First Images & More Specifications for the Canon EOS 6D Mark II Leak

[Sarpedon]

It's a shame because I don't care about video and I really have no desire to move to Sony at all,

Whoa -- I missed that (above). No one said you had to move your photographic existence to Sony. Just buy a Sony A7 rig, three batteries and a metabones adapter and you're done.

Keep all your glass and continue to buy Canon glass.

Keep shooting a Canon SLR for your daily driver, and simply have the Sony as your B-rig dedicated to MF lens projects.

Consider: Goodness knows how many landscapers did exactly that before Canon when to on-chip ADC with their sensors.

I'm not saying Sony's your best option for all photography needs, but if you'd like to drive your current MF lenses through the viewfinder and have 'near cutting edge' or better sensor tech, your choice is a 1DX/1DX2 or a Sony rig. The Sony is simply a cheaper on-ramp to a better sensor if you don't mind the investment and some learning curve.

- A

Yes, that's actually what I meant. Just speaking shorthand. Though I'd probably just keep it to one camera since I mix and match lenses all the time. Then, maybe, I'll switch back to Canon when they have something more to my liking.

 

[Don Haines]

I guess that as from the 5DIII Canon felt that the AF system was that accurate fitting a manual screen to "tweak" the focus accuracy after AF wasn't going to be necessary anymore. I don't believe that Canon have ever really given any consideration to use of genuine manual focus lenses on FF, but then there is the 7DII which introduced interchangeable screens to the 7 series. I can only assume that Canon felt that playing about with manual focus lenses and "S" screens is mainly done by hobbyists, and those people buy a lot more crop cameras than FF.

The 1D series just get (nearly) everything.

As for the 1-series getting nearly everything, even though the 1D X has the transmissive LCD, supports interchangeable focus screens, and is physically compatible with the Ec-S high-precision screen...Canon has chosen to not support the -S screen in the firmware for the 1D X (i.e. provide the needed exposure adjustment), which makes the option to swap out a focusing screen useless to me.

That's why I said nearly everything ;D

And no "Green Box" mode..... apparently Canon does not think 1DX users need it. It is obviously crippling the 1DX2 to protect sales of the 6D2

 

[LonelyBoy]

I guess that as from the 5DIII Canon felt that the AF system was that accurate fitting a manual screen to "tweak" the focus accuracy after AF wasn't going to be necessary anymore. I don't believe that Canon have ever really given any consideration to use of genuine manual focus lenses on FF, but then there is the 7DII which introduced interchangeable screens to the 7 series. I can only assume that Canon felt that playing about with manual focus lenses and "S" screens is mainly done by hobbyists, and those people buy a lot more crop cameras than FF.

The 1D series just get (nearly) everything.

As for the 1-series getting nearly everything, even though the 1D X has the transmissive LCD, supports interchangeable focus screens, and is physically compatible with the Ec-S high-precision screen...Canon has chosen to not support the -S screen in the firmware for the 1D X (i.e. provide the needed exposure adjustment), which makes the option to swap out a focusing screen useless to me.

That's why I said nearly everything ;D

And no "Green Box" mode..... apparently Canon does not think 1DX users need it. It is obviously crippling the 1DX2 to protect sales of the 6D2

You laugh - I haven't used the green box in years (probably half a decade or more), but I look at the 1D controls and go "whelp, at least my eyes glazing over means I won't be tempted to spend that money...".

 

[ahsanford]

And no "Green Box" mode..... apparently Canon does not think 1DX users need it. It is obviously crippling the 1DX2 to protect sales of the 6D2

Not at all. Green box mode died on the 1-series to prevent untrained one-percenters from using their $6000 cameras to take pictures like a tourist taking shots with an iPad.

- A

 

[LightPainter]

@ Ken & Don Thank you for your input on this topic!

Yes, I already semi-retired my EF-S 18-55 and went for the EF 16-35 f4 IS, which I absolutely love. Tested it in the store briefly with a 5D mk IV. Spectacular on a full frame body. My next lens on the wishlist would be an EF 70-200 f 2.8 IS II. This should cover the tele end nicely and I have seen some great pics in some reviews.

I do understand both points of view and have researched tons of sites with RAW, JPEG samples for the 5D MK III. I have looked at the 6D MK I and even glimpsed at the 77D, as the 6D MK II will probably be a mix of qualities from both these cameras.

The tough choice is that I can only go for a primary body for the required work. I will most likely keep the 40D as a backup solution, however I am aware that is almost a non-existent solution due to its heavy limitations.

I am drawn to both cameras, as each of them has its ups and downs.

I had also the opportunity to view some 5D MK III JPEG files, as we had hired a photographer for our wedding, which was using the 5D MK III. The second photographer was using a 5D MK II. Looking at ISO 1600 files shots inside a church already exhibits some fine noise, which has me a bit concerned. Is there a fault in the usage of the camera on part of the photographer or is the 5D MK III not such a good performer in low light + high ISO situations?

Also, will the 5D MK III still be able to hold its ground in terms of image quality for at least another 5 years from now on?

On the other hand, the 6D MKII is packed full with lots of features, however I am concerned due to the missing dual card slots (although I have never had any issues with my SanDisk memory cards for 10 years) and if to many features packed in it, might lead it to break under its own weight. Of course customers are demanding these days as some are aware of the technical specs of cameras and I wonder if either the insecurity of the missing slot or the age of the other camera might turn them away.

I know, I might sound crazy, but this is one of the very few acquisitions I am absolutely disoriented in years. Usually I did some thorough research and then I was able to decide. In this case, there are so many unknowns.

This is why I rely on all your input, as maybe through your experience the choice will be a bit clearer for me.

Thanks again for your time and help!

Paul

 

[nightscape123]

The camera looks amazing and I will almost certainly be pre-ordering, but how in the world does this camera, in 2017, not have usb 3.0? not even micro usb... Are they sourcing parts from an antique shop? Given that I'm not holding out much hope for UHS III card reader... Hopefully we at least get UHS II lol.

 

[Don Haines]

@ Ken & Don Thank you for your input on this topic!

Yes, I already semi-retired my EF-S 18-55 and went for the EF 16-35 f4 IS, which I absolutely love. Tested it in the store briefly with a 5D mk IV. Spectacular on a full frame body. My next lens on the wishlist would be an EF 70-200 f 2.8 IS II. This should cover the tele end nicely and I have seen some great pics in some reviews.

I do understand both points of view and have researched tons of sites with RAW, JPEG samples for the 5D MK III. I have looked at the 6D MK I and even glimpsed at the 77D, as the 6D MK II will probably be a mix of qualities from both these cameras.

The tough choice is that I can only go for a primary body for the required work. I will most likely keep the 40D as a backup solution, however I am aware that is almost a non-existent solution due to its heavy limitations.

I am drawn to both cameras, as each of them has its ups and downs.

I had also the opportunity to view some 5D MK III JPEG files, as we had hired a photographer for our wedding, which was using the 5D MK III. The second photographer was using a 5D MK II. Looking at ISO 1600 files shots inside a church already exhibits some fine noise, which has me a bit concerned. Is there a fault in the usage of the camera on part of the photographer or is the 5D MK III not such a good performer in low light + high ISO situations?

Also, will the 5D MK III still be able to hold its ground in terms of image quality for at least another 5 years from now on?

On the other hand, the 6D MKII is packed full with lots of features, however I am concerned due to the missing dual card slots (although I have never had any issues with my SanDisk memory cards for 10 years) and if to many features packed in it, might lead it to break under its own weight. Of course customers are demanding these days as some are aware of the technical specs of cameras and I wonder if either the insecurity of the missing slot or the age of the other camera might turn them away.

I know, I might sound crazy, but this is one of the very few acquisitions I am absolutely disoriented in years. Usually I did some thorough research and then I was able to decide. In this case, there are so many unknowns.

This is why I rely on all your input, as maybe through your experience the choice will be a bit clearer for me.

Thanks again for your time and help!

Paul

If you have the luxury of waiting a few months, you will have a better idea of what the 6D2 is really like and will get to see some reviews. Plus, after the initial surge in sales, there should be a price drop. 5D3 prices should also drop as time goes on.

As to the second card slot, I wonder what the possibilities are for backing up "as you go" by WiFi to an external device are? I find it interesting that my phone backs up images to the cloud whenever I get into range of a WiFi hotspot and wonder if there was some way to do the same with my camera?

 

[Don Haines]

The camera looks amazing and I will almost certainly be pre-ordering, but how in the world does this camera, in 2017, not have usb 3.0? not even micro usb... Are they sourcing parts from an antique shop? Given that I'm not holding out much hope for UHS III card reader... Hopefully we at least get UHS II lol.

2 1/2 years ago, I picked up a 7D2..... it had USB 3.0 and I was surprised that it did not come with a UHS II slot....

Fast forward to now, and the 6D2 has moved BACKWARDS ? ? ? ? with USB and the UHS II slot is still doubtful?

Generally, I think Canon gets things right, but I think they got these two wrong....

 

[Zv]

The camera looks amazing and I will almost certainly be pre-ordering, but how in the world does this camera, in 2017, not have usb 3.0? not even micro usb... Are they sourcing parts from an antique shop? Given that I'm not holding out much hope for UHS III card reader... Hopefully we at least get UHS II lol.

2 1/2 years ago, I picked up a 7D2..... it had USB 3.0 and I was surprised that it did not come with a UHS II slot....

Fast forward to now, and the 6D2 has moved BACKWARDS ? ? ? ? with USB and the UHS II slot is still doubtful?

Generally, I think Canon gets things right, but I think they got these two wrong....

Purely my anecdotal input here but I've never really used the USB port on my 6D. I tether using Wifi on my iPad or iPhone. Though I can see USB 3.0 being useful for those that don't have an SD slot on their PC (also means not having to ever remove the card from camera when transferring images). I totally agree the 6DII should have USB 3.0 but just wondering how essential USB is for most people.

 

[Deleted member 379512]

Apologies if this has already been asked, but are there any rumors or hints to any new features that might be included, unique to this?

 

[Jack Douglas]

@LightPainter. I had the $$ but chose the 6D over the 5D3 and never regretted it as far as usability goes. I then bought a used 1D4 for more FPS (wildlife) but came to realize that one thing that gets better with time(technology) is high ISO performance. It couldn't match the 6D by quite a margin. I would be hesitant to spend significant dollars on the 5D3 but maybe if it was a bargain. I have put my 6D up for sale today and will likely get the 6D2 even though I can afford the 5D4 - I don't want that weight (1DX2 is enough). The 6D2 improvements are very desirable, IMHO.

If I shot weddings then the second slot would concern me (agree, you need a backup strategy), otherwise it'd be 6D2 for me.

Jack

 

[Don Haines]

The camera looks amazing and I will almost certainly be pre-ordering, but how in the world does this camera, in 2017, not have usb 3.0? not even micro usb... Are they sourcing parts from an antique shop? Given that I'm not holding out much hope for UHS III card reader... Hopefully we at least get UHS II lol.

2 1/2 years ago, I picked up a 7D2..... it had USB 3.0 and I was surprised that it did not come with a UHS II slot....

Fast forward to now, and the 6D2 has moved BACKWARDS ? ? ? ? with USB and the UHS II slot is still doubtful?

Generally, I think Canon gets things right, but I think they got these two wrong....

Purely my anecdotal input here but I've never really used the USB port on my 6D. I tether using Wifi on my iPad or iPhone. Though I can see USB 3.0 being useful for those that don't have an SD slot on their PC (also means not having to ever remove the card from camera when transferring images). I totally agree the 6DII should have USB 3.0 but just wondering how essential USB is for most people.

When we combine the fact that Canon has all the marketing data, plus the fact that they left USB 3.0 out, the logical conclusion is that for most people who buy this camera, it does not matter....

 

[Loswr]

I guess that as from the 5DIII Canon felt that the AF system was that accurate fitting a manual screen to "tweak" the focus accuracy after AF wasn't going to be necessary anymore. I don't believe that Canon have ever really given any consideration to use of genuine manual focus lenses on FF, but then there is the 7DII which introduced interchangeable screens to the 7 series. I can only assume that Canon felt that playing about with manual focus lenses and "S" screens is mainly done by hobbyists, and those people buy a lot more crop cameras than FF.

The 1D series just get (nearly) everything.

As for the 1-series getting nearly everything, even though the 1D X has the transmissive LCD, supports interchangeable focus screens, and is physically compatible with the Ec-S high-precision screen...Canon has chosen to not support the -S screen in the firmware for the 1D X (i.e. provide the needed exposure adjustment), which makes the option to swap out a focusing screen useless to me.

That's why I said nearly everything ;D

And no "Green Box" mode..... apparently Canon does not think 1DX users need it. It is obviously crippling the 1DX2 to protect sales of the 6D2

Yep. That, and no in-camera HDR. My 1D X is nerfed.

 

[scyrene]

I guess they assume users should transfer pictures with the wifi? Great except that sucks down the battery and requires special software.

transfer via wifi? really? I guess they assume that 99.99999999999% users take the SD card out of the camera and transfer it that way like most of us do.

the USB connection is really used for rare occasions ie: tethering.

if you transfer files by plugging in the camera, well I just don't know.

Hmm. I know it's slightly different but I almost always plug in the USB cable as I'm shooting on a CF card and my laptop doesn't have a slot for that. Is it really that unusual? I've heard mixed things about external card readers, and it's an extra device to have, when the cable is already there (and I'm rarely time limited so uploads don't need to be lightning fast).

(I used to use an SD card and remove it, but I knocked my computer one day, and the card snapped in the slot and the slot no longer works. I'm not sure which way is safer). (Incidentally, I find the slim, wide (micro?) USB leads much flimsier and less reliable than the old (mini?) ones).

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Incidentally, I'm not all that bothered by 4K in general, but 4K timelapse is exciting. That's one area I think would really benefit from more resolution without generating lots of heat or requiring special processors etc (and it's all combined in camera, so there's not so much pesky editing afterwards).

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I honestly don't remember the last time I connected my camera directly to a my computer.

I do.

The last time I my camera connected to a computer was doing AFMA with FoCal.....

I have done so about a dozen times for Focal, about two dozen times for tethered shooting, and that's it for the last ten years.....

And, I tether mine almost daily, it spent several hours tethered yesterday photographing products. Thats the thing about features like that, some use them, some don't. I don't use video, and mostly use the center point except twice a year when I photograph a local theater production. The AF points on the 5D MK III really don't spread out enough for me, but its better than nothing. I'm interested in the PDAF, because of the accurate focusing, mabe I would no longer have to tether the camera and focus at 5 or 10X on a big monitor.

 

[luisbelo]

Re: 6D2 photos posted, new specs as well

I also agree. When one throws terms like Nerfed, Crippled, or Fanboy into a conversation, they come with a lot of emotional baggage (that varies from person to person) and makes it harder to get your point across as the moment they see Nerfed, it sets a tone that usually gets associated with extreme (and often unreasonable) viewpoints that spawns even more extreme responses..... How can one recover from that?

Hi Don,
I have read your response several times and I am not sure of your conclusion. As for extreme or unreasonable comments or posts, if I have something to say, I say it once after that I try to stop responding so as not to add fuel to the fire.
My thoughts are that if you are on top looking down as many on this forum are, a certain missing item may appear to make the camera "crippled" or "nerfed," but if you are at the bottom with a small budget looking up, you might be glad that this item is missing so that you are not paying for something you will never use.

Brian

Just because it could have 4k that necessarily mean it would be more expensive...

 

[RiceCanon]

Features sound great to me so far! I'm hoping for meaningful improvements in dynamic range and high ISO performance. Also would really like to see F8 autofocus and a built-in intervalometer!

 

[captainkanji]

I'm gonna shoot the Street Machine Nationals this weekend and then prepare my 6D for sale. Improved IQ and AF have me excited. I can go without a camera for a few months. *sadface.

 

[ahsanford]

Apologies if this has already been asked, but are there any rumors or hints to any new features that might be included, unique to this?

That's the remaining wildcard, I'd say. In previous bodies, we got pleasant surprises that weren't really on any of our wish lists:

DPAF
Silent shutter
Anti-flicker
DPRAW
Shutter delay to minimize vibration

(I'm sure I've missed some, the gang will keep pipe up I'm sure)

So what will the 6D2 get? Your guess is as good as mine.

- A

 

[pj1974]

I guess they assume users should transfer pictures with the wifi? Great except that sucks down the battery and requires special software.

transfer via wifi? really? I guess they assume that 99.99999999999% users take the SD card out of the camera and transfer it that way like most of us do.

the USB connection is really used for rare occasions ie: tethering.

if you transfer files by plugging in the camera, well I just don't know.

Hmm. I know it's slightly different but I almost always plug in the USB cable as I'm shooting on a CF card and my laptop doesn't have a slot for that. Is it really that unusual? I've heard mixed things about external card readers, and it's an extra device to have, when the cable is already there (and I'm rarely time limited so uploads don't need to be lightning fast).

(I used to use an SD card and remove it, but I knocked my computer one day, and the card snapped in the slot and the slot no longer works. I'm not sure which way is safer). (Incidentally, I find the slim, wide (micro?) USB leads much flimsier and less reliable than the old (mini?) ones).

~~~

Incidentally, I'm not all that bothered by 4K in general, but 4K timelapse is exciting. That's one area I think would really benefit from more resolution without generating lots of heat or requiring special processors etc (and it's all combined in camera, so there's not so much pesky editing afterwards).

I have taken over 200,000 photos with my 3 x Canon DSLRs, and approximately the same number with digital P&S before my first DSLR.
For most of the P&S photos, I took the cards out of the camera (Kodak CF, Fuji SmartMedia - anyone else use and remember them?)
But for almost all of the time, with my DSLRs I have plugged the DSLR directly into my PC. I transfer files, and work on sorting through them as they copy across (e.g. remove poor quality photos, copy best images to favourites folder, etc).
I have a very streamlined process in place. :
The reason I connect my DSLRs in to my computer via cable directly, is because I have seen others with bent pins inside cameras- being costly & inconvenient to repair.
My first two DSLRs were the Canon 350D and 7D, and I now also have a Canon 80D. So only the 80D uses SD cards. I still just prefer to plug the DSLR directly into the PC via a cable.

Plus I find it more convenient to plug in a micro USB cord - rather than as removing a card (CF or SD) and placing it in a card reader, then taking memory card out, and putting it back in camera.
File transfers do not drain the battery much either. Sure, I would love USB 3.0 (I am looking forward to that USB 3.0 in my next digital camera). A shame USB 3.0 wasn't a part of the 80D... but oh well.

I agree that having an extra device on my desk puts me off using a USB card reader (though I still have 1, and used them in the past). Back in the days when cameras were much slower (and USB 1.1) - well it was worth getting a USB 2.0 Card reader!
And I also agree that mini USB is a more preferred (more stable, less fiddly) connector than micro USB. I wish there would be 1 standard... my mobile phone and wireless headphone use micro USB, but most of my other devices (MP3 player, cameras) use mini USB.

About 4K and timelapse... this is one reason why I prefer to use an external intervalometer, and use my 350D (which at 8MP) gives me 4K timelapses. That way, when I upload all the photos to my PC -and run through GoPro Studio - to create timelapse, I can get output at the resolution I like (I usually export at different resolutions / bit rate, which is convenient). While a little bit time consuming, I don't find it too 'pesky'.
The full resolution version is 4K, so that's 'future proofing' it (Because, as I understand, doing timelapse in camera reduces the resolution). In fact, I have sourced a few extra very cheap 2nd hand 350Ds in the past few months, so that I have a 'stock' of cameras to do timelapses. I often take a few thousand photos at a time e.g. to do some longer period timelapses of clouds / landscape, which highlight the changing light throughout (parts of) the day. I don't want to add shutter actuations to my 7D or 80D, when I can use a few old perfectly good 350D cameras.

That's my contribution... in a 6DmkII (rumour / about-to-be-announced) thread.

So just to keep it on topic, the 6DmkII looks from the specs to be a very decent performer. Canon has really lifted their game with regard to sensor performance in recent models (80D, 5DmkIV and 1DXii, etc)- and I expect the 6DmkII will be great (the original 6D had a very good sensor in it for its time).

And hopefully - and more importantly - the 6DmkII will be used by many happy photographers to take many many treasured images, over many years... of people, places, memories, etc.

Regards,

PJ 8)