High ISO Samples from the Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[drift juice]

Bet there was nothing wrong with the AF. Probably because the shots Matt took was with a 100L macro that they were OOF. Still on the fence if I'm gonna pre order though

 

[9VIII]

So there's this thing called "single shot autofocus", it sets the focus and waits for you to fully press the shutter button. Sometimes the subject moves between setting the focus and you pushing the button.

The focus in these pictures says absolutely nothing about the performance of the system.

Don't you get it? If any 7DII, anywhere, misses a single shot then the camera model sucks. Even if it never misses a shot, Nikon has better DR, Samsung has higher fps, Sony has spiffy names for AF functions, and Pentax has colored LEDs on the outside, and so the 7DII still sucks. Just like every Canon camera. To be fair and impartial, Canon does have a couple of okay lenses. But that doesn't make up for anything.

Try to think like a troll for once, will you??

I think you're right, I can't believe I was being so foolish.
What we really need is a camera that doesn't let you take a bad picture, something that automatically chooses the best focus and tells you what pictures are good.
And such a camera exists! It even shoots 10fps, and it selects the best image in a burst for you! Because it only offers you its favourite picture, by definition you can't take bad pictures with this camera, use this and you'll never see another crappy shot again!
You can be extra sure it's good because this camera is chosen by more people and has taken more photographs than any other in history.
I give you, the best camera ever (for trolls).
http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/cameras/

 

[Zv]

Wow some people must have really high expectations from Matt Granger for him to be able to just pick up a camera he's never even seen before or even existed before that point and to then be handed it and given a short (a minute or two?) time to get a 100% hit rate in conditions he has has no control over? Well he didn't manage that so the only conclusion can be - that the camera is a dud? Because MG cannot miss. Ever. It's not even thinkable.

If he's going to pick up a new camera, post pics online to "showcase quality" then he should make the pics worthy of such.

As it is, Matt Granger has posted pictures for click bait and to drive his views up. That's about all that you can say for the images posted.

He posted the pics for review and should have made sure they were ready to be reviewed. He didn't.

Matt Granger is just another click bait fool like Ken Rockwell.

I agree he probably should have known better. I couldn't care less about these sample images. They're just creating more confusion and debate over nothing. The link Steve posted has good samples but I think once the real reviews come in from trusted sources we can start to form our own, (hopefully) more informed opinions.

Until then it's still just a new camera and a spec sheet. I note some that are pre-ordering probably don't give a toss about these sample images and are quite satisfied knowing assuming that Canon have made a decent camera here.

 

[ishdakuteb]

LOL at the trolling regarding the 7D2 AF, first of all the guy was making an informal test of the High ISO SOOC JPEGs from the cam, not its AF performance.

Yes, an informal test, so the results of it should be universally ignored or taken with a grain of salt.

at least he has his gut to post his out of focus image?

What he did wasn't gutsy but a plain grab for attention and clicks.

how about you?

"mine is bigger than yours"? How mature.

1. bigger but useless does not help ... LOL...
2. he is a business guy, what do you expect...

however, i have at least realized that you know very little about how to take images... otherwise, you already take my challenges... if your images are that s*cks, then do not give out comments or try to educate other people about photography after doing some crap research around the internet. if you are that good in technology, then apply for the r&d departments... instead of being so, join forums and keep learning just like some others and i do...

you have not answer my previous question on topic "Do Sensors Make the Camera" and again, be-careful in giving out answer, otherwise, i am going to call you as a guy being born with tofu brain...

... or you want to downgrade to my canon 30d and 50mm f/1.4? again, i guarantee that your images cannot be sharper than mine regardless what camera i use (from canon 30d to modern), certainly not better than any others in this forums, but definitely better than yours...

note: my daughter at a chess tournament, while little one playing crazy chess with her friend... taken with canon 30d and 430ex ii (in single shot mode, not high-speed burst since i hate process of rating images). if admin think what i am talking is not right, let me know and i will delete my post immediately...

 

[ishdakuteb]

If you want me to go and take a sharp picture, sure, I can do that. But what does that prove? Nothing.

Worth of an image is often subjective thus what you and I see as being worthwhile images are likely quite different ...

Probably because I haven't read that post of yours and I'm not likely to either.

Very ordinary look images to me and not only that, boring and meaningless to me. I imagine to you they're important but I couldn't care less about them.

1. yes, you can prove that you are good in understand your camera, photography techniques and technology but i afraid that you can't prove that. if so, search your database and like someone in this forum said, "photo up or shut up". i can stay up and wait for your image(s)...

2. if so, then post your subjective image here and let all members judge (note: do not steal images since, again, i have seen and known number of images on internet.)

3. wrong... your comment was on that post page 6. show me that you are really smart, otherwise, as i have said, born with tofu brain. see given link below:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22364.75 (page 6)

4. again, ordinary look images but does look better than yours... (post your images to show or steal some and let me laugh at it. hint: steal from unfamous site so that i do not know... keep in mind, i recognize images via techniques, themes, contents, etc... i.e. cliff mautner with rim light and using light, jonas paterson via use of colors, soft feelings with strong contents and his choice of aperture...)

 

[Sporgon]

LOL at the trolling regarding the 7D2 AF, first of all the guy was making an informal test of the High ISO SOOC JPEGs from the cam, not its AF performance.

Yes, an informal test, so the results of it should be universally ignored or taken with a grain of salt.

at least he has his gut to post his out of focus image?

What he did wasn't gutsy but a plain grab for attention and clicks.

how about you?

"mine is bigger than yours"? How mature.

1. bigger but useless does not help ... LOL...
2. he is a business guy, what do you expect...

however, i have at least realized that you know very little about how to take images... otherwise, you already take my challenges... if your images are that s*cks, then do not give out comments or try to educate other people about photography after doing some crap research around the internet. if you are that good in technology, then apply for the r&d departments... instead of being so, join forums and keep learning just like some others and i do...

you have not answer my previous question on topic "Do Sensors Make the Camera" and again, be-careful in giving out answer, otherwise, i am going to call you as a guy being born with tofu brain...

... or you want to downgrade to my canon 30d and 50mm f/1.4? again, i guarantee that your images cannot be sharper than mine regardless what camera i use (from canon 30d to modern), certainly not better than any others in this forums, but definitely better than yours...

note: my daughter at a chess tournament, while little one playing crazy chess with her friend... taken with canon 30d and 430ex ii (in single shot mode, not high-speed burst since i hate process of rating images). if admin think what i am talking is not right, let me know and i will delete my post immediately...

Your first two pictures are excellent and proof that we've been able to make great digital images since the early naughtiest. Having said that the 30D was never the best landscape camera and incritical observation produced pretty noisy skies, although to be fair this couldn't be seen in a practical print unless very big.

With regard to the high ISO examples shot by this guy at photokina I'm sure his emphasis was an grabbing some high ISO shots, and let's face it; they are remarkably good, and I'll be fascinated to see some critical low ISO shots too.

Regarding the focus - OK so the camera technology probably isn't yet dilbert proof, but which is ?

 

[ishdakuteb]

LOL at the trolling regarding the 7D2 AF, first of all the guy was making an informal test of the High ISO SOOC JPEGs from the cam, not its AF performance.

Yes, an informal test, so the results of it should be universally ignored or taken with a grain of salt.

at least he has his gut to post his out of focus image?

What he did wasn't gutsy but a plain grab for attention and clicks.

how about you?

"mine is bigger than yours"? How mature.

1. bigger but useless does not help ... LOL...
2. he is a business guy, what do you expect...

however, i have at least realized that you know very little about how to take images... otherwise, you already take my challenges... if your images are that s*cks, then do not give out comments or try to educate other people about photography after doing some crap research around the internet. if you are that good in technology, then apply for the r&d departments... instead of being so, join forums and keep learning just like some others and i do...

you have not answer my previous question on topic "Do Sensors Make the Camera" and again, be-careful in giving out answer, otherwise, i am going to call you as a guy being born with tofu brain...

... or you want to downgrade to my canon 30d and 50mm f/1.4? again, i guarantee that your images cannot be sharper than mine regardless what camera i use (from canon 30d to modern), certainly not better than any others in this forums, but definitely better than yours...

note: my daughter at a chess tournament, while little one playing crazy chess with her friend... taken with canon 30d and 430ex ii (in single shot mode, not high-speed burst since i hate process of rating images). if admin think what i am talking is not right, let me know and i will delete my post immediately...

Your first two pictures are excellent and proof that we've been able to make great digital images since the early naughtiest. Having said that the 30D was never the best landscape camera and incritical observation produced pretty noisy skies, although to be fair this couldn't be seen in a practical print unless very big.

With regard to the high ISO examples shot by this guy at photokina I'm sure his emphasis was an grabbing some high ISO shots, and let's face it; they are remarkably good, and I'll be fascinated to see some critical low ISO shots too.

Regarding the focus - OK so the camera technology probably isn't yet dilbert proof, but which is ?

thanks for encouraging... i am a new learner comparing to many other people in here (less than 3 years of using dslr after my first t3, but i do learn hard, everyday). however, i, for some reason, do like color noise for after 1.5 year of learning. i always de-noise and then add color noise back in photoshop. i sometimes use gaussian, and most of the time use uniform.

the reason i think the new canon 7d mark ii af focus is that good because i suspect something might be relate to IR layer (i might wrong, but the design is proprietary and will not be disclosed by canon). i know some of this application thermal infrared, but not best and cannot talk about it since i have to feed my family

thanks again, looking forward to learn more from many people in this forum and others...

note: that grainy image that you were talking about were taken after seeing this below linked image by jonas peterson:

 

[pleasehelp]

I have a 550D and i see no difference at all.

What difference are you expecting, exactly?

To be honest i wonder first and foremost that i see no difference at all after so many Sensor generations.

I mean is this already the end of what we can expect?
Is there only an ISO improvement from now on?

Well, assuming the 7DII sensor is basically similar to that in the 70D (minor tweaks), you're talking about one generation. One.

Sorry im not up to date.

But that "generations" was of course in reference to my 550D.

Since my 550D, i bought 2010, nothing has happend?

Image quality in my compact cameras has made big steps forward.
When i compare images from my old P&S cameras to todays i immediately see a difference.

When i look at the 7D MK2 pics they look exactly like my 550D images. ???

 

[rs]

I have a 550D and i see no difference at all.

What difference are you expecting, exactly?

To be honest i wonder first and foremost that i see no difference at all after so many Sensor generations.

I mean is this already the end of what we can expect?
Is there only an ISO improvement from now on?

Well, assuming the 7DII sensor is basically similar to that in the 70D (minor tweaks), you're talking about one generation. One.

Sorry im not up to date.

But that "generations" was of course in reference to my 550D.

Since my 550D, i bought 2010, nothing has happend?

Image quality in my compact cameras has made big steps forward.
When i compare images from my old P&S cameras to todays i immediately see a difference.

When i look at the 7D MK2 pics they look exactly like my 550D images. ???

I don't understand what you're expecting to see? Resolution and sharpness are hidden at 1920 pixels wide, DR isn't an issue with lighting like that, and high ISO looks pretty impressive. Other than handling (which the pictures can't reveal), the way the scene is rendered is down to the lens.

Premium compact cameras are getting bigger sensors and faster lenses. This APS-C camera still has an APS-C sensor, and still has access to all the same lenses your camera does. What are you expecting?

 

[pleasehelp]

I don't understand what you're expecting to see? Resolution and sharpness are hidden at 1920 pixels wide, DR isn't an issue with lighting like that, and high ISO looks pretty impressive. Other than handling (which the pictures can't reveal), the way the scene is rendered is down to the lens.

Premium compact cameras are getting bigger sensors and faster lenses. This APS-C camera still has an APS-C sensor, and still has access to all the same lenses your camera does. What are you expecting?

The images i compare too are full resolution.
Don´t know why you think they are only FULL HD?
They are from Imaging Resource as i wrote:

I looked at the images at Imaging Resource and they look just like images from any other Rebel i have owned.

What im expecting.
Well naiv as i am as amateur photographer, better image quality!

Im just puzzled that i look at a new camera and the images look not better than from the camera i already own since 2010.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I find photographers a curious bunch. If I choose to buy a 7DII...why does some one else get all stressed about that? What is it to them? It's my money, no theirs. If I choose to buy a camera with a useful 20mp and an AF system which is world class over another brand which has more pixels but the same frame rate, AF ability, high iso ability and it fits my range of stunning top tier lenses....what is that to them? I couldn't care a stuff if someone else buys a Nikon or Sony camera...so why do they get all huffy about my purchase?
Winston Churchill had a great saying "A fanatic is someone who won't change their mind and won't change the subject"

I think the 7DII is a winner and it'll sell REALLY well. I think Nikon now have a marketing problem, because they have nothing in their portfolio which comes close to this camera.

 

[pleasehelp]

I find photographers a curious bunch.

I would go even further.
Most of them, who take this to serious, are loners, weirdos.

That´s why i normaly stay away from Photograpyh forums.

Now if someone could please answer my question im out in a heartbeat. ;D

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22799.msg440418#msg440418

 

[scyrene]

What im expecting.
Well naiv as i am as amateur photographer, better image quality!

Im just puzzled that i look at a new camera and the images look not better than from the camera i already own since 2010.

What does 'better image quality' mean to you? If "image quality" can be measured objectively (and that's debatable), it surely depends on numerous criteria, some determined by the sensor/processor, some by the lens (and perhaps some by composition, lighting, etc).

Would you expect every aspect of camera technology to noticeably improve with every generation? Some areas will be more mature than others. As far as colour/noise/detail are concerned, I don't expect to see all that much difference - especially in benign circumstances (though hopefully there will be some, at the margins).

Clearly the developers of this camera have focused on other aspects of the image-making process - autofocus and frame rate, especially. Those are critical for getting the shot (for the sort of work this body is aimed at). But even then, you can get great shots with older technology. I think the higher the grade of equipment, the more targeted the improvements will be. They'll give a small edge in critical situations. That would seem most useful to professionals and enthusiasts. I might see the benefit of 10fps vs 6fps, or an extra stop of useable high ISO. The average snapper likely wouldn't.

 

[pleasehelp]

I don´t doubt the 7D MK2 is a way better camera than my 550D.
Im just saying i thought i will notice a difference in image quality too.

At those low ISO pics i have no problems with the noise the 7D MK2 shows.
But the details, colors, sharpness, it all looks exactly the same as on my 550D.

By the way, i am especially unhappy with skin tones on my 550D.
They never look right.
And i have a calibrated and profiled NEC PA271 inch monitor.

 

[takesome1]

I find photographers a curious bunch.

I would go even further.
Most of them, who take this to serious, are loners, weirdos.

That´s why i normaly stay away from Photograpyh forums.

Now if someone could please answer my question im out in a heartbeat. ;D

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22799.msg440418#msg440418

I know nothing of those bodies, I bought the wife a t4i and I can tell you it takes great pics. In my opinion it is a small camera, but then I drag this big pro gear around all the time. Good Luck

 

[takesome1]

...
4. again, ordinary look images but does look better than yours...

Your pictures are family snaps and *to you* I'm sure they look better than anything I'll photograph.

(post your images to show or steal some and let me laugh at it. hint: steal from unfamous site so that i do not know... keep in mind, i recognize images via techniques, themes, contents, etc... i.e. cliff mautner with rim light and using light, jonas paterson via use of colors, soft feelings with strong contents and his choice of aperture...)

Look, let me make this easy for you.

As dull and boring as your images are to me there's no way that I could take pictures as meaningful and interesting as the ones you've taken.

Happy?

Dilbert you should post pics to prove him wrong. Can I ask if you do can you also white balance and color correct so we can have that in the discussion as we'll.

 

[3kramd5]

at least he has his gut to post his out of focus image? how about you? take your best focus camera and try to beat me with my classic canon 7d which number of people in here complain about auto focus... post your similar sharp image like the one below which was taken with canon 7d and 24-105mm f/4...

I like the flower photo - the light is quite nice, but am I the only one who fails to grasp the point you're trying to make with it?

The subject of this thread are some hastily taken photos with questionable focus by a guy who it appears is attempting to drive traffic to his website where he sells stuff.

How is that gutsy? And how did that turn into a sharpness competition?

I don't get it.

 

[Woody]

That said, I'm pretty sure that we'll see an update from Nikon that "competes" with the 7DII within 12 months (probably less.)

Thom Hogan, the Nikon expert, does not seem to think so.

"I'm reminded of those bets with the Canon and Nikon Photokina announcements. Canon has placed another bet on the pro/prosumer crop sensor (7DII), while Nikon keeps betting on a huge variety of FX cameras (D750). Who’s right?

I’d say Canon. My surveys have long shown that a pro crop sensor camera continues to be in strong demand. Meanwhile, Nikon’s FX lineup is now a somewhat confusing mess that doesn’t sort itself out so easy in the minds of potential purchasers. Nikon appears to want everyone to move from DX to FX, despite the fact that such moves will be expensive for the consumer and not necessarily give them something better."

- http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/airbus-versus-boeing.html

 

[ishdakuteb]

Your pictures are family snaps and *to you* I'm sure they look better than anything I'll photograph.

Look, let me make this easy for you. As dull and boring as your images are to me there's no way that I could take pictures as meaningful and interesting as the ones you've taken.

Happy?

1. did i put down photography or i just put down "caputured by"... duhhh... however, you can snap for your whole life, but i bet that you can not deliver the same quality image in low light. and no, i am not the judge of your images, members in this forum will be...

2. then prove it with your full of content images so that i can have a chance to learn more... lol
3. yessss... HAPPYYYYY
4. still have not answer the question about the other topic...

 

[ishdakuteb]

I like the flower photo - the light is quite nice, but am I the only one who fails to grasp the point you're trying to make with it?

The subject of this thread are some hastily taken photos with questionable focus by a guy who it appears is attempting to drive traffic to his website where he sells stuff.

How is that gutsy? And how did that turn into a sharpness competition?

I don't get it.

1. first of all, i would like to thank you for your comment. as you have mentioned, it is all about light hitting the subject, flower and the capibility of delivering all its details at that moment. i took that one at a temple (Bao Quang) very close to my house...

2. well... technically he could sell information via saved logs if he intended to do so but i am not sure whether or not he is going to so since i am not him. however, he does business and i am one of those curious about high iso capability and he is the only one who has those images so i don't mind to give him my information via request information/header

3. sorry, i was not the one who was starting about the sharpness. normally, i just silently and secretly read and learn from this forum as others but this time, like some other times i just cannot stand in the way he has talked...