How does the reveal of the final 7D2 specs make you feel?
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It is good to see they went full hog (most likely, granted the 7D had a lot of AF points, but none of them actually worked as well as any 1 series point, but I trust they went full 1 series quality this time) with the AF. It should be a total beast for reach/action (when not DR limited).
But I have a bad feeling it's just gonna be a slightly tweaked 70D sensor at best.
And 1080p? This cam is supposed to be good for 3-5 years. Soon they will be the only manufacturer without a high-reach 4k cam. A bit ironic that the day SanDisc goes on about the 4k revolution and introducing new 4k optimized cards, Canon comes out with 1080p again.
I kinda fear that JapaneseCanonFanGirlEmployees rumor that Canon has decided people are too locked in and since sales are not yet going horribly, that they can simply get away with knowingly releasing bodies behind other maker's specs.
Panny has 4k out already, rumor is that Nikon may introduce 4k next week. All the other makers have sensors that provide much better DR at low ISO.
Nothing in this cam seems likely to not have been able to have been released 2 years ago other than the new AF (which could've been 5D3/1DX AF 2 years ago). Unless they really did soup up the DPAF AF and it really is so fast that it can assist the phase AF and make the phase AF never miss anymore. That certainly would be something and quite a revolution.
For sensors and video I fear they have simply given up trying for the first case and have decided they'd rather let someone else steal sales away rather than dare cannibalize their own video products at the higher end. That all seems rather BlackBerry and Atari of them. Although I, perhaps foolishly now, still hold out hope that the 5D4 next year will have some updated sensor tech. It is just a bit of a shame to see them cripple out things like 4k video and so on and it leaves on worried that even if the 5D4 delivers 4k it will be crippled a bit and that no 1080p RAW will be allowed either. Canon just seems to a follower for the most part, if even. At least for their bodies.
But I have a bad feeling it's just gonna be a slightly tweaked 70D sensor at best.
And 1080p? This cam is supposed to be good for 3-5 years. Soon they will be the only manufacturer without a high-reach 4k cam. A bit ironic that the day SanDisc goes on about the 4k revolution and introducing new 4k optimized cards, Canon comes out with 1080p again.
I kinda fear that JapaneseCanonFanGirlEmployees rumor that Canon has decided people are too locked in and since sales are not yet going horribly, that they can simply get away with knowingly releasing bodies behind other maker's specs.
Panny has 4k out already, rumor is that Nikon may introduce 4k next week. All the other makers have sensors that provide much better DR at low ISO.
Nothing in this cam seems likely to not have been able to have been released 2 years ago other than the new AF (which could've been 5D3/1DX AF 2 years ago). Unless they really did soup up the DPAF AF and it really is so fast that it can assist the phase AF and make the phase AF never miss anymore. That certainly would be something and quite a revolution.
For sensors and video I fear they have simply given up trying for the first case and have decided they'd rather let someone else steal sales away rather than dare cannibalize their own video products at the higher end. That all seems rather BlackBerry and Atari of them. Although I, perhaps foolishly now, still hold out hope that the 5D4 next year will have some updated sensor tech. It is just a bit of a shame to see them cripple out things like 4k video and so on and it leaves on worried that even if the 5D4 delivers 4k it will be crippled a bit and that no 1080p RAW will be allowed either. Canon just seems to a follower for the most part, if even. At least for their bodies.
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Well, doctor, it makes me feel like when I was a child and mommy told me I was going to school and would have to stay away from her all day.
Well, doctor, it makes me feel like when I was a child and mommy told me I was going to school and would have to stay away from her all day.
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mackguyver said:
+1. The spec tells you nothing about the IQ at ISO 1600. Need a review to see if it has improved to a useable level.
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AvTvM said:it makes me feel ... "i told you so".
Another fairly minimal iteration of a mirrorslapper. So little progress after 5 years. Not even WiFi built in. :
Not to spar with a mirrorless fan (b/c I find mirrorless intriguing), but I don't see many Sony Alpha, Olympus, or Fuji wildlife or sports specialists.
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jthomson said:
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We have no idea what the low light capabilities are. ISO limits are not reflective of noise levels.
My guess is: one stop improvement over the 7D will see many folks get angry (it's been five years!), two stops will have them say "ok, it's an improvement" and three will have them jumping for joy.
My friend is a diehard 7D user who wants the 7D2 ISO 3200 shots to be as clean as his ISO 800 shots are today. That's a reasonable expectation to me.
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ahsanford said:
You know, people complained about the 60D . . . then complained that the 5D mk 2 took too much time to replace, but honestly, though they didn't have 'it all', they were good cameras.
Now we've got a 70D (which is a true successor to a 50D, even from the complainers), the 7Dmk2, 5Dmk3, and 1Dx . . . the only tradeoffs are price. Big Fat Hairy Deal. I got my 5Dmk3 for around $2600 with an aftermarket warranty . . .
Assuming Nikon's stuff is about as good as Canons (or better if you believe some), we've got the best choice of cameras with the fewest drawbacks ever . . . I think people just like to complain.
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At this time, I am interested in 4K+Dual-pixel CMOS AF
However, if the combination DO 400mm F4 + 7D II works well in outdoor daylight sport I might consider it and put my need for 4k aside for now.
I am anxious to see how it works with the Tammy, if the DO is out of my reach.
So, not all doors are closed. It depends on how it performs.
If price is under 2K CAD, I might buy one for my nephew.
However, if the combination DO 400mm F4 + 7D II works well in outdoor daylight sport I might consider it and put my need for 4k aside for now.
I am anxious to see how it works with the Tammy, if the DO is out of my reach.
So, not all doors are closed. It depends on how it performs.
If price is under 2K CAD, I might buy one for my nephew.
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You know, people complained about the 60D . . . then complained that the 5D mk 2 took too much time to replace, but honestly, though they didn't have 'it all', they were good cameras.
Now we've got a 70D (which is a true successor to a 50D, even from the complainers), the 7Dmk2, 5Dmk3, and 1Dx . . . the only tradeoffs are price. Big Fat Hairy Deal. I got my 5Dmk3 for around $2600 with an aftermarket warranty . . .
Assuming Nikon's stuff is about as good as Canons (or better if you believe some), we've got the best choice of cameras with the fewest drawbacks ever . . . I think people just like to complain.
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You know, people complained about the 60D . . . then complained that the 5D mk 2 took too much time to replace, but honestly, though they didn't have 'it all', they were good cameras.
Now we've got a 70D (which is a true successor to a 50D, even from the complainers), the 7Dmk2, 5Dmk3, and 1Dx . . . the only tradeoffs are price. Big Fat Hairy Deal. I got my 5Dmk3 for around $2600 with an aftermarket warranty . . .
Assuming Nikon's stuff is about as good as Canons (or better if you believe some), we've got the best choice of cameras with the fewest drawbacks ever . . . I think people just like to complain.
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I am interested in seeing the reviews. It will be interesting to see how well it does when compared to the 70D and Nikon's offerings.
I had thought they might announce the Rebel T6i at Photokina. I am curious what sensor it will see since the current 18MP one is so long overdue for replacement and the next step up would put it in competition with the 70D (minus the other bells and whistles of course).
I had thought they might announce the Rebel T6i at Photokina. I am curious what sensor it will see since the current 18MP one is so long overdue for replacement and the next step up would put it in competition with the 70D (minus the other bells and whistles of course).
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Yes, Canon is only in the top 5 of companies awarded U.S. patents each year. They don't invent at all. And yes, Nikon had the PDAF in the J1/V1 first, but how well did those sell??? Besides the 70D's dual pixel AF is far more advanced than sticking some PDAF sensors on a sensor (like Apple is now doing).ULFULFSEN said:
I think you might want to give Canon a bit more credit.
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ULFULFSEN said:
No, it wasn't. But...do you understand the fundamental differences between on-sensor PDAF and dual-pixel AF?
The former requires some areas of the image sensor to be dedicated to PDAF, meaning those areas must be filled in by interpolation from neighboring pixels. Of necessity, those on-sensor PDAF points are limited in number.
DPAF uses every pixel covering 80% of the image sensor, no image data are lost, no interpolation is required, and on that 20 MP sensor you have 16 million AF points.
The 'lack of innovation' is a DRone war cry. What they really mean is that Canon hasn't developed the specific thing they are asking for, the myriad of other innovations don't count for anything. Doesn't matter that only a tiny minority of people are asking for that feature, if it's not the specific feature they want, Canon isn't innovating. Sheesh.
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This camera is for sure that what I expected and even a little more.
In good light the 7D is a good performer. However, once you used the AF of the 5D3 or the 1Dx, you see the differences over there. My major issue with the 7D currently is the AF working compared to the 5D3 or the 1Dx. With the last 2, an out of focus picture is rare. The 7D it's AF, which is much better as older APS-C cameras of canon, can't get the same keeper rate as the 5D3 or the 1Dx. To me this new released specification shows at least the same level, and even a probably better AF system compared to the 1Dx. So that's marvelous.
The rest of the spec is what I really expected. Of course the 10fps makes this camera even more attractive to me.
I know some would have expected an increased video performance. I'm glad that Canon really focused this camera as a solution for a APS-C body for sports and wildlife. So I'm very happy they didn't add a lot of specifications for the video users. Please don't understand me wrong, canon might build a body for that area, but the 7D was and will, as the current spec shows, stay an action camera. Speed and accuracy are really important here.
As a sport shooter I will not miss a touchscreen, a turnable and swivable LCD, wifi,....
Low light possibility is a good step forwards compared to the old 7D. Even if it is quite the same sensor as the 70D. I have seen several pictures of a friend out of his 70D, and must honestly tell you I can't get them out of the 7D due to the noise. If even the noise of the 7D2 might be a little step better then the 70D, for instance caused by dual processor power, then also this would be a step forward. I agree, not as much as some expected, but you never can get the noise level of a FF out of an APS-C. Let that be clear. So all the wishful thinking of iso improvement of 2 or even more steps, or being better then a FF is impossible. The difference of noise level between a 70D and a Sony sensor is not that big, and is currently for sure actual.
So this sensor, combined with the other features, and for sure the new AF and the 10fps makes a great, challenging camera for the action shooter. I don't know yet anything about the new AF system performance, but I think that the 1Dx (better on low light) and the 7D2 (perhaps even better on tracking and focusing) might be real competitors. The only other performing camera in this area is the D4s according me. I'm curious to see the first previews of this camera. I'm also waiting to get the right € price and availability, because I want to exchange my 7D with this new action challenger quickly !!!
In good light the 7D is a good performer. However, once you used the AF of the 5D3 or the 1Dx, you see the differences over there. My major issue with the 7D currently is the AF working compared to the 5D3 or the 1Dx. With the last 2, an out of focus picture is rare. The 7D it's AF, which is much better as older APS-C cameras of canon, can't get the same keeper rate as the 5D3 or the 1Dx. To me this new released specification shows at least the same level, and even a probably better AF system compared to the 1Dx. So that's marvelous.
The rest of the spec is what I really expected. Of course the 10fps makes this camera even more attractive to me.
I know some would have expected an increased video performance. I'm glad that Canon really focused this camera as a solution for a APS-C body for sports and wildlife. So I'm very happy they didn't add a lot of specifications for the video users. Please don't understand me wrong, canon might build a body for that area, but the 7D was and will, as the current spec shows, stay an action camera. Speed and accuracy are really important here.
As a sport shooter I will not miss a touchscreen, a turnable and swivable LCD, wifi,....
Low light possibility is a good step forwards compared to the old 7D. Even if it is quite the same sensor as the 70D. I have seen several pictures of a friend out of his 70D, and must honestly tell you I can't get them out of the 7D due to the noise. If even the noise of the 7D2 might be a little step better then the 70D, for instance caused by dual processor power, then also this would be a step forward. I agree, not as much as some expected, but you never can get the noise level of a FF out of an APS-C. Let that be clear. So all the wishful thinking of iso improvement of 2 or even more steps, or being better then a FF is impossible. The difference of noise level between a 70D and a Sony sensor is not that big, and is currently for sure actual.
So this sensor, combined with the other features, and for sure the new AF and the 10fps makes a great, challenging camera for the action shooter. I don't know yet anything about the new AF system performance, but I think that the 1Dx (better on low light) and the 7D2 (perhaps even better on tracking and focusing) might be real competitors. The only other performing camera in this area is the D4s according me. I'm curious to see the first previews of this camera. I'm also waiting to get the right € price and availability, because I want to exchange my 7D with this new action challenger quickly !!!
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I hear you - I'm still madly in love with my 1D X ;D - though it gained a somewhat unsightly growth yesterday in the form of a GP-E1... which I sure hope will works with the 1DX II as well...Dylan777 said:mackguyver said:
Me too ;D
I'm going to sit tight and stand by for 1DX II :
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FEBS said:
It's not just the AF. It's also the sensor. And, IMHO, a camera that only works well in "good light" is not a wildlife camera.
Agreed. The 70D sensor is significantly better than the 7D.
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