Confirmation of Upcoming Product Announcements

[Loswr]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

Canon is releasing a camera people will actually buy, and not just talk about.

some people will buy. I will not buy 5d4. 5D3 is the last mirrorslapper i ever bought. Simple as that.

canon has a 49% marketshare for the first 6 months of 2015. I doubt they care.

+1

But still, he persists in believing he understands the market better than Canon. It would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

 

[douglaurent]

5D4: no in body stabilzation, no swivel screen, no 4k 60fps, no filming through viewfinder, no focus peaking, no C-Log, no crop modes, no lowlight king, no 50mp, no 15fps, no flexible button assignment etc etc: the camera is already outperformed by several older Canon and Sony cameras and offers the workflow of app. 2008, but will be sold until 2020. Disappointing!!! I will buy it for nostalgic reasons only and as collectors item. Canon wake up or do you really want to wait until Sony is 3 steps ahead?

16-35/2.8III: not having Image stabilization, it better outperforms the Tamron 15-30/2.8 VC optically by a wide margin, especially as Canon will charge 2.5x the price. If it's not tack sharp in the corners at 2.8, this lens will be a big miss.

 

[rrcphoto]

5D4: no in body stabilzation, no swivel screen, no 4k 60fps, no filming through viewfinder, no focus peaking, no C-Log, no crop modes, no lowlight king, no 50mp, no 15fps, no flexible button assignment etc etc: the camera is already outperformed by several older Canon and Sony cameras and offers the workflow of app. 2008, but will be sold until 2020. Disappointing!!! I will buy it for nostalgic reasons only and as collectors item. Canon wake up or do you really want to wait until Sony is 3 steps ahead?

16-35/2.8III: not having Image stabilization, it better outperforms the Tamron 15-30/2.8 VC optically by a wide margin, especially as Canon will charge 2.5x the price. If it's not tack sharp in the corners at 2.8, this lens will be a big miss.

Not sure if sarcastic .. or whether or not this is another user that slipped into the AvTvM Universe™

 

[ahsanford]

mirror SLAP, SLAP, SLAP.
Nothing mirrorless, not even a S___ty EOS M4.
Not surprised. Stupid Canon.

Canon is releasing a camera people will actually buy, and not just talk about.

CR Rumors guy, I'm shocked! Neutrality lost!

I feel like a SCOTUS appointee just gave a noogie to the President during state of the union.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

What is the hold up on the 50mm 1.4 replacement?
23 years to design and build a replacement!
Come on canon.....

+500

- A

 

[ahsanford]

16-35/2.8III: not having Image stabilization, it better outperforms the Tamron 15-30/2.8 VC optically by a wide margin, especially as Canon will charge 2.5x the price. If it's not tack sharp in the corners at 2.8, this lens will be a big miss.

That lens will comfortably outsell the Tamron by a factor of 10. It's not just about IS vs. no IS, or sharpness per dollar.

It is a first-choice lens for sports / reportage / event people.

It has first party AF routines that have been battle-tested over numerous generations. It will hit more, it will hit faster, etc.

It takes filters. This is great for a lot of reasons: ND in bright sun with a flash, CPL if you need it, UV/clear if you are shooting out in the rain, standard Lee 4x6 holder setup, etc.

It might even have the BR gunk in it, who knows?

No knock on the Tamron, but I see this 16-35L III selling like gangbusters unless Canon asks for 24-70 f/2.8L II at launch kind of money for it. Even then, I still see it moving a lot of units.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

16-35/2.8III: not having Image stabilization, it better outperforms the Tamron 15-30/2.8 VC optically by a wide margin, especially as Canon will charge 2.5x the price. If it's not tack sharp in the corners at 2.8, this lens will be a big miss.

That lens will comfortably outsell the Tamron by a factor of 10. It's not just about IS vs. no IS, or sharpness per dollar.

It is a first-choice lens for sports / reportage / event people.

It has first party AF routines that have been battle-tested over numerous generations. It will hit more, it will hit faster, etc.

It takes filters. This is great for a lot of reasons: ND in bright sun with a flash, CPL if you need it, UV/clear if you are shooting out in the rain, standard Lee 4x6 holder setup, etc.

It might even have the BR gunk in it, who knows?

No knock on the Tamron, but I see this 16-35L III selling like gangbusters unless Canon asks for 24-70 f/2.8L II at launch kind of money for it. Even then, I still see it moving a lot of units.

- A

the original 16-35mm 2.8L was 230,000 yen or 2300 USD in today's exchange.

 

[ahsanford]

5D4: no in body stabilzation, no swivel screen, no 4k 60fps, no filming through viewfinder, no focus peaking, no C-Log, no crop modes, no lowlight king, no 50mp, no 15fps, no flexible button assignment etc etc: the camera is already outperformed by several older Canon and Sony cameras and offers the workflow of app. 2008, but will be sold until 2020. Disappointing!!! I will buy it for nostalgic reasons only and as collectors item. Canon wake up or do you really want to wait until Sony is 3 steps ahead?

16-35/2.8III: not having Image stabilization, it better outperforms the Tamron 15-30/2.8 VC optically by a wide margin, especially as Canon will charge 2.5x the price. If it's not tack sharp in the corners at 2.8, this lens will be a big miss.

Not sure if sarcastic .. or whether or not this is another user that slipped into the AvTvM Universe™

In theory, all of the features he spoke to are in one camera or another, but the presumption that the 5D4 has to simultaneously offer all of those is patently bonkers.

By the way, his wish list looks roughly like a future spec sheet for the A7R III, one would guess. Because specs. Because of course. :

- A

 

[mikekx102]

Awesome, so I'm going to buy the 5D Mark IV body only upon release. My question now is how to go about it. I've never bought a camera upon release so I'm not sure if its worth waiting a few months after availability - how much would you expect to save? Or is there a benefit to pre-ordering? I've been waiting for about a year now so I don't mind an extra few months

 

[fallsong]

Re:

New 5D4 specs out.

http://digicame-info.com/

- effective 30.4MP CMOS sensor
- dual pixel AF CMOS
- ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file
- AF 61 points
- 150,000-pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
- anti-flicker
- continuous shooting 7 frames / sec
- ISO100-102400 (extended sensitivity)
- touch panel
- dust and water specification
- video 30Fps 4K
- can cut out the JPEG still image of 8MP from 4K video
- for the slow motion 120fps of HD video
- time-lapse movie
- GPS built-in
- Wi-Fi, NFC
- media SD / SDHC / SDXC and CompactFlash TypeII
- USB3.0 terminal, HDMI terminal
- size X 116.4Mm X 150.7Mm 75.9Mm
- weight 890g

 

[unfocused]

Awesome, so I'm going to buy the 5D Mark IV body only upon release. My question now is how to go about it. I've never bought a camera upon release so I'm not sure if its worth waiting a few months after availability - how much would you expect to save? Or is there a benefit to pre-ordering? I've been waiting for about a year now so I don't mind an extra few months

The first discount is likely to be a Canon Price Watch street price - two to three months after release. Adorama and B&H may offer bundle deals packaged with the new 24-105, a printer and possibly some other accessory like a canon Speedlight. Unlikely to see significant discounts for at least six months. Takes about a year to 18 months for bodies to show up on Canon's refurbished site.

If you can't wait a year consider financing options. Best Buy and PayPal usually have zero interest for one year. Using someone else's money for a year can represent a significant savings that may help offset paying full price.

 

[davidj]

Here are specs: http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-11.html

Here are pictures: http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-10.html

 

[ahsanford]

Re:

...
- ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file

Something's clearly lost in translation with that. This would appear to be the killer app / 'first in a DSLR' feature that we've been hearing about. The rest doesn't seem to fit the bill for that claim.

Pulling a still from video is lovely, but we can do that today -- simplifying that and making it an in-camera move is not a market-moving innovation.

- A

 

[Sharlin]

Re:

- dust and water specification

Curious! It will be interesting to see what Canon actually say about this.

The 5D4 will have weather sealing, who would have guessed?!

- can cut out the JPEG still image of 8MP from 4K video

Is that a first for Canon DSLRs?

No.

 

[ahsanford]

Re:

New 5D4 specs out.

http://digicame-info.com/

- effective 30.4MP CMOS sensor
- dual pixel AF CMOS
- ever possible to no post-processing of the adjustment dual pixel RAW file
- AF 61 points
- 150,000-pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
- anti-flicker
- continuous shooting 7 frames / sec
- ISO100-102400 (extended sensitivity)
- touch panel
- dust and water specification
- video 30Fps 4K
- can cut out the JPEG still image of 8MP from 4K video
- for the slow motion 120fps of HD video
- time-lapse movie
- GPS built-in
- Wi-Fi, NFC
- media SD / SDHC / SDXC and CompactFlash TypeII
- USB3.0 terminal, HDMI terminal
- size X 116.4Mm X 150.7Mm 75.9Mm
- weight 890g

No backlit keys. Bummer.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Here are specs: http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-11.html

Here are pictures: http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-10.html

No 1DX2 bump near the hotshoe with the 5D4, but it has GPS and WiFi now. Hmmm... Is the top of this rig still metal?

- A

 

[sunnyVan]

I sincerely hope you're correct and that Canon will be generous enough to put DPAF in a 6dii. That'd be basically a full frame 80d. I'd keep my 5dmk3 and skip mk4. That'd give me much better value than paying $3400 for incremental update. Dual card, rugged body, decent frame rate. I get to retain these things in the 5dmk3. Then I get DPAF, articulating screen, and a new sensor with more DR in 6dii. Perfect.

I'm one of those people who upgraded from 6d to mk3. I upgraded for the extra AF points, not those extra features that are really nice but not a must to have. The 6D matches 5dmk2 in many ways. It's reasonable to expect a 6dmk2 to match 5dmk3 in many ways. And when a 6dmk2 is almost as good as a 5dmk3, it becomes very difficult to justify paying premium for extra features that regular joes don't need.

Back to my point. 6Dmk2, if it exists at all, will be very competent. 5dmk4 must beat it in some very important features.

Sorry, but you've ignored the elephant in the room - cost. The 5DII was launched at $2700, the 5DIII was launched at the significantly higher price of $3500. When the 5DIII launched, Canon continued (officially) selling the 5DII, which is not their normal practice when launching the next model in the line. They did that because the much higher price of the 5DIII left a gaping hole beneath it. Subsequently (about 6 months after the 5DIII), the 6D was launched and that was the direct 'replacement' of the 5DII, which was then discontinued.

So, yes – the 6D was similar to the 5DII, but the 5DIII was a major improvement over the 5DII (it got the 1-series AF, unprecedented for Canon). The 5DIV is stacking up to be a relatively incremental update to the 5DIII in most ways, so it's not likely that Canon will deliver major changes in the 6DII. The 6DII will improve on the 6D, but it won't leapfrog up to match the 5DIII.

I see DPAF as a reasonable differentiating factor.

It's reasonable, but I don't think Canon will do it. Frame rate, AF, build and sealing, dual card slots, 4K – that's ample differentiation.

 

[eosuser1234]

Releasing the 7Dm2 with an upgraded firmware to allow it to reach 4k makes a ton of sense. If anything, Canon needs a DSLR priced under $2,000 which can shoot 4k like the NIKON D500. Their profit margins are probably way better on an APS-C sized sensor then the next full frame 6Dm2.

Canon is looking more at what Nikon is doing and watching their sales of certain models, then they are looking at what we are saying on these message boards.

 

[-pekr-]

Here are pictures: http://digicame-info.com/2016/08/eos-5d-mark-iv-10.html

Man, I am not the best designer, but that 5D MK IV badge looks so aesthetically awful.

 

[ahsanford]

At least from the back, it looks a ton like a 5D3 other than:

1) Badge for name moved, apparently to move a port to the front of the camera (cord remote, ya?)
2) Joystick is now textured like the 1DX2
3) Added little button/switch near the joystick -- this is new
4) 5D3 printer icon is gone

Did I miss anything?

- A