More Confirmation of a July Launch for the EOS 6D Mark II & EOS Rebel SL2

[sanj]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Hahahaha. Well said. It does not make any sense to buy old technology if you can afford new. An all purchases are investments.

 

[Jopa]

Do you guys think the 6D II will have better video capabilities then the 5D IV? Asside from angle tilt screen

I doubt it will come with the crop mode with MJPEG codec like the 5D IV (It won't come with anything better codec-wise, it's a Canon after all).

So I guess it will be low bitrate H.264 only.

The 4k crop will be less significant assuming it's a lower res body (24Mpx?).

 

[Berowne]

Dont think, that I will purchase a 6DII. Completely happy with my Mark I. But I hope, that the next Version will be prepared for changing the Focus-Screen as easy as the 6D and I wish we will see a Focusing-Screen with microprisms for better manual focusing.

BTW: the AF-modul of the 6D is of Course not usable for moving Targets, so you need a 7DII, which is pretty good.

 

[symmar22]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Hahahaha. Well said. It does not make any sense to buy old technology if you can afford new. An all purchases are investments.

Of course from a salesperson point of view it is necessary to sell new stuff, but from a user point of view, most cameras are not investments, nor is a toaster or a vacuum cleaner. If you want to invest, buy gold or a collector limited edition Leica. Cameras , in the digital era (and smartphones), are merely computers, they only have a usage value. If you are a pro, it will pay for itself, if you are a hobby photographer, its value is only measured by the use you have for it, or the pleasure you have using it. If you can afford a 1Dx2 to picture your dog in the garden, good for you, but for some with less disposable cash, a cheaper camera will do the job in many cases exactly as well.

There is a lot of domains where you don't need the latest stuff, so it's up to everyone to decide what he actually needs. A lots of gimmicks in modern cameras are mainly to compensate the lack of technique, but they cannot compensate for the lack of photographic vision.

 

[LesC]

Of course want or need doesn't always come in to it

My 6D does all I need it to do but if the MKII has a tilting screen, better AF & even better low noise performance, I'll be tempted.

Really depends on price, if there's a deal with the EF24-105 F4L MKII & what I can get in p/ex for my exisiting 6D ...

 

[dak723]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Don't be baffled. Some older used cameras can be bought quite cheaply. And the IQ in DSLRs cameras has changed very little if you aren't a pixel peeper or underexposing 3 stops or more. 8) My 8 x 10 prints from my 6 MP 300D (original rebel) are pretty much indistinguishable from shots taken with my 18 MP SL1. I realize on a tech-heavy heavy forum like this one that these comments are close to blasphemy, but older cameras can still take great pics.

 

[Luds34]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Don't be baffled. Some older used cameras can be bought quite cheaply. And the IQ in DSLRs cameras has changed very little if you aren't a pixel peeper or underexposing 3 stops or more. 8) My 8 x 10 prints from my 6 MP 300D (original rebel) are pretty much indistinguishable from shots taken with my 18 MP SL1. I realize on a tech-heavy heavy forum like this one that these comments are close to blasphemy, but older cameras can still take great pics.

Agreed. One can really save a lot of hard earned cash buying even just one generation behind. The sensors keep improving, but the tech isn't changing THAT fast.

I wanted a 2nd body for my travel kit for a trip to France and I was able to snag a Fuji X-T10 for $400. The individual who scooped up my T2i for 200 bucks a couple years ago got a great little camera for a great price as well.

With all that said, I'll probably be pre-ordering the new 6D.

 

[RandomRazr]

I am really interested in this camera. Canon's first FF with a flip screen!

This will irk a lot of Canon Rumors readers, a group that appears slavishly defensive of retaining the mirror box, but "mirrorless sales are growing against a decline in the number of DSLRs sold" ... https://www.dpreview.com/news/0747159229/cipa-figures-for-april

Like it or not, the mirror will eventually disappear, or possibly will be offered at exorbitant prices for those with lots of cashe and who can't or won't adjust to the new tech.

1) Are we sure the 6D2 will have a tilty-flippy screen?

I think it will have a proper tilty-flippy screen.

I also hope the 6D line, as of the mark 2, will no longer be seen as 'below' the 5D. It will just be different, aimed more at the non-pro like me, who is willing to pay for lots of features that _help_ them take better pictures / video. Many of these features will be software based, like those seen in ML: focus-peeking, etc..

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves. The ML features are sort of an example of this, setting focus correctly for max DoF, selecting exposure time, etc.. Other useful software features are better downstream integration with social media, and onto other various forms of post processing. Having full integration with the camera features of iPhone and Android would be one way to achieve this and I think is a far more pressing requirement than mirror-less IMHO. This integration also would enable the software (including the various social media integrations) to stay up to date beyond the release of the camera and provide a modern way for Canon to upsell to their consumers.

On this basis, it's even possible that the 6D mark 2 could cost much more than the ~$2k- often assumed. Which might be one reason to launch it alongside the cheaper SL2. The SL2 would then demonstrate that it's part of the same (new) line of cameras aimed at this non-pro market segment. It would run the same new software as the 6D mk 2 and have the same ML-like features in it.

So basically, I'm really hoping that the SL2 and the 6D are the first camera products aimed at seriously converting non-pros on the next stage of their photography journey, rather than seeing phones (and cheaper kit in general) as competition and (as it seems to me) putting their users off getting a dedicated (or more up-market dedicated) device.

And yes I would like a tilty-flippy screen, 36 MP, very good 4K, pixel IQ at least as good as the 6D (so overall IQ much improved with the extra MP). I will then buy this camera! and lenses! and lots of other stuff from Canon, just as I buy lots of other stuff I don't need from Apple - a company that learned a long time ago that the way to a consumer's pocket is through good design and that good UI software is a key part of this.

Michael.

how come you wont get a 5D IV?

id dont see how the 6D can be a different camera when its ment to be a entry level full frame. and by ur theory, it would have some better features then the 5D IV?????

 

[justawriter]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

 

[vau]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Because there are no other options for me. I'm not using it for anything else other than my own amusement, and probably some prints for the house. I don't do any commercial activity with it.

So for me, it's basically not an investment, just a toy. I do appreciate the complexity of a 5DSR, but there is just no way I am going to spend a shitload of money on the latest iteration of a product just because some folks at the RnD department say so.

Frankly, I don't care about faster AF or IBIS or all those stuff. All I want is a 24-105 f4 to be able to shoot some nice portraits and landscapes with the same lens on a family vacation. Sometimes spend some time on the beach with my tripod, but nothing serious.

Couldn't care less about 4k for instance. Value is top priority for me.

 

[vau]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

u vant to invest in z 5 year old camera?

Nope, that's the point. I don't invest in cameras, I buy them. Big difference.

Why buy such old tech though? After the 6D mk II comes out it won't be long before the 6D is discontinued and then the count down will start to when Canon can no longer repair that camera.

It baffles me all the time when people come into my store and they asked for a Canon T3i, 60D. Nikon D3200, D5200, D7000 etc. All cameras that have been out of production for many years.
Most times I want to ask these people if they walk into apple or any cell phone provider and ask for the iPhone 3GS.

Don't be baffled. Some older used cameras can be bought quite cheaply. And the IQ in DSLRs cameras has changed very little if you aren't a pixel peeper or underexposing 3 stops or more. 8) My 8 x 10 prints from my 6 MP 300D (original rebel) are pretty much indistinguishable from shots taken with my 18 MP SL1. I realize on a tech-heavy heavy forum like this one that these comments are close to blasphemy, but older cameras can still take great pics.

Agreed. One can really save a lot of hard earned cash buying even just one generation behind. The sensors keep improving, but the tech isn't changing THAT fast.

I wanted a 2nd body for my travel kit for a trip to France and I was able to snag a Fuji X-T10 for $400. The individual who scooped up my T2i for 200 bucks a couple years ago got a great little camera for a great price as well.

With all that said, I'll probably be pre-ordering the new 6D.

Exactly. I have an SL1, and also have an Oly 2n, and a Canon AV and an AE1 with quite a lot of lenses.

What they thought me is that I'm not limited by my equipment, but rather by my skills.

 

[hbr]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

First of all, Vau, the 6d Version 1 started out at a price of around $2,100 and is now selling for around $1,100. For the pictures it delivers, it is a bargain at that price. The price isn't going to drop much more so you should go ahead and buy one now and enjoy it if that is the camera you desire.

Secondly, the 6D Version 1 is still a great camera and will be for some time to come. Basically, it doesn't have the weather sealing, the good AF and the fast FPS of the 5D III but if you can live with that, it does take wonderful pictures.

Thirdly, spec wise, the version II should keep about the same relationship with the 5D IV as the version 1 did with the 5D III. Expect some improvement in the IQ over the version 1, better AF and a few small things here and there. Seriously, I plan to purchase the version II when it comes out, but I still have to ask myself if these small improvements are worth $2,000 to me. In the long run, will the expenditure improve my photography and will the improvements allow me to have a higher keeper rate.

Go ahead and go for it.

Brian

 

[wildwalker]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

First of all, Vau, the 6d Version 1 started out at a price of around $2,100 and is now selling for around $1,100. For the pictures it delivers, it is a bargain at that price. The price isn't going to drop much more so you should go ahead and buy one now and enjoy it if that is the camera you desire.

Secondly, the 6D Version 1 is still a great camera and will be for some time to come. Basically, it doesn't have the weather sealing, the good AF and the fast FPS of the 5D III but if you can live with that, it does take wonderful pictures.

Thirdly, spec wise, the version II should keep about the same relationship with the 5D IV as the version 1 did with the 5D III. Expect some improvement in the IQ over the version 1, better AF and a few small things here and there. Seriously, I plan to purchase the version II when it comes out, but I still have to ask myself if these small improvements are worth $2,000 to me. In the long run, will the expenditure improve my photography and will the improvements allow me to have a higher keeper rate.

Go ahead and go for it.

Brian

I agree with you Brian, I have a 5KMk2 among other bodies, and it's a great camera. However it really has poor AF. I refuse to pay the (in my opinion) way to high price for the 5DMk4 (the 5D Mk2 came out at £2000, so nearly £4000 at launch for the Mk4, no thanks).

While I think the 6D Mk2 will give some improvement over the 5DMk2, I would expect better IQ, better AF, better Dynamic Range, better High ISO, all over my now 8 year old camera, I am also aware that my 5 is 8 years old (well 9 now) and so I would like something newer as a companion so when I travel I am not always thinking about hardware failure.

I agree with others that older models still produce good images, but be hones, could you work with the speed or preview screen of the 300D or 10D? Even my 30D seems a bit slow. Having said that, with lower pixel counts the images do seem decidedly noise free (I'm talking daylight shots here, ISO100). And yes, I wouldn't dare use +ISO800 on most of my old bodies

Alan.

 

[AdjustedInCamera]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

 

[Loswr]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

Yeah, but will it be able to record 4K video of Vogons reading poetry?

;D

 

[ahsanford]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

Yeah, but will it be able to record 4K video of Vogons reading poetry?

;D

Good point. It is, of course, the third worst in the universe.

- A

 

[rrcphoto]

As soon as the 6D mk 2 comes out, and the 6D mk1 price drops, I'm gonna buy it so quick that an A9 won't be able to track me with it's AF.

I love the SL1, probably buying the new version as well.

First of all, Vau, the 6d Version 1 started out at a price of around $2,100 and is now selling for around $1,100.

technically, if you're going to quote retail list price, then do so all the way through. the 6D has been around 1700-1400 for the majority of it's "cheap end of lifecycle". it's actually around 1399 now because it's spring sale season. the regular MSRP .. right now is 1699.

also conflicting that was the insane price of the Yen when the 6D was released, it's much lower now, so what may happen with one camera, may not happen with another.

I don't think it's ever been $1100 from an official retailer.

Seriously, I plan to purchase the version II when it comes out, but I still have to ask myself if these small improvements are worth $2,000 to me

I always see things like that and wonder. what are you doing with the second body?

6D's sell used for around $1000 right now, meaning you could upgrade to a 6D Mark II for around $1000, not $2000.

$1000 brings you a new camera with 0 shutter count, with a warranty, and more features,etc.

the new camera will depreciate quicker, but in reality, you're only depreciating around 1000 over 4 or so years until the next model. (used sale cost - purchase price).

 

[hbr]

technically, if you're going to quote retail list price, then do so all the way through. the 6D has been around 1700-1400 for the majority of it's "cheap end of lifecycle". it's actually around 1399 now because it's spring sale season. the regular MSRP .. right now is 1699.

I don't think it's ever been $1100 from an official retailer.

Not trying to be argumentative here. I didn't specify whether the camera was Grey Market or not or refurbished or not. It was just a quick reply to his post. B&H Photo Video has it on sale for $1269 right now and Canon Direct, (Refurbished), has it on sale for $1099. I have bought many, many items through Canon Direct and other than not having the original box, all the merchandise seemed brand new.

The OP did not say that he already had one, so upgrading to the 6D II would cost him around 2 grand. In my case, you would be right if I sold my 6D I, but I am not sure I want to sell it. My wife could use it as a second camera if I decided to shoot any more weddings.

Cheers,

Brian

 

[tron]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

Yeah, but will it be able to record 4K video of Vogons reading poetry?

;D

Oh NOOOOO! In that case the camera will self destruct by short circuiting! ;D ;D ;D

 

[justawriter]

I don't here mean that the camera just has a big green button that says "go" on it. It should have that mode though (along with the little icons for landscape, portrait, etc.), but it should also help the user to learn how to set up all the controls in an appropriate way themselves.

I can see a future article starting out "The 6DMII became a huge seller because it is slightly cheaper, and because it has the words 'DON'T PANIC' in large, friendly letters on the tilty-flippy screen."

Yeah, but will it be able to record 4K video of Vogons reading poetry?

;D

Oh NOOOOO! In that case the camera will self destruct by short circuiting! ;D ;D ;D

The voice activated operating system will be hardened with the personality of Marvin who will respond to the order "take photo" with "Well if you want to take a picture that is so poorly composed, badly lit, boring, and almost, but not quite, in focus, I suppose I won't try to stop you. Nobody cares what I think anyway."