Canon Australia just announced both cameras on a live FB video.... no details given about when they will actually be available to purchase though
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A simplified AF system in comparison to the 7D II and 5DSR I use, but for bird photography I find single point and Zone AF more than adequate for birds in flight photography. The real winner I’m hoping is the 1.6 crop sensor with 32.5 MP which has got to be the best spec ever for bird photography. Here’s hoping!
Definitely not a 7D MK III replacement. Not in specifications, certainly not in price point. Hope remains for a 7d MK III....
Fewer AF cross-points than the 7Dii. Single-processor. No IBIS (not that this was expected). Higher MP count so the noise is almost certainly going to be worse than the 7Dii. Unless you're using an 80D or something I'm not sure why you would view this as an upgrade. It's objectively worse than the 7Dii in several areas, particularly those that are important to wildlife photographers. Not sure what I'm supposed to do at this point, been waiting for a 7Dii upgrade for a while now. I really don't want to dump all my glass and jump to Nikon. Sony maybe?
The AF module might indeed be an indicator or relative AF performance, but "single or dual" processors is not. In regard to that: it's a bummer that the 90D doesn't have the single+AF assist points mode that is so popular (I use it a lot myself). But then again, it has an updated iTR sensor and algorithms which may mean it's better at subject tracking.
This is a sensible approach. The 7DMkll isn't so old that y'all cannot wait a bit for the next body to fill it's shoes. There has always been it's more expensive big sibling as well. Furthermore, the 7DMk2 is a great camera in the right hands. If you take the time to customize AF settings and use it under the right range of conditions (something most cameras have-limitations and strengths) it will produce amazing images. Like the 6D2, it has been bashed by many non owners and those who don't care to invest the time to work with it. Like all things, the complainers are always louder and more forthcoming than the happy owners, even when they are the minority.
Where have any of the "leaked" document said the 90D will have iTR? The 80D has an RGB+IR light meter and does not have iTR. The 90D looks to have a very similar AF system to the 80D.
Keep in mind that the 9-point zone AF in the 80D acts nothing like Single point AF with 4 or 8 point expansion does in the 7, 5, and 1 series.
I'm not too familiar with the pro cameras, what's the difference here?
I believe iTR was mentioned in the promo video. But here it is straight from the horse's mouth. Now, they emphasize face detection here but that's likely just marketing. The 80D doesn't have full iTR probably mostly because the resolution is so low (but does have a form of color tracking, at least in theory). But resolution is no longer a hindrance, and indeed a 220,000 pixel metering sensor wouldn't really make much sense if it weren't used for AF tracking as well.
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Yes: good point. And that's probably where I come in: this may become the king of Canon's APS-C line, but I've seen nothing to say it is supposed to be a 7Dii replacement, so it seems harsh to criticise it as "not a good replacement" for that camera.What they've meant is, if you want a new APS-C DSLR, this is it, and they may not continue the 7D line as-is, possibly moving it over to their mirrorless line.
I guess Canon have estimated that developing a (yet another) new sensor, new AF, etc. and pricing it at like 2500$ to have the profit margin they need is simply not worth it at this time, and with the new system they may offer stabilisation, even higher framerates without a mirror etc. to justify this kind of pricing and also keep up with the competition.
So the 90D is an upgrade to their whole APS-C line in a lot of regards (especially for video, possibly image quality), since the technology in it is 5 years younger than a 7D Mark II, that's a pretty long time and it will be a popular model that they can still sell well. They have equipped it with the AF joystick as well now, so they intended to move it up a notch in terms of controls.
All goods points! But I the AF will be fine once practised with it...won’t know until we have a go with it of course. At least it will be superb for perched birds!!! I’ve always thought that hand-eye coordination is the most important determinant in BIF photography. practice makes perfect!I've found iTR helpful for tracking airplanes in flight. It also seems to be missing from the 90D. I would think iTR would help in keeping a bird's head in focus, rather than shifting to a near wingtip as 9-point zone AF is prone to do.
Keep in mind that the 9-point zone AF in the 80D acts nothing like Single point AF with 4 or 8 point expansion does in the 7, 5, and 1 series.
This camera seems capable at the very least.
Those who were asking for a "12 fps or nothing" burst, guess what, if you're not good enough to get nice pictures with a 10fps burst, then you should invest in yourself just a little bit, you know, to catch up the late. A 12 fps burst instead of 10 won't compensate a lack of skill. "It's 2019 for god's sake !!" as you are used to say, so it's never too late to invest in self development
Can the scepticals provide an exemple of a better (or even equal) camera for sport photography, within the same budget (or below), and brand new of course ? I'm not part of the Canon ecosystem yet, so I'm definitely interested in your answers. And please, don't say Sony, their lenses are definitely not good (at least for the aps-c range) and quite expensive as well especially compared to what Canon has to offer...
AF lock speed, tracking an other things haven't been tested yet so it's of course too early to give this new body awards, I'm just assuming Canon wouldn't drop a 10fps camera without a really good autofocus (otherwise what would be the point ? to have 2 sharp shots out of 10 ?) but I might be wrong, just assumptions.
Its closer competitor might be the 7D2 itself and its very few last models still on sale.
I don't know the business, but I doubt Canon is throwing in the towel on the 7d2 demographic. The biggest reason is lens sales. Who buys 7d's? Wildlife people. Who buys 10k dollar white lenses wildlife people. Who doesn't jump ship each time a new camera is introduced by a rival brand, people with 10k dollar lenses.
Maybe the 90d is meant to be that camera, but I suspect they have something in the works. It may be a 1d type or a specialized 5d type. I m looking for a body to be used with my 500 f4. I thought a 7d3 was coming. I guess we shall see.
Yes: good point. And that's probably where I come in: this may become the king of Canon's APS-C line, but I've seen nothing to say it is supposed to be a 7Dii replacement, so it seems harsh to criticise it as "not a good replacement" for that camera.
Better to see it as an 80D update/refresh, and judge it on that basis (I'm not a user of either, so can't comment with direct knowledge, but to me it seems like a good movement forward over the 80D).
Given what we all believe to be the state of a declining market, while I understand lines may converge, I'm less sure that Canon would give up the 7D market-space (I don't see the 1D line as a realistic alternate for many owners, given the price differential) when it seems to have such a strong following, and I agree with the logic of reef58 's comment about markets and expensive lenses.
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While it is true that many are getting well past 500,000 clicks before shutter failure, the chances of shutter issues start increasing appreciably at about 150,000-250,000. Less than two-thirds of 7D Mark IIs make it past 250,000, which means once you are past 200,000 or so, there's a one-in-three chance you'll have shutter issues by 250,000. Those odds are too high to depend on a body for paid work without owning a backup copy.
This is NOT a replacement for the 7D.. unfortunately. The "promiss" to mix both 80D and 7DII into one body was, as predicted, impossible. I wonder when it will be the "right time" to get a new 7DII body in terms of price drop. Cause in the spec, the 90D and the 7DII are almost the same.
I'm not too familiar with the pro cameras, what's the difference here?
The expansion modes always prioritizes focusing with the center point, only using the neighboring points to make tracking more robust. Whereas the nine-point mode will in general just pick the point(s) that's closest to the camera and focus on that.
That is interesting.
The 7D2 had a 150k pixel metering sensor which in theory means the 90D iTR should be superior.
Now, if their subject recognition and processing has improved for a half-decent eye AF this may reduce the need for the 1+4 or 1+8 focussing modes.
But I realise I am probably being optimistic...
All goods points! But I the AF will be fine once practised with it...won’t know until we have a go with it of course. At least it will be superb for perched birds!!! I’ve always thought that hand-eye coordination is the most important determinant in BIF photography. practice makes perfect!
I believe iTR was mentioned in the promo video. But here it is straight from the horse's mouth. Now, they emphasize face detection here but that's likely just marketing. The 80D doesn't have full iTR probably mostly because the resolution is so low (but does have a form of color tracking, at least in theory). But resolution is no longer a hindrance, and indeed a 220,000 pixel metering sensor wouldn't really make much sense if it weren't used for AF tracking as well.
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No one is saying one won't be able to get any shots with a 90D. But anyone who is an expert with BIFs understands that better AF means a higher keeper rate. Smaller birds, such as the one you shared, tend to dip their wings as they flit about in a zig-zag manner more than larger birds that tend to fly with wings more level in straighter paths do. By waiting until the bird's wings are tilted to such an extent that they are almost parallel with the camera's sensor means 9-point Zone AF vs. Single point AF with expansion doesn't make a whole lot of difference. With larger raptors such as condors and eagles, the difference between 9-point zone AF in the 80D and Single point AF with expansion in the 7D Mark II is the difference between getting the tip of the wing that is four feet closer to the camera in perfect focus rather than the bird's head that is four feet further from the camera.