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More Confirmation of a July Launch for the EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2

applecider said:
K- Why do you require two slots?

I am truly curious. I've had one or two wonky cards over the years,but wonky in a way that gave warning of failure.

I would think that if wifi was available backup to a phone or tablet would be possible on the fly. Size and weight and cost will be more for a two slot camera.

Looks like I jumped threads but question still applies.

BTW..... the card reader is a module that mounts onto the main circuit board. They are (usually) made by a third party and you can usually order any version of reader as a single or a dual unit. The cost difference is minimal, about $10 when buying in quantities of 1, and in the quantities that Canon would be buying, probably pennies.....

It is a safe bet that nobody is designing with UHS-1 anymore and that at some point it will become more expensive to get a UHS-1 slot than a UHS-2 slot. Particularly with 4K video, I expect to see a UHS-2 slot in the 6D2.

As far as backup goes, I wonder how long before we see a battery powered wifi backup unit sitting in the photographer's pocket or bag.....
 
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RandomRazr said:
Hellish said:
If I had to guess at absolute BEST the 6D Mark II gets Full frame 4k at 100-150 Mbps 4:2:0 8-Bit, which is good enough for me :)

Hoping for these specs

24mp
13+ stops DR
2 SD Card Slots (Even UHS-I, I dont care the Sandisk V30 Extreme Pro UHS-I will be good enough)
4K
Flip Screen
DPAF


Honestly I think my hopes are fairly realistic.

how come you wont get the 5D IV instead?
I can't speak for hellish, but for me, I want the lower cost, lower number of megapixels, and flip screen... if I wanted a high number of megapixels, I would get the 5DS
 
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Don Haines said:
I can't speak for hellish, but for me, I want the lower cost, lower number of megapixels, and flip screen... if I wanted a high number of megapixels, I would get the 5DS

I'm with ya, 20 MP was enough for me with the 6D, so please keep it reasonable, like 24 MP is fine, but I don't need (or want) 30+.
 
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Luds34 said:
Don Haines said:
I can't speak for hellish, but for me, I want the lower cost, lower number of megapixels, and flip screen... if I wanted a high number of megapixels, I would get the 5DS

I'm with ya, 20 MP was enough for me with the 6D, so please keep it reasonable, like 24 MP is fine, but I don't need (or want) 30+.

24 mp seems about right to me. I also want:

- Better high ISO performance than the 6D. Please, I'm getting into astro.
- Articulating screen (I shoot wildflowers and some macro).
- Better than 6D AF. Is it unreasonable to expect it to be as good as the 80D?
- More DR? Sure!
- 1/8000 shutter speed.

Two card slots? I have yet to have a problem with one.
Video? No, I use my camera for stills.
 
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RandomRazr said:
Hellish said:
If I had to guess at absolute BEST the 6D Mark II gets Full frame 4k at 100-150 Mbps 4:2:0 8-Bit, which is good enough for me :)

Hoping for these specs

24mp
13+ stops DR
2 SD Card Slots (Even UHS-I, I dont care the Sandisk V30 Extreme Pro UHS-I will be good enough)
4K
Flip Screen
DPAF


Honestly I think my hopes are fairly realistic.

how come you wont get the 5D IV instead?

1.74x Motion JPEG 4K :'(
 
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ahsanford said:
Don Haines said:
the 6D was the "landscape" camera

...because they left the AF out?

I'd argue it was a wonderful camera for anyone who wasn't shooting moving targets. That's a lot more than just a landscaper's tool.

- A
Definitely not for fast moving action :)

I found it great in the anechoic chambers at work with it's low light performance.... and shot night-time images there too... I liked it enough to consider getting one for home but am waiting for the mark 2.....
 
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As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.
 
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RandomRazr said:
vau said:
As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.
 
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I am really interested in this camera. Canon's first FF with a flip screen!

This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.
 
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Etienne said:
This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box,
No, it won't. It's good that photographers are free to choose the gear that meets their needs.

but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

You have to be careful with monthly numbers, they can be transient as new models are introduced. It makes more sense to look at trends.

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

I think you misunderstand: there are many here who disparage mirrorless, but only because it has not yet proven itself to be a full replacement for the mirror. I happen to agree that mirrorless will eventually do that, and the mirror will no longer be needed. I've given up predicting when that will happen.
 
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vau said:
RandomRazr said:
vau said:
As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS. :o
 
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vau said:
RandomRazr said:
vau said:
As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Internet snottiness aside, you both should realize that "invest" includes any allocation of resources (monetary or otherwise) for the expectation of profit or other gain. I don't know when this line of thinking came out that it only means investment of money for a monetary return. I just invested some energy in a long run to train for the Dallas Marathon. I invested in new lenses to give me the joy of shooting more, better pictures. I also invest money in my 401(k) for my retirement. These are all investments of different kinds for different returns. Buying a five-year-old model of camera is an investment (though probably not one with a great financial return). Receiving one as a gift would not be, of course.
 
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Etienne said:
I am really interested in this camera. Canon's first FF with a flip screen!

This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

I'll gladly buy mirrorless. When it works as well for sports as the 1Dx2 and 5D4. In the meantime...
 
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Etienne said:
This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

Yawn. Almost everyone on here has accepted that mirrorless cameras will become increasingly mainstream (although it's been a long time coming, and is still a way off even judging by current figures). That they do not offer clear cut advantages to a mirror in every use case, especially in the format offered by most current models, is not "slavish defensiveness".
 
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Etienne said:
I am really interested in this camera. Canon's first FF with a flip screen!

This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

that's because canon is shipping a batshi.. ton of mirrorless cameras.
 
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LonelyBoy said:
Etienne said:
I am really interested in this camera. Canon's first FF with a flip screen!

This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

1) Are we sure the 6D2 will have a tilty-flippy screen?

I think it will have a proper tilty-flippy screen.

I also hope the 6D line, as of the mark 2, will no longer be seen as 'below' the 5D. It will just be different, aimed more at the non-pro like me, who is willing to pay for lots of features that _help_ them take better pictures / video. Many of these features will be software based, like those seen in ML: focus-peeking, etc..

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves. The ML features are sort of an example of this, setting focus correctly for max DoF, selecting exposure time, etc.. Other useful software features are better downstream integration with social media, and onto other various forms of post processing. Having full integration with the camera features of iPhone and Android would be one way to achieve this and I think is a far more pressing requirement than mirror-less IMHO. This integration also would enable the software (including the various social media integrations) to stay up to date beyond the release of the camera and provide a modern way for Canon to upsell to their consumers.

On this basis, it's even possible that the 6D mark 2 could cost much more than the ~$2k- often assumed. Which might be one reason to launch it alongside the cheaper SL2. The SL2 would then demonstrate that it's part of the same (new) line of cameras aimed at this non-pro market segment. It would run the same new software as the 6D mk 2 and have the same ML-like features in it.

So basically, I'm really hoping that the SL2 and the 6D are the first camera products aimed at seriously converting non-pros on the next stage of their photography journey, rather than seeing phones (and cheaper kit in general) as competition and (as it seems to me) putting their users off getting a dedicated (or more up-market dedicated) device.

And yes I would like a tilty-flippy screen, 36 MP, very good 4K, pixel IQ at least as good as the 6D (so overall IQ much improved with the extra MP). I will then buy this camera! and lenses! and lots of other stuff from Canon, just as I buy lots of other stuff I don't need from Apple - a company that learned a long time ago that the way to a consumer's pocket is through good design and that good UI software is a key part of this.

Michael.
 
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