EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

[Chaitanya]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Im still on the fence whether to wait for the 6D II or go all out on the 5D IV.

Would I be missing anything from the 6D II you guys think?

theres this wedding coming up that i want to take pictures of. im not the photographer, just want to grab pics.

Sold my 70D, still got my 24-70mm L 2.8 II lens waiting to be mounted on something.

the sole thing that attrcts me is the 6d II is like the full frame version fo the 80D lol

Well they are going to leave some of the more appealing features off the 5DMk4 for the 6DMk2. As some have said, dual card slots could be one. Lack of joystick control still (is that a biggie with a touchscreen?).

The video functionality will be reduced, but as the 5DMk4 can't even to 2160p50/60 it already sucks, and if video isn't your thing then it's not a consideration.

For me the biggest things are the DPAF, focus points and the Dynamic Range. Im probably going to be disappointed about dynamic range, and from what I have read about 5DMk4 images are still a little softer than others (but you can fix that in post).

So if you don't care much about video, dual CF slots or a joystick, you'll probably be okay with the 6DMk2

But unlike Nikon, Canon won't offer touch to drag AF(similar to D5500), so having touchscreen and not have it use to selecting af points through viewfinder is crippling without joystick.

 

[jeffa4444]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Over the last few weeks Ive been rotating between the 5DS, 5D MKIV (company camera) and the 6D. The 5DS is a great camera in normal or studio conditions, its certainly not a low light camera. At 50MP the files are huge and soon eat up hard drive space and are slower to process. At M Raw the files are similar to the 5D MKIV and quicker to work on. The image quality at 50MP with everything nailed is jaw dropping sharp and enables hard cropping easily.
The 5D MKIV main real world advantages are better in low light, and quick access to changing AF point selection (great in portrait, hand-held shooting). In every other respect its pretty much similar to the 5DS in the field. Is it worth the money over the 5DS? subjective and dependent on what you regularly shoot, for low light / low light action, yes, for portraits hand-held yes. Landscapes, no, studio use, no.

The 6D is in a different class?, much fewer AF points, no toggle switch, lower MP so less able to crop hard. However its lighter, simpler to use and still has great low light abilities and in most cases the 20.2MP sensor does just fine (except large grey or even blue areas where banding can appear).

If Canon improve the MP say around 24 / 28MP, improve the AF (they cannot get away with an 11 point system), improve the banding issue and improve the metering system then I will be one of the first to buy the 6D MKII, currently I'm struggling to justify the 5D MKIV (price) when I have the 5DS particularly if the 6D MKII is good in low light.

 

[wildwalker]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

If Canon improve the MP say around 24 / 28MP, improve the AF (they cannot get away with an 11 point system), improve the banding issue and improve the metering system then I will be one of the first to buy the 6D MKII, currently I'm struggling to justify the 5D MKIV (price) when I have the 5DS particularly if the 6D MKII is good in low light.

I feel the same, I currently use a 5DMk2 for most things, and Have a few xxD and xxxD bodies, as well as an M for travelling.

I won't pay the very high price for the 5DMk4, mainly because I don't think its worth double what I paid for my 5DMk2. The only reason I want to invest in a new body is the fact that my 5Kmk2 is 8 years old, and is starting to creak at the seams.

I don't really use video, messed with it a few times, but it's tricky to use on the 5DMk2, great for static scenes though, so the video component of the 6DMk2 isn't really of much interest, sure I'll play with it, but even with no video, I would still buy a new stills body.

I think low light will suffer a bit, when I compare the ISO performance of my 5DMk2 to say my 700D, the 5D is still at least one stop better for noise control (so ISO6400 on the 5D looks as good, if not better than ISO3200 on the 700D). Yes they are different range bodies, but one is considerably newer.

I think the 6DkMk2 will be better in terms of IQ and noise than the 5DMk2, after all I should be able to expect some improvements in 8 years?

I expect Dynamic range and sharpness to be disappointing.

 

[K]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.
Without this, there's no sale...
...I'm probably going to jump the fence and go Nikon for my next gen stuff.

Won't happen. You'd better get those Nikons...

-pw

I think you're right. But I can wait til July for the announcement. Never know...maybe Canon will wake up on this one finally. I'm hopeful because it really stands against market trends in that price range. To not offer it on a $2,000 camera body is basically absurd. Sony at least has the excuse that their bodies are tiny. We're talking a FF DSLR here. It is also said it is ever so slightly bigger - that could be a clue too. The increased height can help in the areas of fitting the tilt screen mechanism and making room for the 2nd SD card.


$3,300 for a D500 & D750 is a potent combo (sale price though). Not sure anyone can argue with that.

$3,350 for the 6D2 & 7D2.


The D500 is better than the 7D2. The 6D2 might end up having a few more MP than the D750, but probably less DR. I doubt it will equal or surpass it in AF since the D750 sports the 51 pt AF which is the same as the D4S and D810.

For the 6D2 to compete with the D750, it will have to basically become a 5D3 of sorts. That's not going to happen. A 5D3 with a new sensor is basically a 5D4 for $2k. Less the build quality of course.

Will be hard to justify a 5D4 (with its banding issues) against an upcoming D820 ...or the D750 & D500 combo for same money.

 

[james75]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.
Without this, there's no sale...
...I'm probably going to jump the fence and go Nikon for my next gen stuff.

Won't happen. You'd better get those Nikons...

-pw

I think you're right. But I can wait til July for the announcement. Never know...maybe Canon will wake up on this one finally. I'm hopeful because it really stands against market trends in that price range. To not offer it on a $2,000 camera body is basically absurd. Sony at least has the excuse that their bodies are tiny. We're talking a FF DSLR here. It is also said it is ever so slightly bigger - that could be a clue too. The increased height can help in the areas of fitting the tilt screen mechanism and making room for the 2nd SD card.


$3,300 for a D500 & D750 is a potent combo (sale price though). Not sure anyone can argue with that.

$3,350 for the 6D2 & 7D2.


The D500 is better than the 7D2. The 6D2 might end up having a few more MP than the D750, but probably less DR. I doubt it will equal or surpass it in AF since the D750 sports the 51 pt AF which is the same as the D4S and D810.

For the 6D2 to compete with the D750, it will have to basically become a 5D3 of sorts. That's not going to happen. A 5D3 with a new sensor is basically a 5D4 for $2k. Less the build quality of course.

Will be hard to justify a 5D4 (with its banding issues) against an upcoming D820 ...or the D750 & D500 combo for same money.

yeah, I was just looking at the Nikon D750 over the weekend. B&H are selling them for under 1,500. Seems like an awesome camera for that price. The only downside is I've never used Nikon, there would be a new learning curve and I'd have to sell all my canon stuff for a loss.
two card slots isn't a make or break feature for me.
I don't think the 6dii will surpass the d750 for features, but hopefully it will get close and that will be good enough for me.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Why? What is so compelling about two card slots? I never understand the two card slot argument, even the best Canon cameras slow down to the slower card slot, so what is the need for it? Data cards, from known brands, are so reliable and recovery software so advanced and effective I just don't see the need for two card slots, digital is certainly much more reliable than the infinite possibilities we had of ruining our film post exposure. Indeed I have run two card slot cameras for 8 years and only ever use a second card when I want to use a CamRanger and save small jpeg as well as RAW, doing that to two cards saves me the 'trouble' of deleting the jpegs from the RAW card, which really is no trouble at all. I never save two RAW files to the separate cards.

What are these shooting situations that can only be achieved with two card slot cameras?

 

[m8547]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

If I currently had no cameras, this would make an amazing 2 body kit. But I do.

Agreed! I have a SL1 and a 6D. It will be hard to justify upgrading either or both, but I'll see what the specs look like. I think the 6D would be easy to resell and will hold most of it's value, and I guess I hardly paid anything for the SL1 anyway. The SL1 was so cheap that I take a lot of risks with it, for example all the times I've used it in the rain. Now that I think of it, I've used all my cameras to the point of malfunctioning in the rain. My T3i got some water in it after hiking all day in continuous heavy mist, and the focus lights in my "weather sealed" 6D started going crazy after hiking in some very light rain. So far they have always recovered once they dry out.

 

[Don Haines]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Why? What is so compelling about two card slots? I never understand the two card slot argument, even the best Canon cameras slow down to the slower card slot, so what is the need for it? Data cards, from known brands, are so reliable and recovery software so advanced and effective I just don't see the need for two card slots, digital is certainly much more reliable than the infinite possibilities we had of ruining our film post exposure. Indeed I have run two card slot cameras for 8 years and only ever use a second card when I want to use a CamRanger and save small jpeg as well as RAW, doing that to two cards saves me the 'trouble' of deleting the jpegs from the RAW card, which really is no trouble at all. I never save two RAW files to the separate cards.

What are these shooting situations that can only be achieved with two card slot cameras?

I have had a memory card fail on me in the middle of a shoot and lost everything on the card.... and had my bacon saved by the second card..... but I do agree with you that it is a rare event and it does seem like the cards are getting to be more reliable.

Ultimately, as someone who is used to writing to two cards, yes, I would buy a single SD slot camera.

I wonder if there is a dual micro-SD slot adapter that fits a standard SD slot

 

[RandomRazr]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Im still on the fence whether to wait for the 6D II or go all out on the 5D IV.

Would I be missing anything from the 6D II you guys think?

theres this wedding coming up that i want to take pictures of. im not the photographer, just want to grab pics.

Sold my 70D, still got my 24-70mm L 2.8 II lens waiting to be mounted on something.

the sole thing that attrcts me is the 6d II is like the full frame version fo the 80D lol

Well they are going to leave some of the more appealing features off the 5DMk4 for the 6DMk2. As some have said, dual card slots could be one. Lack of joystick control still (is that a biggie with a touchscreen?).

The video functionality will be reduced, but as the 5DMk4 can't even to 2160p50/60 it already sucks, and if video isn't your thing then it's not a consideration.

For me the biggest things are the DPAF, focus points and the Dynamic Range. Im probably going to be disappointed about dynamic range, and from what I have read about 5DMk4 images are still a little softer than others (but you can fix that in post).

So if you don't care much about video, dual CF slots or a joystick, you'll probably be okay with the 6DMk2

yeah id say i would use the camera more for video then photo. either camera would be an upgrade . from the 70D and 80d i suppose?

 

[canonographer]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

If I currently had no cameras, this would make an amazing 2 body kit. But I do.

Wait, what? What about the potential specs listed here sounds amazing?

 

[Zv]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Clearly even 2 SD slots isn't enough. There should be at least 4. Better to be safe, you know in case there's a fire or a tornado or someone steals my camera. Oh wait ...

 

[rrcphoto]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Clearly even 2 SD slots isn't enough. There should be at least 4. Better to be safe, you know in case there's a fire or a tornado or someone steals my camera. Oh wait ...

optimally 5 and set up as RAID 5

 

[a4jp.com]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Hope they give this camera better/quicker memory card slots.

 

[slclick]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Will it come with the standard memory SD Card RAID backpack option? If not I'm switching to Vivitar.

 

[K]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Clearly even 2 SD slots isn't enough. There should be at least 4. Better to be safe, you know in case there's a fire or a tornado or someone steals my camera. Oh wait ...

You're right. Silly paranoia.

Hopefully Canon removes dual cards from the 5D4, 5DS/R, 7D2 and the 1DX2.

Waste of space and money. Idiots. Not sure what they were thinking on those cameras. Imposing that on the photographers against their will and against their judgment.


I told my wedding photographer, who cost me $5,000 to throw their extra card back in the bag as he looked like a paranoid dork loading into his camera. I'm perfectly confident that a $30 SD card would safely preserve my once in a lifetime event by being impervious to corruption. It did. It didn't fail. This proved to me, that cards never ever fail. It's just internet myths.


8)

 

[Zv]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

The #1 feature I'm looking for in the 6D2 is DUAL CARD SLOTS.

Without this, there's no sale.

Clearly even 2 SD slots isn't enough. There should be at least 4. Better to be safe, you know in case there's a fire or a tornado or someone steals my camera. Oh wait ...

You're right. Silly paranoia.

Hopefully Canon removes dual cards from the 5D4, 5DS/R, 7D2 and the 1DX2.

Waste of space and money. Idiots. Not sure what they were thinking on those cameras. Imposing that on the photographers against their will and against their judgment.


I told my wedding photographer, who cost me $5,000 to throw their extra card back in the bag as he looked like a paranoid dork loading into his camera. I'm perfectly confident that a $30 SD card would safely preserve my once in a lifetime event by being impervious to corruption. It did. It didn't fail. This proved to me, that cards never ever fail. It's just internet myths.


8)

Those are all pro grade bodies and am sure warrant dual card slots. Personally I don't see why it's needed on any camera below the 5D line. Sports, PJ and wedding sure I get that you'd want a second card for JPEGs or just a second copy.

But when I'm out shooing landscapes at an average of one shot every 10mins and doing long exposures it's not really a big deal. Or when I'm traveling and just casually shooting as I walkabout. Cards fail now and again. I accept the risk. Not gonna lose sleep over my camera having one card slot.

 

[Sporgon]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Never had a card failure, but then I only buy decent makes.

 

[slclick]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

Never had a card failure, but then I only buy decent makes.

Same and the better brands come with free recovery software.

 

[dak723]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

While I have disagreed with K on numerous occasions, I just don't get the ridicule, and in many cases, just totally stupid responses to the dual card slot issue. I have never had a card fail, but if I did, you can be sure that I would have a camera with dual card slots. You don't have to be a pro to take shots that you would be very upset if they were lost - whether they be pictures taken on vacation, or a special moment that can not and will not happen again.

 

[pwp]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2 to be Announced at the Same Time [CR2]

While I have disagreed with K on numerous occasions, I just don't get the ridicule, and in many cases, just totally stupid responses to the dual card slot issue. I have never had a card fail, but if I did, you can be sure that I would have a camera with dual card slots. You don't have to be a pro to take shots that you would be very upset if they were lost - whether they be pictures taken on vacation, or a special moment that can not and will not happen again.

+1

There was a time when I was arrogant about the premium quality cards I used and scoffed at the paranoia of writing to two cards. Until...

A couple of years ago I had a top level Lexar card fail in spite of following all best practice procedures. I was lucky not to lose a client over this card-fail. Lesson learned, it's such a simple matter to write to two cards. It freaks me out now to just write to one card. Just like the dreaded HDD fail in a computer, it's not a matter of if it will happen, but when.

Dual card slots is the easiest insurance you'll ever get against that admittedly very rare card-fail event. Any argument against it is just plain foolish.

-pw