High ISO Samples from the Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[pleasehelp]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

Non of the raw files there are above 250 ISO, with one 400 ISO jpeg.
Nothing there to evaluate "high" ISO performance.

Leigh

But you agree?

Is there really no increased quality around 100-400 ISO after so many years?
I have a 550D and i see no difference at all.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

 

[pleasehelp]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

LOL to be honest i have no clue what you are talking about im just using the cameras to take pictures.

I looked at the images, compared them to my own shots and i SEE nothing that looks better. :-[

Not colors, not details, not sharpness, not noise.

 

[mackguyver]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

To my eyes, the squirrel at ISO 3200 looks at least one or even two stops better than the 7D, but the ISO 6400 cityscape looks like the image is falling apart with very aggressive NR. Usable ISO 3200 would really make this a great wildlife camera.

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

 

[distant.star]

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Hey, hey, think before you post!!

The idea here is to ROUSE the RABBLE, not calm them down. You and your constant resorting to reason!! You're going to ruin all the fun around here!

Exactly, I love it when people don't bother to even go to the original site. This was shot on the floor of the Photokina trade show. Clearly, what happened was the guy got to hold the camera for a few minutes, stuck a card in it and fired off a few shots of a nearby model.

Still, the results do see quite good. Even if it is a jpeg, it would seem the camera's processing is pretty impressive at a minimum. Whether it's the "new" sensor or the new processing, it really doesn't matter, the results are definitely quite good and much closer to 5DIII standards than most people, if they are honest, would have expected.

 

[takesome1]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

LOL to be honest i have no clue what you are talking about im just using the cameras to take pictures.

I looked at the images, compared them to my own shots and i SEE nothing that looks better. :-[

Not colors, not details, not sharpness, not noise.

Pleasehelp you may be right. Did you try zooming in at 800x and comparing each pixel side by side to see which is better?

Didn't you know that at the pixel level only matters.

 

[takesome1]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

To my eyes, the squirrel at ISO 3200 looks at least one or even two stops better than the 7D, but the ISO 6400 cityscape looks like the image is falling apart with very aggressive NR. Usable ISO 3200 would really make this a great wildlife camera.

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

The squirrel I wonder if it is PP with noise reduction already applied?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

LOL to be honest i have no clue what you are talking about im just using the cameras to take pictures.

I looked at the images, compared them to my own shots and i SEE nothing that looks better. :-[

Not colors, not details, not sharpness, not noise.

It won't have the vertical bands across all tonal ranges that many 7Ds had it seems. And, deep shadows at lower ISO pulled should be much freer of banding and fixed pattern noise it seems.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

LOL to be honest i have no clue what you are talking about im just using the cameras to take pictures.

I looked at the images, compared them to my own shots and i SEE nothing that looks better. :-[

Not colors, not details, not sharpness, not noise.

Pleasehelp you may be right. Did you try zooming in at 800x and comparing each pixel side by side to see which is better?

Didn't you know that at the pixel level only matters.

ha ha, so funny, wow you really got me

 

[takesome1]

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

I might see a difference when pixel peeping but it´s sure not breathtaking.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiGALLERY.HTM

Taking a hurried peak, it seems like the gain vertical banding issue of the 7D may be entirely gone. It's hard to tell because the 7D2 has such a small black outer frame area in the RAW and none of the shots are close to lens cap shots, but there is a chance they got rid of all or nearly all of the offset banding at low ISO all together. So that is the very good and impressive news.

The bad is that the random read noise still shows no improvements since 2007 whatsoever, as far as I can tell. It seems like it will be extremely close to the exact same DR as the 7D. The read noise might even be a touch higher than on the 7D. Not quite sure yet, didn't locate quite the proper 7D file or my old numbers. Without the banding, the effective usable DR should be higher though.

LOL to be honest i have no clue what you are talking about im just using the cameras to take pictures.

I looked at the images, compared them to my own shots and i SEE nothing that looks better. :-[

Not colors, not details, not sharpness, not noise.

Pleasehelp you may be right. Did you try zooming in at 800x and comparing each pixel side by side to see which is better?

Didn't you know that at the pixel level only matters.

ha ha, so funny, wow you really got me

I think it may have gotten all of us on this site.

 

[mackguyver]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

To my eyes, the squirrel at ISO 3200 looks at least one or even two stops better than the 7D, but the ISO 6400 cityscape looks like the image is falling apart with very aggressive NR. Usable ISO 3200 would really make this a great wildlife camera.

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

The squirrel I wonder if it is PP with noise reduction already applied?

I can't tell you for sure, but generally these are taken as in-camera JPEGs and the EXIF data looks to be from the camera, not a photo editor.

Also, here's a better link, directly to Canon:

OFFICIAL Canon (Japan) 7DII Photo & Video Samples

 

[ScottO]

Anyone trying to open the raw files from Imaging Resource try Perfect Photo Suite. Works for me then saved as a psd.

 

[takesome1]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

To my eyes, the squirrel at ISO 3200 looks at least one or even two stops better than the 7D, but the ISO 6400 cityscape looks like the image is falling apart with very aggressive NR. Usable ISO 3200 would really make this a great wildlife camera.

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

The squirrel I wonder if it is PP with noise reduction already applied?

I can't tell you for sure, but generally these are taken as in-camera JPEGs and the EXIF data looks to be from the camera, not a photo editor.

Also, here's a better link, directly to Canon:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos7dmk2/

I don't think it is PP, neither the squirrel or the bird are critically sharp IMO.
Both look like they were just taken in one of the base formats as a jpeg and a bit of sharpening and noise reductions might do wonders.

 

[mackguyver]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

To my eyes, the squirrel at ISO 3200 looks at least one or even two stops better than the 7D, but the ISO 6400 cityscape looks like the image is falling apart with very aggressive NR. Usable ISO 3200 would really make this a great wildlife camera.

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

The squirrel I wonder if it is PP with noise reduction already applied?

I can't tell you for sure, but generally these are taken as in-camera JPEGs and the EXIF data looks to be from the camera, not a photo editor.

Also, here's a better link, directly to Canon:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos7dmk2/

I don't think it is PP, neither the squirrel or the bird are critically sharp IMO.
Both look like they were just taken in one of the base formats as a jpeg and a bit of sharpening and noise reductions might do wonders.

I think the squirrel looks pretty amazing for a crop sensor at ISO 3200 and as you say, with some PP (DxO PRIME ideally along with some sharpening) it would be a very usable shot.

 

[Besisika]

I'd certainly hope for some ISO improvement after all these years. Images taken at high ISO in good lighting almost always look good. The challenge comes in low light images where blue light levels are usually weak. Since blues are the weakest, the gain is boosted a extreme amounton the blue channel, and noise becomes a issue. DPR takes sample images at low light levels using incandescent lamps. That's the real test of high ISO performance.

I reviewed some of my ISO 3200 images from my 7D, and found a lot of detail gone, so these are definitely far better.


Imagine if this were full frame! I'm sure they are holding back the good stuff for the 5D MK IV.

+1, high ISO in daylight means no much to me.
It would be nice if they add 4K on it too (together with the good stuff). I really miss that on this new 7D.

 

[3kramd5]

Indeed. And just think what a field day those folks will have after DxO's BS comes out.

See there you go again. You mock 'DRoners' and object to being called a fanboy, but then you just flat out go around calling everyone on DxO BS even though you know that is not true. It's one thing to say that not everyone will shot a lot of high DR scenes and that some won't care, it's another thing to try to sneak in as many statements as possible to make even DxO's raw plot numbers seem like BS.

When Neuro says "DxO's BS," he's invoking the acronym "biased scores," not the one you're thinking of. The raw plot numbers aren't a consideration, just the umbrella scores with undisclosed criteria (such as weighting, aka bias).

 

[sdsr]

Okay, finally found some real samples:

Cameraegg Canon EOS 7D Mark II Sample Images & Movies

EDIT: These are from the Canon Japan website and are damn impressive (as you'd hope). The ISO 100 performance and sharpness of the 85L portrait is amazing. They must have really optimized the low pass filter (like they did in the 5DIII) as well.

I wonder if the second one there is a response of sorts to the third one here:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/sample01.htm

 

[Sabaki]

Why does it seem that the only satisfaction some will get is hearing that the 7Dii is a huge fail?

There was a whole 'language' pre-announcement about how it's not going to make the grade and now that it's official with some sample images, disbelief that it could actually deliver.

I'm stumped.

 

[sdsr]

Someone that many would call a competent photographer posts a series of images, of which a substantial fraction are out of focus and criticising the camera is baseless trolling?

So what would you like to blame for the focus problems:
* The camera
* The model
* The lens
* The photographer

Why speculate at all? For all we know, people milling about around him kept bumping into him at awkward moments, or the model kept moving, or.... What's odd isn't so much that some of the photos are duds as that anyone should have thought the bad ones worth publishing in the first place.

 

[mackguyver]

Why does it seem that the only satisfaction some will get is hearing that the 7Dii is a huge fail?

There was a whole 'language' pre-announcement about how it's not going to make the grade and now that it's official with some sample images, disbelief that it could actually deliver.

I'm stumped.

I can only guess that it's from negative people OR from those of us with 1D Xs wondering if the 7DII hoping that the 7DII really isn't this good!