Here is the Canon EOS M100 [CR3]

[rrcphoto]

E12 is a poor performance battery. It dies fast and you have to pack at least two other spares if you are were planning to walk around for a day. I found Canon's "genuine" batter isn't better than the third party ones.

Not sure about the future of Canon's M series. I still have the original one. When travelling, I packed it, the seldom used it.

canon bragged that their mirrorless sales jumped 70% this year. it's not going anywhere.

you have the original M, it's hard to judge how the newer M's do with battery management.

for instance the CIPA rating of the M was 220 shots and the M didn't have a flash.

the M10 with an LP-E12 was 250 shots *with* the flash firing for 50% of the shots, which means in actual usage easily around double that of the original M.

M3 to M6 was a difference of 250 to 295 shots CIPA rating. which means that DIGIC 7 is more power efficient, even when paired with a DPAF sensor.

I would "guess" that the M100 is somewhere around the 275-300 shot CIPA rating - which means that it should be around 2-3 times that of the original M in identical shooting conditions. especially if you turn on eco mode.

CIPA battery life ratings take into account flash firing. the camera must fire the flash for 50% of the time for the battery rating. So the M10 and M100 certainly lasts for alot longer than the original M did.

however if you never take it out and use it - I'm not sure what the care is here anyways.

 

[rrcphoto]

I'd say the powershot group has fleshed out it's lineup for 1" compact and APS-C mirrorless:

now the question is .. where the heck is the G5X Mark II?

it's the only one left missing from the DIGIC7 party and needs an update.

IMO, we will be able to tell what is going to happen with the mirrorless lineup from what happens first with the powershots, ie: DIGIC, performance,etc.

 

[Etienne]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

Yes, smart move. Choose your camera based on the battery. ;D

Every time I think the folks here on CR couldn't come up with sillier reasons to complain, I am proved wrong!

Actually the battery is a non-starter for me as well. I already have to bring 5 different types of rechargeable batteries, and I am not adding another set. If I get another M series it will be the M6 .... one big reason is that the battery is the same as my M3, T7i, and 77D.

 

[Sharlin]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

You think Canon cares? You never were the target audience of this camera. People are such egoists...

 

[Sharlin]

Actually the battery is a non-starter for me as well. I already have to bring 5 different types of rechargeable batteries, and I am not adding another set. If I get another M series it will be the M6 .... one big reason is that the battery is the same as my M3, T7i, and 77D.

You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?

 

[snappy604]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

 

[Sharlin]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

 

[YuengLinger]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones.

Somebody explains why this camera isn't right for them, batteries, whatever, and you scold, "You aren't right for this camera." Nice exchange there. I get soooo snippy when I drink Red Bull.

 

[Etienne]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones.

Somebody explains why this camera isn't right for them, batteries, whatever, and you scold, "You aren't right for this camera." Nice exchange there. I get soooo snippy when I drink Red Bull.

LOL

 

[rrcphoto]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones

Except that is not the case. Canon has mentioned more than once selling the M line to this demographic.

 

[LonelyBoy]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones.

Somebody explains why this camera isn't right for them, batteries, whatever, and you scold, "You aren't right for this camera." Nice exchange there. I get soooo snippy when I drink Red Bull.

Red Bull is gross.

But back on topic, some of us are saying the M100 will sell well to casual photographers. You and Etienne are saying it will sell poorly, because those people are using smartphones and more serious photographers will reject it because of the battery. When it sells well (as it almost certainly will, because the Eos M line has been very successful in recent years), will you admit you were wrong and it wasn't targeted at you?

YLer is right - Canon didn't intend most of us here to be interested in the M100. You do understand that not every product is targeted at every consumer, right? So the M100 isn't right for Etienne - that's fine. The 1DX2 isn't right for me, no matter how much I drool. That doesn't mean I come here and complain that it's too big and heavy for my purposes.

 

[Sharlin]

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones.

Somebody explains why this camera isn't right for them, batteries, whatever, and you scold, "You aren't right for this camera." Nice exchange there. I get soooo snippy when I drink Red Bull.

Would be funny if Canon hadn't repeatedly said that the M series sells very well to exactly that demographic. Wait, no. It wouldn't be funny even if that were the case. You might want to try again, or preferably just shut up about things you have no idea about.

 

[rrcphoto]

here's what canon has been saying:
2016 Q2
For mirrorless cameras, we have expanded unit sales, particularly in Asia, running
advertising campaigns targeting young people and females.

2016 Q3
Furthermore, for mirrorless cameras, following the EOS M3, we launched an affordably priced
model, the EOS M10 last year. We continued to post strong results through carrying out focused
marketing activities by strengthening online advertising and our sales network. We were successful
in generating new demand among groups that have had little familiarity with inter-changeable lens
cameras in the past, such as women and young generations.

2016 Fiscal year end:
Within this, last year, we strengthened our mirrorless lineup introducing a new high-end model. This,
coupled with our tailored marketing activity allowed us to increase our market share in all regions.
Mirrorless cameras are already supporting our existing interchangeable-lens cameras and we feel we
can increase our share in each region.

2017 Q1
Additionally, in Asia, where mirrorless cameras make up a large percentage of the
interchangeable-lens camera market, we expanded our lineup, broadened our sales channel beyond
camera specialty shops, and strengthened our advertising activity. As a result, we exceeded our unit
sales and market share of last year

2017 Q2
In this quarter as well, sales remained strong, particularly for mirrorless cameras. Within this trend,
we grew sales of the EOS M6, a new mirrorless camera that has been highly rated not only for its
high image quality, but also for its compact and lightweight form factor. This camera was designed to
capture demand from people who, for example, are considering a step up to a camera with more
features and better performance. Including this factor, first half unit sales of mirrorless camera grew
more than 70% compared to the same period last year, leading to overall sales growth for
interchangeable-lens cameras.

That should put to bed alot of weird ideas ...

Companies that don't take Canon seriously in mirrorrless (and people) are totally missing canon doing what they do best. making products that people actually want to buy, finding the market and selling it. Or that canon doesn't take mirrorless seriously. Primes don't mean you are taking it seriously. how, where, and what you sell does.

That's why they are #1 in ILC's and trending upwards.

I wouldn't be surprised if by next years, thom and others are saying that canon is #1 in mirrorless.

 

[Etienne]

"You aren't part of the target audience either. And isn't it a win for Canon if you end up purchasing an M6?"

- genuine question, not meant as anything other than trying to learn what this is for.. but who is the target audience? I'm curious between this and the g1 mkIII as a potential travel camera, especially if an underwater casing is reasonable (SLR ones are insanely expensive).

like the other mirrorless bodies, I assume the lenses are specific? .. is there an adapter for other canon glass? does it work?

This is Canon's entry-level mirrorless offering for casual photographers, which should be pretty clear. It has minimal ergonomics and minimal advanced (read: complicated) features. It has an almost entirely touchscreen-driven interface - compare to the M5/M6 which have a lot of buttons and dials. One of the primary target demographics of this camera is almost certainly "Asian women" who are known to buy cute small cameras by the bucketload. One of the main use cases for this camera will be selfies.

Your imaginary target audience has already learned they can use smartphones.

Somebody explains why this camera isn't right for them, batteries, whatever, and you scold, "You aren't right for this camera." Nice exchange there. I get soooo snippy when I drink Red Bull.

Red Bull is gross.

But back on topic, some of us are saying the M100 will sell well to casual photographers. You and Etienne are saying it will sell poorly, because those people are using smartphones and more serious photographers will reject it because of the battery. When it sells well (as it almost certainly will, because the Eos M line has been very successful in recent years), will you admit you were wrong and it wasn't targeted at you?

YLer is right - Canon didn't intend most of us here to be interested in the M100. You do understand that not every product is targeted at every consumer, right? So the M100 isn't right for Etienne - that's fine. The 1DX2 isn't right for me, no matter how much I drool. That doesn't mean I come here and complain that it's too big and heavy for my purposes.

I never said it would sell poorly. I don't know, and I don't really care how well it sells. I said battery-incompatibility with some of my other cameras makes it a non-starter for me. That's pretty much all I said. Evidently there are other people in my position as well. But I might have considered it as a cheap spare if it used the LP-E17 . That's the whole story.

 

[okaro]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

I has the same battery as M and M10. That makes me more willing to get it as there will be no need to buy new spare batteries. LP-E17is not even available as third party ones (at least was mot when I last checked)

 

[YuengLinger]

I'm keeping a sharp eye out and camera ready for those "Asian women" buying "cute small cameras by the bucketload." Going out for the night, checklist, hmmm, purse with wallet, compact, lipstick, smartphone, and a "bucketload" of M100's. Little black dress, high heels...I'm on the lookout!

;D

 

[neuroanatomist]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

I has the same battery as M and M10. That makes me more willing to get it as there will be no need to buy new spare batteries. LP-E17is not even available as third party ones (at least was mot when I last checked)

Indeed, I have three LP-E12 batteries – an extra I got with the M (which died) and the one that came with the M2. I'm ordering one extra LP-E17 for my M6.

The LP-E12's will still be used, since I'll hand the M2 down to my older daughter.

 

[nads]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

You think Canon cares? You never were the target audience of this camera. People are such egoists...

Lets check some boxes:

Currrent M5 owner
Former M and M3 owner
Ordered M3 from Amazon Japan and Tenso freight forwarder when it wasn't available in US at launch
Needs 2nd body as backup
Wants more compact body for ease of carry when phone might become the fallback
Wants more simple body again for wife to use because she cant keep her fingers of exposure dial
Understands fully the size advantage the original M had
Understands fully the performance gap between the previous M, M2 and what this will offer.

You're right... totally not the consumer Canon was looking for.

By the way, not egoist at all. Using the newer battery with better battery meter communication and 20% greater capacity and tremendously improved safety circuit is an advantage to all buyers. Using a battery that is also used in multiple active products in the lineup is also an advantage to many. On the other hand, using a lesser performing battery that is only in legacy products that are made near-obsolete by the purchase of this camera is of benefit to very few.

The funniest part about not being the consumer Canon was looking for is that you can find my posts on this forum from before the M5 was even released asking for exactly this design.

 

[LonelyBoy]

LP-E12? Are you kidding me? This was an easy sell as a compact 2nd body until it used a different battery than the M5 or M6. Now there's 0% chance I pick it up.

You think Canon cares? You never were the target audience of this camera. People are such egoists...

Lets check some boxes:

Currrent M5 owner
Former M and M3 owner
Ordered M3 from Amazon Japan and Tenso freight forwarder when it wasn't available in US at launch
Needs 2nd body as backup
Wants more compact body for ease of carry when phone might become the fallback
Wants more simple body again for wife to use because she cant keep her fingers of exposure dial
Understands fully the size advantage the original M had
Understands fully the performance gap between the previous M, M2 and what this will offer.

You're right... totally not the consumer Canon was looking for.

By the way, not egoist at all. Using the newer battery with better battery meter communication and 20% greater capacity and tremendously improved safety circuit is an advantage to all buyers. Using a battery that is also used in multiple active products in the lineup is also an advantage to many. On the other hand, using a lesser performing battery that is only in legacy products that are made near-obsolete by the purchase of this camera is of benefit to very few.

The funniest part about not being the consumer Canon was looking for is that you can find my posts on this forum from before the M5 was even released asking for exactly this design.

And yet, by making the battery choice they did, Canon clearly did not intend the M100 to be a companion to the M5. Even if you would have liked an M100 with the newer battery, that does not mean Canon intended to persuade you to buy one. They'd intend you to buy an M6, with the shared battery. The M100 is mostly for people who haven't used other ILCs, or only the M1-M3. Clearly, because it's clearly a successor to those.

"Egoism", by the way, is clearly an issue. You want a camera like this (with a different battery) but you won't buy this one so clearly Canon failed because clearly their goal was to sell to you and you won't buy. See all those "yous"? That's egoism in a nutshell. I won't buy one of these either... but I'm not throwing a tantrum because it doesn't hit my needs perfectly, because I understand that not every product has to appeal to me.

 

[rrcphoto]

Using a battery that is also used in multiple active products in the lineup is also an advantage to many.

M5 owners have the M6 as a capable and similar backup.

the M100 may be further "nerfed" down the line if the M10 is any indication making it hardly usable as a backup option. So M5 users have a choice. Good lord the batteries are small enough and you can get small USB chargers that take up no room as well. It's really not that much of a problem - but have to complain about something I guess.

People upgrading from the M, M2 or M10 would like to use their same batteries. there's more of them I would guess than people wanting a spare "M" camera as a backup, that would choose a more dumbed down version of the M's versus the M6.

So what's more important? people wanting a second body for a backup or people upgrading? Because you can't please BOTH groups with one battery selection.

Try having a sigma Merrill camera and then see if you complain about batteries. that camera when you have to carry 5 to 10 spare batteries gives you a sense of perspective