Eldar said:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
The thing is you can get an adapted Sony that will offer a lot more dynamic range and only modestly less resolution for a ton less money.
Personally it's clear nothing anyone says matters and they are, as I feared back in 2007, just lost the plot totally, all this talk about kings of the hill who saw no need to do anything.
UNless people boycott any further Canon purchases you'll be stuck with the same old sensor quality for probably another 10-15 years at least. Nothing but a total sales failure for this will make any difference.
If you'd like to be able to use the best lenses (Canon) and not have to deal with a nasty UI/mirrorless landscape only cam to be able to get a top quality sensor paired with them all I can say is boycott Canon and 100% recommend to anyone and everyone to stay away.
Otherwise if you are fine living with the compromise of best UI/best lenses for another decade or two or living with some Frankenstein compromised hybrid Canon/Cano+Sony/etc. then do nothing and buy away.
If you want a shot to have the best lenses paired with the best sensors in a nice generally usable format then boycott the heck out of Canon from this day until they every decide to go to a new fab or partner with someone else. NOTHING else will make a difference. You'll still be seeing the same sensor base used in 2020 and 2025 and maybe well beyond.
I´m in! I had planned to push the order button for both the 5Ds and the 11-24 today, but will do neither.
Instead I am trying to figure out what a Pentax 645z package should consist of. Compared to Hasselblad and Phase One it´s cheap, but still a substantial chunk of money. Next I´ll be looking through my gear, trying to figure out what to sell.
My feeling right now is to limit Canon to action, birds and wildlife and keep my 1DX and current collection of long whites. I may be interested in the next 1DX, but that will be pretty much it.
What a disappointing day ...
Hi Eldar, regarding looking into the 645Z, I went through that over the past 3 or 4 months, and made a purchase a month ago, of a second hand Phase One 645DF+ with the P45+ back. It was an agonizing decision to try and make between the two, as the prices were about the same for a second hand Phase One with a huge CCD sensor at 39MP or a new 645Z with a smaller 50MP CMOS sensor.
For me the Phase One "system" had a lot more going for it than the fixed Pentax.
The Pentax was just a crappy box that took average/good lenses ... but had that great sensor ... and that's all I felt it had going for it. Looking through the viewfinder was like looking down a straw ... it just felt cheap I guess.
The Phase One P45+ had a larger sensor size .... it was a great "basic" camera in how it functions, I didn't need nor want any bells and whistles, the low iso 100 to 800 is fine with me for what I am doing with it.
They take top quality Schneider, Phase One and Mamiya lenses. The viewfinder is HUGE and bright.
The back can fit many other bodies .. and especially for me a Technical body such an Alpa or Cambo ... which in turn take Rodenstock lenes ... and this "SYSTEM" will be my landscape kit as it will smaller and lighter than taking the body with me, certainly smaller than the Pentax BOX. But I will always take my Linhof 617S along with me also.
Aquatech make a water housing for it, which is on order ....
I then have the ability to up grade the backs in future. I'd go an IQ160 next I think...
I see a use for these new 5Ds bodies and still may get one for use in moving subjects, as I still only use single shot for birding/wildlife on my 1D4 anyway .. and of course Canon Glass ... unmatched really .. and that new 11-24F4 all I can say is WOW
So I'd have a look at second hand Phase One prices if you are thinking about medium format, my back only had 1800 on the clock. I am really happy with what it's been producing even though it's only 39MP CCD and they say about 12DR, the sensor size is pretty much TRUE medium format size ... and all this hype about these 5Ds being a rival to MF .. no way, a 35mm FF sensor is a puny 8.6cm2 the P45+ sensor is 18.6cm2 and the newer 50MP cmos is only 14.52cm2 with the IQ160/260 topping out at 21.77cm2