EOS 6D Mark II To Shrink & Move Upmarket [CR2]

[LonelyBoy]

WTF... The Sony products will become much more interesting ... And the Nikon D750 is already less than 2000 € ... I would not buy 6D MK II if the price exceeds € 2000 . I wait until March for my purchase, if you have the info that goes in this direction , I would be either at sony with A7(x) or nikon.

The D750 will be substantially older at that point, for better or worse. Old products are almost always cheaper than new.

 

[lw]

Yet another Canon item moving up the ladder in pricing. Really fed-up with this constant escalation

This is hardly a phenomenon unique to the camera industry. It's quite common to have quality, amount of features and thus also price slowly climb upwards with new cheaper alternatives being introduced below that. Same thing happens with cars. Over the years even "cheap" and "low budget" type brands becomes better equipped and higher quality, as their customers expect improvement from year to year, and then all new brands are introduced at the bottom of the ladder. And repeat.

Partly true. But there are also plenty of tech areas where prices do actually fall year on year even though new models have improved functionality. Look at TVs or computers.

If camera prices keep rising, it is perhaps more indicative of lack of competition and lack of volume, than just something to do with new features.

 

[LonelyBoy]

And how does "smaller and lighter" correlate with "upmarket"?

Lots of things get smaller as they get better. Used to be phones, before we started doing more with the screen than looking through our address books. Sports cars. Laptops (for some people)

I don't think the 6D needs to shrink, but if they could cram the 6D sensor + 19pt AF system into a body the size of an SL1, I'd be thrilled. I do agree that the T6s form factor is more realistic, but there are definitely people who would appreciate that.

 

[mrzero]

I just hope they don't DROP any features in order to shave a few millimeters and grams off. Please keep the wifi and the GPS, add a few more AF points, and I'll be happy. NFC, swivel screen, and whatever else will all be nice. But don't give with one hand and take away with the other.

 

[PureClassA]

What did the 6D originally start at? Was it $1899? So $1999? $2099? We're in the same ballpark. I think anything 10%-ish would fall under "slight"

I think if they do that and give us a 19-24 pt cross type AF (everything else now has at least the 61pt, so come on guys), 5FPS, and perhaps we see that new 24MP sensor show up in a FF body (if not in the 5D4), we'd have a really nice $2k machine.

6D is already a a perfect size. Not really crazy about it being smaller, but I understand that's where the market is going.

 

[pedro]

I wonder what stratospheric price they have in mind for the 5D4.

5D4=5400? ;-)

 

[Takingshots]

Not a rocket scientist. If Canon want to gain some market share versus Sony is Canon has to increase the focus point system, 24 mpx along with the reduce weight. Bonus also is to add a swivel screen. Good enough for anyone who wants try out for a FF camera. Remember demographically going for the aging population who travels more and need less equipment to haul on their trip and at the same time these days airline industry is not so kind for people to have large carry on bags. You got to pay...

 

[MintChocs]

Definitely an increase in AF points though maybe not cross type all over, very modest increase in megapixels with marginal improvements in image quality, fps will remain more or less the same. They could make the body smaller and a battery grip for those who want it larger! I have a feeling that any major sensor improvents will be for the 1DX and 5Dmkiii replacements.

 

[Marsu42]

What did the 6D originally start at? Was it $1899? So $1999? $2099? We're in the same ballpark. I think anything 10%-ish would fall under "slight"

I found the 6d1 very overpriced for what it is, so moving it "upmarket" should come with a significant boost in features or build quality to justify it vs. the growing competition.

6D is already a a perfect size. Not really crazy about it being smaller, but I understand that's where the market is going.

"Perfect" for what? Probably for smaller hands, but it still is slightly too small already for 24/7 pro shooting which makes the 5d-size more appealing. And for travel purposes and occasional shooting, smaller simply is better esp. if you're taking few and small lenses.

Last not least, making it smaller will give Canon more "natural" marketing distance to the 5d line...

 

[dak723]

I would be interested in this camera even if everything remained the same except for the size and weight. Image quality is already excellent and since I am a center point only shooter, that works for me, too. But having briefly owned the Sony A7 II, I really wished the 6D was smaller and lighter. (That was the only thing about the Sony that was better). If I need to carry a camera at all, I use my SL1. Would love a 6D that I can carry all day!

 

[e17paul]

I think the 6D needs one major improvement: a better AF system. It'll be interesting to see how this camera can get better features AND become smaller AND still be priced below the 5DIII. Is this possible?

Also, what benefit is NFC vs wi-fi in a camera?

I'm hoping that Canon can apply the same detail thinking to the 6D2 as they did to the 100D/SL1. The difference between the 100D and 700D/750D models gives a clue to the margin of weight efficiency that can be achieved.

The 6D may be a little lighter than the 5D series, but it is a tank compared to my full metal bodied full frame film camera. However, I dont want to see the grip or viewfinder compromised in the quest for compactness and lightness.

 

[jeffa4444]

As well as my Canon system I have the Olympus OM-D E-M10 with three different lenses. These fit into a very small Lowepro slingshot with room to spare ideal for holidays where photography is not going to be the prime time consumer. If the 6D reduces in size then I dont think it should be too much it will alter the balance as the lenses by and large are not designed for smaller cameras.
As a landscape / travel camera the current 6D is almost the right combination with minor irritations (low level banding, GPS not turning off when camera turns off, 11 AF points). I would improve the wi-fi setup this could be simply via NFC but overall the camera is already a v.good tool and if it aint broke dont fix it.

 

[NancyP]

I stick an L bracket on each camera, so dainty cameras get not so small and not so light. But, I like the ease and balance of an L bracket when using a tripod, so even the Sigma Merrill mirrorless gets kitted.
I'd like better weatherproofing in the next 6D.

 

[David]

The 6D together with a 40mm Ultron and a 28mm Color Skopar is my best all round combo. It does not get smaller, faster, more practical with superb IQ today - I tried the OM-D' and A7' and these do not come close.

I wish to get three -3EV cross type AF points horizontal, a better mirror mechanism that is quick AND silent, if the camera gets smaller the better. Please keep the high ISO capability. This camera is so versatile and simple, I wish Canon won't change that approach.

 

[lilmsmaggie]

It's an alternative to Wi-Fi. NFC allows short-range communication between two NFC devices, e.g. your camera and a smartphone. Samsung and SONY use NFC technology and some android devices as well. NFC would establish the connectivity between the devices when touched or within 4 cm's of each other, while Wi-Fi would transmit the data once the connection to the other device is established.

I think the 6D needs one major improvement: a better AF system. It'll be interesting to see how this camera can get better features AND become smaller AND still be priced below the 5DIII. Is this possible?

Also, what benefit is NFC vs wi-fi in a camera?

 

[lux]

How about a couple stops better in low light. I'm always trying to take pictures of the kids playing sports at night or photos in church. In either case a couple stops low noise low light would make a big difference

 

[denomite]

7Dmii + full frame sensor = 6Dmii.

 

[bdunbar79]

7Dmii + full frame sensor = 6Dmii.

Or the 5Ds/r

 

[RobertP]

Partly true. But there are also plenty of tech areas where prices do actually fall year on year even though new models have improved functionality. Look at TVs or computers.

If camera prices keep rising, it is perhaps more indicative of lack of competition and lack of volume, than just something to do with new features.

The SL1 has most of the functionality of my 50D for a fraction of the price. The SL1 is lacking in AFMA and toughness but it does have a better sensor.

 

[Bernard]

It's an alternative to Wi-Fi. NFC allows short-range communication between two NFC devices, e.g. your camera and a smartphone. Samsung and SONY use NFC technology and some android devices as well. NFC would establish the connectivity between the devices when touched or within 4 cm's of each other, while Wi-Fi would transmit the data once the connection to the other device is established.

Also, most devices can't connect to multiple WiFi networks at the same time, so you need to disconnect your tablet from your local WiFi, connect to your camera, transfer pictures (or whatever) and then reconnect the tablet to WiFi if you want to post or email them. It's a pain to do, and an even bigger pain to explain to someone who isn't tech-savvy. NFC is more intuitive: you connect by bringing your tablet and camera close together, and you don't lose your tablet's regular internet connection, so you can post stuff in one step.