How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?

[ahsanford]

We've finally seen what are believed to be the final 7D2 specs:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-specifications-confirmed/

So there it is. It's Christmas morning, and you finally got to open your present after ages of speculating. How are you feeling?

- A

 

[Marsu42]

How are you feeling?

I feel excited/fine because it's exactly what I expect from Canon and it doesn't obsolete the cameras I have :->

 

[ULFULFSEN]

who cares about the 7D MK2.... what about the 5D MK IV? ;D

 

[ahsanford]

Marsu -- Agree. To try to do this without waves of questions to vet the usefulness vs. the value vs. the excitement vs. the fanboyism is a fool's errand, but I thought I'd try.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

We've finally seen what are believed to be the final 7D2 specs:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/canon-eos-7d-mark-ii-specifications-confirmed/

So there it is. It's Christmas morning, and you finally got to open your present after ages of speculating. How are you feeling?

- A

It's a week before Christmas and we know we are getting a sweater from grandma... but we don't know what colour it will be or if it will fit...

I am happy to wait for the real announcement.

 

[3kramd5]

"In general, I am excited about the list of specs."

 

[Marsu42]

Marsu -- Agree. To try to do this without waves of questions to vet the usefulness vs. the value vs. the excitement vs. the fanboyism is a fool's errand, but I thought I'd try.

Well, you should have been more precise when posting the poll options as in "In general, I am excited about the list of specs because they're so good" :->

 

[RLPhoto]

How much better can you get a sports orientated cam to be? I mean, I'm no sports shooter but I'd imagine you would be at ISO 400 or higher most of the time to get some DOF and Up the Shutter Speed. ISO performance would be more important than DR in a cam like this. It has the most Advanced AF on paper ever on APS-C, It shoots as fast as a 1D4, it's much lighter than a 1D4, it has awesome Video DPAF and at a price point that's reasonable.

It by all means is a worthy successor to the 7D and will be the semi-pro sports cam to beat.

 

[Random Orbits]

I remember when the 6D specs came out and people lambasted the 6D because it had fewer MPs, worse build quality than the 5DII, etc. Once people had a chance to try out the 6D, then they changed their minds and raved about its advantages over the 5DIII (less noise, -3EV center point senitivity, etc.).

I'll wait for the reviews to roll in before passing judgement on the 7DII. Maybe the sensor is better than the 70D's like the 6D was compared the 5DIII... or maybe not. But none of those improvements are going to be represented by these types of spec lists.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

They are about as expected, a few evolutionary improvements and the 70D sensor plus some firmware features.

The only thing that would be of interest to me is if the dual pixel autofocus is greatly improved so that its a alternative to phase detect for tracking.

I think Canon will show their best stuff next spring in the new FF models.

Still, I can see this camera as a good choice for bird photographers on a budget. The real usable raw high ISO in raw will likely be about 3200, maybe 4000.

Canon gives High ISO capabilities for jpeg with lots of NR. That's not all bad, but its misleading. Nikon is more conservative and rates cameras close to their actual ISO.

 

[Marsu42]

I remember when the 6D specs came out and people lambasted the 6D because it had fewer MPs, worse build quality than the 5DII, etc. Once people had a chance to try out the 6D, then they changed their minds and raved about its advantages over the 5DIII (less noise, -3EV center point senitivity, etc.).

Certainly not me ... for what it's worth, I think the 7d2 is a much better upgrade over the 7d1 than 5d2->6d was. And because it's Canon premium crop model, it might be spared the usual fw crippling like removing spot af 7d->70d.

 

[Loswr]

Good specs, it will sell well. It certainly looks like the best action-oriented APS-C camera on the market today.

I'm impressed with the 65 cross-type AF points.

 

[sagittariansrock]

Good specs, it will sell well. It certainly looks like the best action-oriented APS-C camera on the market today.

I'm impressed with the 65 cross-type AF points.

+1. Question is will it be qualitatively better than the system used in the 5DIII/1D X?
I think having so many AF points in an APS-C format will make it amazing for tracking.
Yeah, a great sports shooter.

 

[ahsanford]

How much better can you get a sports orientated cam to be? I mean, I'm no sports shooter but I'd imagine you would be at ISO 400 or higher most of the time to get some DOF and Up the Shutter Speed. ISO performance would be more important than DR in a cam like this. It has the most Advanced AF on paper ever on APS-C, It shoots as fast as a 1D4, it's much lighter than a 1D4, it has awesome Video DPAF and at a price point that's reasonable.

It by all means is a worthy successor to the 7D and will be the semi-pro sports cam to beat.

I think there is a confluence of matters...

• A belief or perception that Canon's sensors have been lacking to SoNikony on the MP and dynamic range front
• Alpha-fanboys, i.e. young men who needs to have/be/believe/know they have the 'best' tech
• A need for non-Alpha-fanboys to believe that 'their' company is highly innovative
• The fact that the 7D is five years old and we'd all expect things to categorically improve over five years time

...and you have a stew of different people with a beef -- legitimate or otherwise -- that Canon has only incrementally improved the bar when they have the time and ability to do much, much more.

I am far far far less concerned about Canon's innovation reputation or where it sits in some awesomeness pecking order.

What I am concerned is how five years can go buy and all we might see for it is a somewhat ported AF system, +2 fps, +2 MP, and perhaps a stop better (maybe 2?) of low light performance. I'm not disappointed so much as bummed at the lack of 'better' as a function of time.

I hope there is more on announcement day, quite honestly. A new feature, a great tech development, etc. -- we shall see.

- A

 

[mackguyver]

It makes me feel angry and betrayed. Just kidding. In reality it makes me wonder if I want to go back to crop. If it turns out to be a mini 1D X with decent IQ at ISO 3200 and below, I might have to give it a try. I liked the 7D a lot, but the performance at ISO 1600+ just didn't do it for me.

 

[ahsanford]

Good specs, it will sell well. It certainly looks like the best action-oriented APS-C camera on the market today.

I'm impressed with the 65 cross-type AF points.

+1

Despite my rant about the lack of 'new', I admit the AF alone is worth the upgrade. I felt the same way about the 5D2 --> 5D3 AF improvements. For current 7D users shooting sports and wildlife, their keeper rate should see a noticeable bump in the right direction.

- A

 

[dstppy]

Wait, where's the option for "I have an arbitrary bias and will threaten to move to Nikon, but, in reality I'm either not currently with Canon or would never buy/shoot in this price/spec range"?

Or was that "Laughable. On aggregate, these specs are a day late and a dollar short compared to what Canon's competitors are offering."

;D

 

[ULFULFSEN]

the 7D MK2 will sure be a good camera for sport and wildlife photographer.
thought i don´t think it will sell as well as the 7D.

today there are way more options.

when the 7D was release people bought the 7D who did not really need sports/wildlife camera. i mean i bought one.

i see smaller m43 cameras (like the X-T1) eat into the 7D market today.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I still have hope that the sensor has better image quality than 70D, but coincidentally has the same number of megapixels. :

 

[crashpc]

Wait, where's the option for "I have an arbitrary bias and will threaten to move to Nikon, but, in reality I'm either not currently with Canon or would never buy/shoot in this price/spec range"?

Or was that "Laughable. On aggregate, these specs are a day late and a dollar short compared to what Canon's competitors are offering."

;D

This topic might be just about 7D II, but with the release of it, Canon pretty gives good hint on what will 750D and/or M3 look like. I´m looking at 7D II for this reason. I don´t give a duck about FPS and other stuff. Just Canon experience (I´m long term Canon user) and new HW/sensors. If they fail here, there is not likely to be any improvement for other APS-C models-