First Images & More Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II Leak

[MayaTlab]

Any thoughts on how af point illumination will be handled? I can recall some had issues with newer designs black points in some situations.

Same as 5DIV / 7DII / etc.
If you want both a transmissive LCD viewfinder display and individual, permanently lit af point illumination, you need an extra LCD and prism in the viewfinder, which so far only Nikon Dx and Canon 1DX mark II have.

 

[unfocused]

I've always been optimistic that the 6DII sensor would beat the 5DIV sensor as we saw with the 6D > 5DIII.

I wouldn't hold my breath. The 1DxII low light performance isn't much better than the 5DIV. The 6DII will fall in between the two and there just isn't much room there.

 

[tron]

I've always been optimistic that the 6DII sensor would beat the 5DIV sensor as we saw with the 6D > 5DIII.

I wouldn't hold my breath. The 1DxII low light performance isn't much better than the 5DIV. The 6DII will fall in between the two and there just isn't much room there.

+1 especially since the 30Mp files can be downscaled a little and lower the noise in the process.

 

[CanonCams]

I remember seeing a rumor / post on what kits will be made available, anybody know what lenses will be sold with the 6D MK II?

Is it generally cheaper to buy a camera with lens (kit) or separately?

 

[LonelyBoy]

I remember seeing a rumor / post on what kits will be made available, anybody know what lenses will be sold with the 6D MK II?

Is it generally cheaper to buy a camera with lens (kit) or separately?

Generally yes... but they seem awfully proud of the 24-105Lii, to the point where it adds something like a grand to the price of a body. I'd rather get the old version, or the STM, or a 24-70/2.8ii on a deal, and buy the body alone.

 

[Sarpedon]

Oooph. My enthusiasm for this camera just went out the window.

Can anyone with experience speak to the ease and quality of third-party solutions on the 5D IV or anything else that doesn't have the interchangeable option natively? The more detail the merrier. I've googled but it's hard to find decent info.

Short version that I've read: You give your precious to a nice man who tears it apart to swap out something that really wasn't designed to be swapped out. YMMV.

Long version: I'm sure there are threads on this here at CR for the 5D3, but I don't know about the 5D4.

- A

It's been 9 months and no aftermarket screens for the Mark IV that I can see. This does not bode well.

I guess I have to hope one eventually appears for the 6D II (or the 5D IV). Otherwise, have to: drastically change my shooting style, shoot with the 6D forever, buy a 1DX II, switch to crop, or buy an ergonomically challenged Sony and six thousand Sony batteries. I've invested in the Canon system for 15 years. This is unbelievably frustrating.

 

[ahsanford]

I think Canon has designed this camera to kill the second hand 5D3 market.

:

Technically, the 6D2 will accomplish that as it represents the 'soft landing' for prospective new 5D3 buyers in 2017, because I think we all expect the 5D3 to have its obsolescence announced shortly after the 6D2 is announced.

But hay-zoose, that's not anywhere near the principal reason Canon is offering a 6D2! The 6D2 is happening because Canon. likes. making. money. To do that, Canon must remain a market leader, must breathe new life into a 4+ year old market segment, must continue to offer new products for its customers, etc.

The 5D3 is a piece of a bigger market strategy puzzle for Canon, and yes, the 6D2 should obsolete it, but if Canon wanted to deliberately kill the 5D3 second-hand market as the principal goal of a new camera development effort, we sure as hell wouldn't get something looking like this 6D2 at the end of that process.

- A

 

[LightPainter]

Hi, this is my first post on this forum!

I have followed the threads related to the upcoming 6D Mark II for quite a while,yet I am currently still confused in terms of a choice for my future acquisition of a new camera body. I currently own a very old EOS 40D and I have wanted to upgrade to a full frame body for some time now.

The moment is near and I am considering the EOS 6D Mark II based on the rumored specs, which at this point seem almost 100% certain. The alternative would be the EOS 5D Mark III based on the available budget. Unfortunately the EOS 5D Mark IV is way out of my reach, yet these two systems seem to be quite near in terms of price, however they are very different in terms of specs. I have looked at the specs of both cameras, seen the positive and negative sides of each. This comparison below is strictly based on my personal opinion.

5D Mark III 6D Mark II
Sensor 22 MP 26MP -> if noise levels OK and dynamic range OK, then the 6D MKII wins
AF points 61 45 -> seen the test on the 45 points system on the 77D with hit and misses
therefore 5D MKIII wins
Processor Digic 5+ Digic 7 -> 6D MKII wins as the technology should help sustain a better IQ @
higher ISO
Base ISO 100-25,600 100-40,000 -> maybe the 6D MKII wins
FPS 6 6.5 -> 6D MKII wins
Card Slot x2 (CF UDMA x1 SD UHS-I -> slightly in favor of the 5D MKIII due to instant backup solution
+ non-UHS SD provided by the 2 slots
Screen Fixed 3.2" Swivel 3" touch screen -> hard to say. How robust is a swivel touch screen after years
of use?
Video 1080p @30 1080p @60 + 4k time lapse? -> EOS 6D MK II wins
Wi-Fi/GPS/ No Yes -> these are all nice to have, however how do they affect the overal
Bluetooth/NFC camera software performace in time. If one becomes faulty, is the
entire camera affected?
Construction Magnesium alloy Magnesium alloy+plastic -> 5D MK III wins
Weather sealing EOS 1-N level Unknown -> maybe the 5D MK III wins
Release 2012 2017 -> 6D MK II?

I mean I see the logic in having probably better image quality in the 6D MK II, yet how much better than the 5D MK III. On the other hand, the 5D MKIII is built like a tank and seems to be an investment for an extended period of time.

I am looking forward to transform this camera into a tool for earning some extra income. My main focus will be stills. Video is nice to have, yet something still new for me on a DSLR.
I will be shooting some travel photos for starters and maybe try my luck with contests/ stock image sites. I would however not exclude moving up to weddings or similar events, where I am facing the most difficult dilemma: on which camera can I rely? 1 slots vs 2 slots? Image quality @ high ISO values? etc.

I started to work by offering tech support for Canon gear 10 years ago. I therefore had the chance to play around with the Rebels, 30D,5D MK I and 1D MKIII, beside some nice lenses and other Canon equipment. Time has unfortunately passed and I had only my 40D all this time and therefore it is no longer that easy to form an opinion based on testing the products at hand.

I would therefore value all your input, as maybe some of you may have a vast experience with the mentioned equipment (and in general when it comes to photography) and this might aid me in deciding which way to go.

Thank you all in advance for your help!

Paul

 

[ahsanford]

I remember seeing a rumor / post on what kits will be made available, anybody know what lenses will be sold with the 6D MK II?

Is it generally cheaper to buy a camera with lens (kit) or separately?

Presumably there's one kit combination for you below (from Digicame). That's the EF 24-70 f/4L IS USM. I'd have argued that it should naturally be the kitting option for the 6D2... until the 24-105L II came out.

I'm guessing there will be first party Canon-boxed kits for both of those lenses and then we'll see B&H, Amazon, Adorama, etc. start virtually kitting (i.e. one purchase click that nets you a shipper box full of standalone boxed items) existing products with it -- the non-L 24-105 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM comes to mind for a less expensive kit.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

It's been 9 months and no aftermarket screens for the Mark IV that I can see. This does not bode well.

I guess I have to hope one eventually appears for the 6D II (or the 5D IV). Otherwise, have to: drastically change my shooting style, shoot with the 6D forever, buy a 1DX II, switch to crop, or buy an ergonomically challenged Sony and six thousand Sony batteries. I've invested in the Canon system for 15 years. This is unbelievably frustrating.

One could argue the writing's been on the wall for that when the 5D line got rid of interchangeable screens.

You have your options right. If you have a lot of MF glass, it's 1DX-level or Sony time for you. You can stick with the 6D for a bit longer, but if you aren't using AF, one might argue you're a gold candidate to adapt lenses on to a Sony rig.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

Why Canon sticks with mini USB plug, while everybody goes to micro USB long time ago?! It is Canon who force me to keep a separate mini USB around in my house!

The important part is not that you need to keep another cord around. Look at a micro usb cable. See the two little flexible tabs on the bottom? That's what makes it grip into whatever you plug it. Those aren't on the mini. Because the mini puts that inside the socket! Meaning when that wears out, the socket of your device is now no good. The primary design change with micro is that the cable wears out after some thousands of cycles and not the device. Canon has guaranteed the camera's socket will eventually wear out by using mini. I guess they assume users should transfer pictures with the wifi? Great except that sucks down the battery and requires special software.

The important part is that your images are stored on a memory card which can be removed from the camera, inserted into a card reader (or with many computers, directly into an SD slot), and images transferred in that way (and generally, much faster).

I honestly don't remember the last time I connected my camera directly to a my computer.

I do.

The last time I my camera connected to a computer was doing AFMA with FoCal.....

I have done so about a dozen times for Focal, about two dozen times for tethered shooting, and that's it for the last ten years.....

 

[Sarpedon]

It's been 9 months and no aftermarket screens for the Mark IV that I can see. This does not bode well.

I guess I have to hope one eventually appears for the 6D II (or the 5D IV). Otherwise, have to: drastically change my shooting style, shoot with the 6D forever, buy a 1DX II, switch to crop, or buy an ergonomically challenged Sony and six thousand Sony batteries. I've invested in the Canon system for 15 years. This is unbelievably frustrating.

One could argue the writing's been on the wall for that when the 5D line got rid of interchangeable screens.

You have your options right. If you have a lot of MF glass, it's 1DX-level or Sony time for you. You can stick with the 6D for a bit longer, but if you aren't using AF, one might argue you're a gold candidate to adapt lenses on to a Sony rig.

- A

It's strange, though: why put interchangeable screens in the 6D and 7D II, both of which came out after the 5D III?

It's a shame because I don't care about video and I really have no desire to move to Sony at all, but I'm not becoming a different photographer because Canon has decided to disregard my market. One that I admit is somewhat niche, but still: Canon makes enough wide-aperture glass that this should be a consideration. I strongly prefer an OVF to an EVF, but if the only way I can manually focus my 85L (and my other wide-aperture Canons and my Zeiss lenses) in the Canon ecosystem is with an LCD, then I'll take an EVF every time and I'll take my business elsewhere.

 

[ahsanford]

You have your options right. If you have a lot of MF glass, it's 1DX-level or Sony time for you. You can stick with the 6D for a bit longer, but if you aren't using AF, one might argue you're a gold candidate to adapt lenses on to a Sony rig.

- A

It's strange, though: why put interchangeable screens in the 6D and 7D II, both of which came out after the 5D III?

It's a shame because I don't care about video and I really have no desire to move to Sony at all, but I'm not becoming a different photographer because Canon has decided to disregard my market. One that I admit is somewhat niche, but still: Canon makes enough wide-aperture glass that this should be a consideration. I strongly prefer an OVF to an EVF, but if the only way I can manually focus my 85L (and my other wide-aperture Canons and my Zeiss lenses) in the Canon ecosystem is with an LCD, then I'll take an EVF every time and I'll take my business elsewhere.

Right -- totally forgot door #3: keeping shooting your 6D until Canon's FF mirrorless platform arrives. That all but certainly will give you MF peaking/focus assist through the viewfinder.

- A

 

[Mikehit]

It's crazy that I say one thing is a big mistake with the camera and people jump down my throat and go nuts...even if I'm a dedicated Canon shooter. When you look at a camera, STOP LOOKING AT IT LIKE YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT MATTERS AND CAMERAS ARE MADE FOR YOU!!! LMAO, this place is incredible.

The only feature that I honestly can't believe is missing is 4K video. That is going to be the Achilles heel when it comes to the market. It's a buzz word. It's a feature people think they need and, unfortunately, it absolutely needed to be included with this camera.

Why? No other camera at this price point has 4k. Anyone spending $2,000 on a body already knows that - and if they are looking for it they sure as hell won't find it anywhere else either.

So why, exactly, will it be an 'Achilles heel'?

Really? No 4K at this price point? The APS-C Nikon D500 ($1900) and D7500 ($1250) have it. The full-frame A7S ($2000) has it. In APS-C, the A6500 ($1300), X-T2 ($1600), A6300 ($900), X-T20 ($900) all have it. Then basically every micro four thirds camera since 2015 has featured 4K. Cameras like the GH4/GH5 and the OMD-1 MkII have the benefit of using a speed booster to replicate the look of larger sensor depth of field and crop factor too. Granted, sensor size has a major influence on heat and performance, but Sony is about to bring out the A73 this month with 4K and it will likely be in the $1700 range. If you don't believe it's going to hurt sales, you have blinders on.

terms of features and capability.

What 4k capability at $2,000?

See the above massive list of options under $2000 that shoot 4K.

Already proving your argument wrong by having a much better idea of the current camera market, please reevaluate your stance. Canon is limiting video features in its cameras, everyone knows that. My 5D Mark IV and 1DXII shoot MJPEG only in 4K and have no option for a more efficient codec for those shooting video that DON'T want to grab stills out of a video and are more concerned with storage.

Nikon don't have 4k in FF camera at $2,000
The A7s was released at 2,500 USD - anyone can drop the price of their camera and have the market claiming what it possible at a price point.

 

[Sarpedon]

You have your options right. If you have a lot of MF glass, it's 1DX-level or Sony time for you. You can stick with the 6D for a bit longer, but if you aren't using AF, one might argue you're a gold candidate to adapt lenses on to a Sony rig.

- A

It's strange, though: why put interchangeable screens in the 6D and 7D II, both of which came out after the 5D III?

It's a shame because I don't care about video and I really have no desire to move to Sony at all, but I'm not becoming a different photographer because Canon has decided to disregard my market. One that I admit is somewhat niche, but still: Canon makes enough wide-aperture glass that this should be a consideration. I strongly prefer an OVF to an EVF, but if the only way I can manually focus my 85L (and my other wide-aperture Canons and my Zeiss lenses) in the Canon ecosystem is with an LCD, then I'll take an EVF every time and I'll take my business elsewhere.

Right -- totally forgot door #3: keeping shooting your 6D until Canon's FF mirrorless platform arrives. That all but certainly will give you MF peaking/focus assist through the viewfinder.

- A

I'd forgotten about that! I had no interest in mirrorless or any rumors about Canon mirrorless, but I'd rather wait a little white for a Canon mirrorless than switch to Sony. Guess I'll start pining for that instead of the 6D II now. In the meantime, I'm going to check out the A7R II, which I'll probably hate.

 

[ahsanford]

It's a shame because I don't care about video and I really have no desire to move to Sony at all,

Whoa -- I missed that (above). No one said you had to move your photographic existence to Sony. Just buy a Sony A7 rig, three batteries and a metabones adapter and you're done.

Keep all your glass and continue to buy Canon glass.

Keep shooting a Canon SLR for your daily driver, and simply have the Sony as your B-rig dedicated to MF lens projects.

Consider: Goodness knows how many landscapers did exactly that before Canon when to on-chip ADC with their sensors.

I'm not saying Sony's your best option for all photography needs, but if you'd like to drive your current MF lenses through the viewfinder and have 'near cutting edge' or better sensor tech, your choice is a 1DX/1DX2 or a Sony rig. The Sony is simply a cheaper on-ramp to a better sensor if you don't mind the investment and some learning curve.

- A

 

[Too_Many_Hobbies]

Personally I want USB-C so I can do something with the cables I bought for my Note 7 before having to return it ;D

Are you saying you want the 6DII to be an explosion/fire risk?

Exactly. If Canon doesn't have the decency to include overheating 4K, at least have the battery randomly explode for me!

 

[ken]

Hi, this is my first post on this forum!

I have followed the threads related to the upcoming 6D Mark II for quite a while,yet I am currently still confused in terms of a choice for my future acquisition of a new camera body. I currently own a very old EOS 40D and I have wanted to upgrade to a full frame body for some time now.

The moment is near and I am considering the EOS 6D Mark II based on the rumored specs, which at this point seem almost 100% certain. The alternative would be the EOS 5D Mark III based on the available budget. Unfortunately the EOS 5D Mark IV is way out of my reach, yet these two systems seem to be quite near in terms of price, however they are very different in terms of specs. I have looked at the specs of both cameras, seen the positive and negative sides of each. This comparison below is strictly based on my personal opinion.
...<snip>...

I would therefore value all your input, as maybe some of you may have a vast experience with the mentioned equipment (and in general when it comes to photography) and this might aid me in deciding which way to go.

Thank you all in advance for your help!

Paul

Hi Paul!

Welcome! You and I are the only non-professional photographers on here. Everyone else needs either a 1DXii or some Sony system for 4K.

It's hard to tell someone else what they need. Since you say you can't afford the 5D Mark IV, I hope you realize that you can't use your ASP-C lenses with any of the full frame bodies. You'll need all new glass when you move up to FF. (But I bet you knew this since you've been researching)

If you're really planning to shoot a wedding for money, I hope you go with the 5D Mark III. You really should be shooting to two cards at once if a bride and groom have trusted you with their wedding day. There are no do-overs. (You should also have a second photographer working it with you, IMO.) Build-wise, a 5D is a tank and a 6D is a pickup truck.

If this is more hobby, though, I think you'd benefit from the 6D Mark II. I've been shooting with the original 6D since it came out, and I love it. I've been hoping for a tilt screen for a long time in order to do street photography. The new 6Dii will have that. The 6Dii body is smaller than the 5Diii, which is handy in lots of situations. (I have a Sony a6000 I use for street stuff, because its small and has a tilt screen.)

You may have already experienced, but remote shooting via a tablet computer via wifi is really handy for things like hummingbirds, etc. So many odd-ball uses for wifi, and I don't think the 5D Mark III has it built-in.

There's a lot of versatility in the specs on the 6D Mark II that I'm excited about. Touch focus (assuming that's really in there)... man. I can't wait. But if you're going to take someone's money, I think you really need to think about dual card. But that's just an opinion!

Good luck and welcome! I look forward to chatting with you in between all the posts from the pros!
- Ken

 

[Don Haines]

Hi, this is my first post on this forum!

I have followed the threads related to the upcoming 6D Mark II for quite a while,yet I am currently still confused in terms of a choice for my future acquisition of a new camera body. I currently own a very old EOS 40D and I have wanted to upgrade to a full frame body for some time now.

The moment is near and I am considering the EOS 6D Mark II based on the rumored specs, which at this point seem almost 100% certain. The alternative would be the EOS 5D Mark III based on the available budget. Unfortunately the EOS 5D Mark IV is way out of my reach, yet these two systems seem to be quite near in terms of price, however they are very different in terms of specs. I have looked at the specs of both cameras, seen the positive and negative sides of each. This comparison below is strictly based on my personal opinion.
...<snip>...

I would therefore value all your input, as maybe some of you may have a vast experience with the mentioned equipment (and in general when it comes to photography) and this might aid me in deciding which way to go.

Thank you all in advance for your help!

Paul

Hi Paul!

Welcome! You and I are the only non-professional photographers on here. Everyone else needs either a 1DXii or some Sony system for 4K.

It's hard to tell someone else what they need. Since you say you can't afford the 5D Mark IV, I hope you realize that you can't use your ASP-C lenses with any of the full frame bodies. You'll need all new glass when you move up to FF. (But I bet you knew this since you've been researching)

If you're really planning to shoot a wedding for money, I hope you go with the 5D Mark III. You really should be shooting to two cards at once if a bride and groom have trusted you with their wedding day. There are no do-overs. (You should also have a second photographer working it with you, IMO.) Build-wise, a 5D is a tank and a 6D is a pickup truck.

If this is more hobby, though, I think you'd benefit from the 6D Mark II. I've been shooting with the original 6D since it came out, and I love it. I've been hoping for a tilt screen for a long time in order to do street photography. The new 6Dii will have that. The 6Dii body is smaller than the 5Diii, which is handy in lots of situations. (I have a Sony a6000 I use for street stuff, because its small and has a tilt screen.)

You may have already experienced, but remote shooting via a tablet computer via wifi is really handy for things like hummingbirds, etc. So many odd-ball uses for wifi, and I don't think the 5D Mark III has it built-in.

There's a lot of versatility in the specs on the 6D Mark II that I'm excited about. Touch focus (assuming that's really in there)... man. I can't wait. But if you're going to take someone's money, I think you really need to think about dual card. But that's just an opinion!

Good luck and welcome! I look forward to chatting with you in between all the posts from the pros!
- Ken

Well said, but not all pros shoot with a 1DX2.... Some realize that it is about the right tool for the job at an affordable price......

I think that the 6D2 is going to be the best "bang for the buck" of any camera in the Canon line. If I were replacing a camera at work, I would get the 6D2 because for my purposes it is the best Canon camera out there.

I do not need the kick-ass AF system of the 1DX2 because my subjects are usually bolted in place..... they are not moving quickly nor are they moving erratically.....

I do not need a second card, because in the unlikely event of a card failure, the stuff is still bolted down and I can go back and do it again. Wedding photographers do not have the luxury of attaching the bride to the alter with a dozen 50mm bolts......

I work in confined spaces, tilt/swivel is a necessity. Wifi tethering would also be nice....

FPS? For me, does not matter at work.... the stuff is still bolted down, it will not move fast!

High ISO performance? YES! Some of the places are very poorly lit....

What I am trying to say is, choose by your needs, not some label that says "Pro"...

P.S. In the world of tools, the ones labeled as "Pro" are usually inferior. Good quality tools don't bother with such labels....

 

[Sporgon]

I guess that as from the 5DIII Canon felt that the AF system was that accurate fitting a manual screen to "tweak" the focus accuracy after AF wasn't going to be necessary anymore. I don't believe that Canon have ever really given any consideration to use of genuine manual focus lenses on FF, but then there is the 7DII which introduced interchangeable screens to the 7 series. I can only assume that Canon felt that playing about with manual focus lenses and "S" screens is mainly done by hobbyists, and those people buy a lot more crop cameras than FF.

The 1D series just get (nearly) everything.

As for the 1-series getting nearly everything, even though the 1D X has the transmissive LCD, supports interchangeable focus screens, and is physically compatible with the Ec-S high-precision screen...Canon has chosen to not support the -S screen in the firmware for the 1D X (i.e. provide the needed exposure adjustment), which makes the option to swap out a focusing screen useless to me.

That's why I said nearly everything ;D