the wildlifers of us who are getting ignored right now? (even a 7D2 with 18MP in APS-C if it had better AF, better sealing, more durability, and the IQ of the 1D4 would be nice.)

Sorry, but in a word, "no."

 

[sandro]

after 3y they finally admitted to do line skipping

 

[marekjoz]

"(...) new-concept EOS-series digital single-lens reflex (SLR) camera". It means for me, that it's not going to be 5mdk3. The are to split still and video. 5dmk3 in terms of still will probably be focused on still photography (36MP and so on) with limited video capabilities. New C line (and new FF video camera, yet under development) will be focused on video, with limited photography capabilities.

As far as this forum was for assumptions and rumors, I could speculate, that the EOS hierarchy could look like this in the future

STILL photography line
5d3 - middle market, 1d(whatever new, not mentioned yet) - top model for studio
7d2 - middle market, 1dx - top model for sports, nature
the rest

VIDEO Line
C300 - high end (as far)
EOS "C" FF (under development) - middle market
EOS "C" super 35 (not mentioned) - low market

 

[Meh]

I don't understand why the sensor would only record the size of an APS-H for video in 4k though.

Probably because the centre of the sensor (an area approximately APS-H size) is the exact number of pixels for 4K video recording without doing any line skipping or pixel binning. They said approx. 80% so 4000/0.8=5000 and using 3:2 ratio that gives a 16.7MP FF sensor. They said "approximately" so that could mean it's the 1DX sensor (18MP).

 

[mkln]

$6800 for every single one of the primes?
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

and I thought I could consider them for still photography use.
haha.

 

[Zuuyi]

So the Scarlet X comes out Nov 17 - PL Mount & Dec 1 - EF Mount. S35 Sensor. 4k Video 24/25fps 2k video 50/60fps 1k video 120fps. And $14,000 for a full kit. $9750 for just the body. So within hours the C300 has become overpriced old technology.

They knew this would happen but I guess they forgot James Jannard was that crazy. I will buy a Scarlet if he throws in his 1200mm/5.6L.

Edit: 12fps Stills also.

 

[Policar]

Is this the exact same design, form-wise, as the 1DX? If so, it's probably almost the same camera but with upgraded firmware and a considerably higher price... APS-H is also an annoying crop factor for video. Super35 is much closer to APS-C and there are fast wide zooms for crop bodies.

I want the APS-C cinema camera!

To those fawning after the Red...sure, it looks nice, but the poor color rendering, impossible proprietary workflow, and constantly-in-need-of-updates software make the camera a nightmare, imo, to use. Canon's footage has nicer skin tones than I've ever seen out of a Red. There's a reason so much tv is shot with the Alexa, rather than the red, and why dSLRs are used on ads--1080p with nice and standardized colors out of camera is much better for post. Red is cool, but what you get in terms of extra tech you pay for in having to figure out how to use it efficiently. Canon's cine camera does seem overpriced for what you get, though--in that no man's land the AF100 and F3 already inhabit except even more expensive...

 

[adamfilip]

I wonder how much this new camera will eat into the profits of the 20,000 rig. We probably won't see it till around the same July time frame as the C primes.

Considering the zooms are $47k each.. im not sure it matters

 

[Zuuyi]

I'm not touching a Red camera. But it's just really sad that you can get a Red camera with possibly better specs for 6k less; and still use EF lenses.

It will also be available before the Canon; so Canon needs to hurry up and release the C DSLR and take back some of the buzz.

I'm getting a 5d2 (once the 5d3 comes) or a 7d2 when it comes out. So this is just something for me to look at while I'm waiting.

 

[theuserjohnny]

"(...) new-concept EOS-series digital single-lens reflex (SLR) camera". It means for me, that it's not going to be 5mdk3. The are to split still and video. 5dmk3 in terms of still will probably be focused on still photography (36MP and so on) with limited video capabilities. New C line (and new FF video camera, yet under development) will be focused on video, with limited photography capabilities.

As far as this forum was for assumptions and rumors, I could speculate, that the EOS hierarchy could look like this in the future

STILL photography line
5d3 - middle market, 1d(whatever new, not mentioned yet) - top model for studio
7d2 - middle market, 1dx - top model for sports, nature
the rest

VIDEO Line
C300 - high end (as far)
EOS "C" FF (under development) - middle market
EOS "C" super 35 (not mentioned) - low market

Pretty much agree with this. This new line of video DSLRs just means the 5D and 7D will go back to being stills camera (with the current limited video features) and this new line will have the video features that 5D/7D shooters have been looking for (but with limited stills features or if anything all the still features).

The only downfall is that I think this will range in the low 5k-7k. I would be very surprised if its in the 2k-3k.

 

[dr croubie]

To be honest, i'd never even heard of RED before i started to read these and other forums a while back, i'm a photographer not a cinematographer.

But I am, however, an Electronic Engineer. And i've seen it time and again, in competitors as well as my own products, when the salesmen push the dates forward to get a product out earlier, (despite our protests that it's not ready), that in the end a half-finished product comes out and does the brand name more harm than good (and especially made more work for me as the service engineer at my last job).

Without knowing anything about RED or their products or how they operate, I'm envisaging an unfortunate parallel. After canon announced the Nov3 date, then RED announced their Nov3 date for a few hours later. Then on Nov3, canon announced January next year, now Red announce December or whatever.
I do hope for their sake that they're not rushing out a not-quite-complete product just to one-up on canon's timings...