Interview: Canon execs talk EOS RP with Imaging Resource
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It is 100 percent the camera. The weight of the 1DXII helps with stability.
The bottom line here is that mirrorless is better in many situations, DSLRs are better in others. EVFs are better in some situations, OVFs are better in others.
A competent photographer will get amazing results from either, but will often need to use different approaches to get there. I am happy to have both DSLRs and mirrorless.
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It's always hard with these interviews as to whether they really say what's going on or a plausible well rehearsed story for the public. I'm surprised Canon are so far away from a professional camera. I thought they would be targeting early 2020 for the Olympics with it. It maybe that they didn't change course early enough and felt DSLR's would remain king for longer than they think now. This year they've made a big push to mirrorless but made the two easiest full frame cameras they could make. The next easiest would be a high MP equivalent of the 5DSR.
I'd have thought Canon would have been working on full frame cameras even before Sony hit the market with one but may be they waited to see how that was going and judge whether that was a threat.
I'm not sure which part of a Pro camera causes them to have difficulties. You would think a mirrorless equivalent of a 1DX II would have been possible around now. Mirrorless would allow them to have a faster FPS but they could have kept everything else similar. World class focusing on a mirrorless must be more difficult than expected for them. I guess they stake their reputation on their flagship camera and are conservative about rushing it.
They've made a smart near term move with the RP.
It will be interesting if they can built on it with a new flagship camera in the next 12 months.
I'd have thought Canon would have been working on full frame cameras even before Sony hit the market with one but may be they waited to see how that was going and judge whether that was a threat.
I'm not sure which part of a Pro camera causes them to have difficulties. You would think a mirrorless equivalent of a 1DX II would have been possible around now. Mirrorless would allow them to have a faster FPS but they could have kept everything else similar. World class focusing on a mirrorless must be more difficult than expected for them. I guess they stake their reputation on their flagship camera and are conservative about rushing it.
They've made a smart near term move with the RP.
It will be interesting if they can built on it with a new flagship camera in the next 12 months.
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Yeah, it's confusing unless you conjecture that Canon couldn't produce the camera it wanted due to tech constraints, but is planning on doing so in the future.
As a result, I find myself in a funny situation. Recognizing that there is now extreme price pressure in the market, especially for old mount glass and bodies, I've started to sell off a very significant swath of my lenses and bodies to capture back the capital before the prices sink too much (if you watch eBay, they're starting to go down rapidly, also encouraged by retailers and lens manufactures pushing deals to blow out inventory too. Trust me, it's hard to sell a Sigma 85 Art used for the normal used price when Sigma starts selling it for $50 less new). I pre-ordered the R; bought the 50 1.2. So, a week from today I'll have 7 fewer lenses, 3 fewer bodies (a couple were old beaters), and a $2k lens that I can't fit onto a camera that I actually own yet. Funny times. But necessary to preserve the resale value of the collection.
I expect it to be likely that I will have to go for some time with just the RP using some of my new glass, with just one EF body using the few EF lenses I kept, until the pro body comes - which I don't necessarily expect in 2019. It also preserves my ability to throw that capital into a new system if that looks to be necessary. Because of the likelihood of that pro body being a 2020 affair, I'm open minded to things like Panasonic and the new Sigma L mount. Panasonic's SL1 would look pretty good, if Sigma had already come out with its L mount glass. When that happens, probably about the same time Sony is on the Mark IV cycle of its A7R series, things will be interesting.
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If it is an apodization filter, It does not smooth image, it makes the aperture variably transparent, darkening the the borders of out-of-focus circles.
It is also possible to make a lens that does the same without losing light, but it won't be symmetrical. If you use such a design to make pleasant bokeh for far field OOF, you will get donut-shaped near field OOF, and vice versa.
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One thing that I feel like no one has talked about is this helping fund the R&D/engineering costs for the Pro level camera. Everyone is assuming that Canon will sell a boatload of these things, and despite all the criticism, the R seems to have sold a bunch too. All of those sales will help with the R&D costs.
As an example of what I'm talking about, look at Porsche. Their 911 is their flagship, but the money makers for the company are their relatively cheaper SUV's. The Macan was by far their best selling car. All of those sales have given Porsche the freedom to make a lot of really special models that they otherwise weren't able before.
Hopefully that will be the same with Canon. Sell a bunch of R's and RP's to help fund the R&D to make the really good and competitive PRO or Halo cameras. Crossing my fingers.
As an example of what I'm talking about, look at Porsche. Their 911 is their flagship, but the money makers for the company are their relatively cheaper SUV's. The Macan was by far their best selling car. All of those sales have given Porsche the freedom to make a lot of really special models that they otherwise weren't able before.
Hopefully that will be the same with Canon. Sell a bunch of R's and RP's to help fund the R&D to make the really good and competitive PRO or Halo cameras. Crossing my fingers.
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I have used $12 000 glass on an EOS 1000d just last weekend. Just for the heck of it. And to my suprise the photos were stunning! Really stunning. Ok, the light was good and it is no pro full frame with ultra fast focusing and tracking but the point is the photos were really great! A $11 750 difference between body and lens. I bought the R and use my $1 500 to $12 000 lenses it. It works fine. And sometimes even great. The R cannot replace my 7dii but I am happy. But then again I am not the sharpest of the human race!!!!!
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It has been asked for the M50 in the past already, and it is likely that they would have given pretty much the same answer as to 1080p 24p (or silent mode, only automatic or manual 4k video modes, etc.): "That's the best we can do at this price point."
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Good for them, better chance of selling more "Pro" models which are more expensive
But it is still their only choice if they want the smallest possible FF camera (for street for instance) that happens to work perfectly with cheap and small EF glass and it is also not expensive, so it even has appeal for them (but they are also encouraged to go for the more advanced R instead)
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I assume heat was the issue. Canon's sensor and processor tech is pretty old compared to Fuji and Panasonic who can debayer 6k to 4k in a small package with no issue. Canon admitted before that the crop on the other cameras was to reduce heat(and probably rolling shutter). Some have said that Canon told them in interviews that the RP was limited to 24p in 4k due to heat.
I can understand those hardware limitations, but the real head scratcher is why remove 1080 24fps, limit EF-S lenses to 4K and 720(no 1080) and removal of most exposure modes from the video modes?
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If the 4k DPAF is a hardware limitation (which I don't think based on their M50 interview) in that case, no EF-S 1080p can also be explained with hardware, it would be downsampled from the cropped 4k image (just like the EOS R), and that coupled with an IPB codec, is more processing intensive than just writing it in 4k and compressing that straight away. They don't have a separate line-skipped 1080p crop mode (why would they, get an M50, it would be much better than the RP for that, but 720p is also a waste of programming time)
Actually, apart from the A7S series in up to 1080p 30p, I think all Sony cameras have line-skipped 1080p video (which is also much weaker) they only downscale to 4k and not 1080p.
The EOS RP does still have a fast UHS-II SD interface, so it could certainly be hacked to provide more high-end video stuff, but a fairly new processor with the new CR3 Raw format, I really don't think it will go anywhere, while this is still relevant.
Compressed Raw option is actually very good here, but no M50 hack in sight to have anything from the past as a solid base.
There are some promises for the EOS R...we'll see I guess...
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Tried the R at some local camera store, the evf still feels disconnected to the reality maybe due to the artificial lighting that I see flickering with evf.
And for low light performance I always believe with same sensor tech a dslr will always be better, as you don’t get the heat noise build up when always in live view high gain for the EVF use, I rarely shoot astrophotograph but when I occasionally do, the amount of long exposure noise is significant compared to normal night shots
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I do somewhat agree on the EVF, but really don't see any difference in noise if I use the 6DII in Live-View of full-DSLR mode, so I guess the latter is not significant maybe because for view mode, not all of the pixels are utilized unlike with a long exposure which collects information from the whole sensor so there is a definite increase of noise there.
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It’s likely and that was my prediction -see photo
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