Looking or an Fullframe SLR - Your Experience needed
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The 6D is certainly very nice, my only disappointment is the ugly moiré in video. I also haven't noticed the supposedly improved -3eV focusing compared to the 5D3's -2eV - it seems to handle almost identically in very low light.
I would question using a 64G card for stills. That's a LOT of eggs in one basket.
I would question using a 64G card for stills. That's a LOT of eggs in one basket.
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I have a 6D. It is perfect for landscapes. Great sensor, ergonomics, image quality. The centre sensor is all I need, and it's bang on night and day. (I've used Sony apsc/full-frame, and Pentax apsc in past.) All the benefits of the 5D are lost in landscape shooting (and a whole lot of other shooting too, except action shooting).
I prefer the 6D because it's the lightest full-frame DSLR going - easy to use, easy to carry. Perfect grip. I have one extra battery - if you merely want the grip for the batteries and not for vertical hand-held shooting, why a grip for a tripod? Bulk. You should still be able to change batteries even with most tripod plates on the bottom.
I have a Velbon Ultra Lux iL tripod. It fits in a small case and is light. 100 bucks used. I can take 1-minute night shots with no shake with the 6D (70-200/f4 is my biggest lens). But if you want a big heavy tripod to carry around, go for it. Though, if you have a Sigma 50-500 or something, then you'll want to get a sturdy enough tripod that works with that.
I've had Lexar, Transcend and Sandisk cards. All of them could fail. All of them are reliable though with good warranties. Flip a coin and buy the fastest, largest, cheapest one that's on sale (and get more than one - safer with two 32s than one 64). If forced to decide, I'd probably choose Sandisk. Sometimes have had formatting hiccups with Transcend.
I prefer the 6D because it's the lightest full-frame DSLR going - easy to use, easy to carry. Perfect grip. I have one extra battery - if you merely want the grip for the batteries and not for vertical hand-held shooting, why a grip for a tripod? Bulk. You should still be able to change batteries even with most tripod plates on the bottom.
I have a Velbon Ultra Lux iL tripod. It fits in a small case and is light. 100 bucks used. I can take 1-minute night shots with no shake with the 6D (70-200/f4 is my biggest lens). But if you want a big heavy tripod to carry around, go for it. Though, if you have a Sigma 50-500 or something, then you'll want to get a sturdy enough tripod that works with that.
I've had Lexar, Transcend and Sandisk cards. All of them could fail. All of them are reliable though with good warranties. Flip a coin and buy the fastest, largest, cheapest one that's on sale (and get more than one - safer with two 32s than one 64). If forced to decide, I'd probably choose Sandisk. Sometimes have had formatting hiccups with Transcend.
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Much thanks for all postings!
I own following lenses for landscapes: 12-24 4 Tokina, Canon 28-70 2.8L, 50mm 1.8 (the others are >70mm)
I am looking to get an 24mm 2.8, or are there other lenses that i should buy? (I do not have the money to get an Zeiss or another extraordinary expensive lenses.)
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Dani
I own following lenses for landscapes: 12-24 4 Tokina, Canon 28-70 2.8L, 50mm 1.8 (the others are >70mm)
I am looking to get an 24mm 2.8, or are there other lenses that i should buy? (I do not have the money to get an Zeiss or another extraordinary expensive lenses.)
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Dani
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TheAshleyJones said:
There is no rule that each and every card must fail some day in their lifetime. Therefore having many "baskets" only increases the chance of failure. Switching cards adds even more risk to the mix. You can get your images corrupted by accidentally touching the SD card contacts, or dropping it in unfortunately nasty places
.For more safety 6D offers a WiFi data transfer connection, so you can "seal" the card door and never use it again, if you like
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Indeed there will always be something new 'just around the corner', but in this case I don't think you'll hear the announcement for several months yet (the big shows for photography/electronics are usually between now and october) and hopefully a realistic availability date of Christmas.
Will be a six month ride, but I personally would say hold off. I think it will be worth the wait. If you have nothing right now, get an EOS M.
Will be a six month ride, but I personally would say hold off. I think it will be worth the wait. If you have nothing right now, get an EOS M.
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daniela said:
My only must-have landscaping lens suggestion would be the Samyang 14/2.8 UMC. Because it is a killer lens for the price and you don't really need AF for 14mm. Other than that, any sharp lens should do.
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daniela said:
+1 to Drizzt321. Also, I have used UHS-1 of various speeds, the UHS-1 standard simply specifies a minimum standard. There is a noticable speed difference even just saving/viewing stills with a faster card. Cost does of course increase with the faster speed, so it depends upon need and budget.
I'm happy with my 6D for landscape and sometimes dark interiors.
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AcutancePhotography said:
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I always carry a spare. I keep GPS on, Wifi off and mainly use the optical VF - and the battery seems to drop fast. Using Live view will suck power too, I keep it to a minimum.
Good advice on the OEM battery, the 6D is unhappy with third party batteries. I have one which the camera now refuses to recognise, so replaced it with OEM at higher price.
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ecka said:
He can sell that Tokina crop-only lens to fund some other. If 14mm is too wide, I'd suggest 24/2.8 IS USM as a hidden gem. Combined with 6D, it's almost "pocketable"
From 5.6+ it's very sharp even to corners. Or wait till summer for the 16-35/4L IS USM, which seems so far as a perfect Canon landscape zoom lens.
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BLFPhoto
Canon EOS user since '91...
6D. No Grip. Carry extra battery. The one battery should get you an entire day's worth of landscape shooting, though.
My lightweight running kit is a 6D, 40mm f/2.8, 17-40L, 135L and a Joby flexible tripod, with a couple of cards, a brush, and lens cloths all in a Lowepro Flipside 10L. I can run all day with that (not kidding...have run 6 and 7 hour runs with it!) and have all that I need in remote places to take great landscapes and running action shots. I use the 6D over the 5D Mk III due to the built in GPS and wi-fi. Anyone who tells you you can't shoot action with a 6D is wrong. Yes, there are limitations that only my 1D Mk IV with a 300mm f/2.8 will answer. But this isn't about limitations...this is about freedom of movement and total capability. If I really want some serious landscape shooting, I'll toss in my grad ND filter kit. Sometimes I'll toss in a 580EX II with a pocket wizard flex system when I'm shooting runners on trails, but that gets a bit tight and heavy in that pack.
The 6D is a fantastic camera in a landscape and mild lifestyle shooting role. The AF module may give up a lot next to the 1D or 5D Mk III, but I've found it more than adequate in sports tracking situations, though usually using just the center point. For landscape, this will not be a limitation. If your composition has a main focal point outside the focus points, just use live view as someone noted. This is probably the preferred way to shoot a considered image like a landscape these days, in my view. I use the viewfinder when I have people in the shot. Otherwise I'm tethered or using the live view LCD.
Grab a couple of fast 32Gb or a 64GB card and call it a day. My 64GB card gives more than 1999 RAW photos on my 6D. Heck, I'd probably have a hard time filling up the 32GB backup card on a day on the trails. I just don't run through cards like I do when I'm shooting high speed bursts on the 1D or 7D.
My recommendation is to forego the grip unless you're doing a lot of people shooting. As someone noted, it makes the camera less stable on a tripod. And the alternate hand position just isn't necessary in landscape shooting. It's one of the last things I'd think about given your shooting parameters.
And don't underestimate the little 40mm pancake as a single super-lightweight package on the 6D. Sometimes I will go out with that and nothing else. It's pretty fantastic for landscape and street shooting, working within the limitations of the single focal length.
My lightweight running kit is a 6D, 40mm f/2.8, 17-40L, 135L and a Joby flexible tripod, with a couple of cards, a brush, and lens cloths all in a Lowepro Flipside 10L. I can run all day with that (not kidding...have run 6 and 7 hour runs with it!) and have all that I need in remote places to take great landscapes and running action shots. I use the 6D over the 5D Mk III due to the built in GPS and wi-fi. Anyone who tells you you can't shoot action with a 6D is wrong. Yes, there are limitations that only my 1D Mk IV with a 300mm f/2.8 will answer. But this isn't about limitations...this is about freedom of movement and total capability. If I really want some serious landscape shooting, I'll toss in my grad ND filter kit. Sometimes I'll toss in a 580EX II with a pocket wizard flex system when I'm shooting runners on trails, but that gets a bit tight and heavy in that pack.
The 6D is a fantastic camera in a landscape and mild lifestyle shooting role. The AF module may give up a lot next to the 1D or 5D Mk III, but I've found it more than adequate in sports tracking situations, though usually using just the center point. For landscape, this will not be a limitation. If your composition has a main focal point outside the focus points, just use live view as someone noted. This is probably the preferred way to shoot a considered image like a landscape these days, in my view. I use the viewfinder when I have people in the shot. Otherwise I'm tethered or using the live view LCD.
Grab a couple of fast 32Gb or a 64GB card and call it a day. My 64GB card gives more than 1999 RAW photos on my 6D. Heck, I'd probably have a hard time filling up the 32GB backup card on a day on the trails. I just don't run through cards like I do when I'm shooting high speed bursts on the 1D or 7D.
My recommendation is to forego the grip unless you're doing a lot of people shooting. As someone noted, it makes the camera less stable on a tripod. And the alternate hand position just isn't necessary in landscape shooting. It's one of the last things I'd think about given your shooting parameters.
And don't underestimate the little 40mm pancake as a single super-lightweight package on the 6D. Sometimes I will go out with that and nothing else. It's pretty fantastic for landscape and street shooting, working within the limitations of the single focal length.
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Hi Danela,
I personally own a 5D3, but i use it for people mostly because it has an excellent AF system.
For landscapes i use an 600D with an ef-s 10-22 and 24-105 which are more than i need. (Live view focus. f/10 f/8, and everything is sharp from corner to corner, and iso locked to 100 (which is preferred also in FF for landscape photography))
If i hadn't a camera, i'd get the 6D without doubt.
- great sensor
- lightweight
and the new 16-35 f/4 IS will make an awesome combo.
Oh.. almost forgot:
i read above about the GPS problems on draining the battery.
There is an "add-on" named tragic latern (similar to magic latern) which makes the GPS sleep, when switching the camera off.
Here is more to it
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/issue/29/gps-auto-off-while-camera-sleeps-or-turned
I personally own a 5D3, but i use it for people mostly because it has an excellent AF system.
For landscapes i use an 600D with an ef-s 10-22 and 24-105 which are more than i need. (Live view focus. f/10 f/8, and everything is sharp from corner to corner, and iso locked to 100 (which is preferred also in FF for landscape photography))
If i hadn't a camera, i'd get the 6D without doubt.
- great sensor
- lightweight
and the new 16-35 f/4 IS will make an awesome combo.
Oh.. almost forgot:
i read above about the GPS problems on draining the battery.
There is an "add-on" named tragic latern (similar to magic latern) which makes the GPS sleep, when switching the camera off.
Here is more to it
https://bitbucket.org/OtherOnePercent/tragic-lantern-6d/issue/29/gps-auto-off-while-camera-sleeps-or-turned
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I have the 6D and like it for landscape. Word of caution: if you decide to go with a grip and want to use an L bracket with it (very handy for landscape), just buy the Canon grip. I made the mistake of buying a third party grip (Vello, I think). Worked fine, but was NOT the exact same dimensions, so would not fit into the Really Right Stuff L bracket for 6D with grip. Sold the Vello, bought the Canon and now all is good.
I leave the GPS on all day when I am out and have never run out of battery (with two in the grip). But I agree with others here: you don't need the grip for landscape, just get the L bracket (in this case, the one for use without a grip) and an extra battery and you will be good to go.
I leave the GPS on all day when I am out and have never run out of battery (with two in the grip). But I agree with others here: you don't need the grip for landscape, just get the L bracket (in this case, the one for use without a grip) and an extra battery and you will be good to go.
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daniela said:
If you want affordable yet versatile (AF, filter), just go for a 17-40L. For landscape, I think an aperture of F2.8 is an overkill. F4 and above is already good unless you are planning to shoot night sky. For that, the cheapest yet excellent option will be the Samyang 14mm F2.8. I'm currently using a 28mm F1.8 but might go for a Samyang soon.
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- As most people said, it's unlikely Canon will release any full frame soon, though there is a serious need for a higher MP /DR camera (for this reason, my next camera will likely be a Sony A7R with adapter for EF lenses). On the other hand, the 16-35mm f4 IS lens was leaked only a few days before its announcement, seems Canon is good at keeping secrets.....
- IMO, no grip is needed for landscape work (you prefer to keep the camera lower on the tripod to limit vibrations), but if you really want one, I'd go for the Canon one, since you'll have a better integration with the camera, plus the 3rd party grip will have zero value in case you want to sell the camera. If you don't have one yet, you should rather invest in a good tripod (cheap ones are just waste of money, an embarrassment and absolutely useless).
- For the SD card, you should consider takind 2x32GB or 4x16GB instead of one 64GB, it's about safety : cards die, and you don't want to lose a fully loaded 64GB card with thousands of pictures on it. With landscape work, you should have time to change your card from time to times.
- Cannot comment about the AF of the 6D, but word is the central AF sensor is excellent. However, it's a non issue for landscape work, as you will more likely use the live view. I work with TS-E lenses who don't even have AF on a 5D2 that has a really crappy AF, and I never considered I needed better AF for my type of work.
Well I guess it all depends how serious you are about your photography, but as an architecture, interiors and landscape photographer, my most important tools are my tripods, and their heads. I could easily do with fewer lenses, but I could simply not work without a good tripod. Here is a few reasons :
- No limitation in speed or F-stop, you can use 100 ISO and pose for 1 minute @ f22 if needed.
- The camera is always perfectly leveled so you do not have to waste half the image with adjusting the horizon later.
- With a cable release and mirror lock-up you can achieve excellent sharpness (no camera shake and carefully adjusted focus).
- Probably the most important, you can achieve perfect framing, since the camera is steady, you can concentrate on what you see, focus where you want, try different exposures, and repeat the process. Take time to check details in the corners, make sure no unwanted item is in you picture and wait for the right moment to press the shutter while keeping a perfectly set frame, composition and light setting.
- IMO, no grip is needed for landscape work (you prefer to keep the camera lower on the tripod to limit vibrations), but if you really want one, I'd go for the Canon one, since you'll have a better integration with the camera, plus the 3rd party grip will have zero value in case you want to sell the camera. If you don't have one yet, you should rather invest in a good tripod (cheap ones are just waste of money, an embarrassment and absolutely useless).
- For the SD card, you should consider takind 2x32GB or 4x16GB instead of one 64GB, it's about safety : cards die, and you don't want to lose a fully loaded 64GB card with thousands of pictures on it. With landscape work, you should have time to change your card from time to times.
- Cannot comment about the AF of the 6D, but word is the central AF sensor is excellent. However, it's a non issue for landscape work, as you will more likely use the live view. I work with TS-E lenses who don't even have AF on a 5D2 that has a really crappy AF, and I never considered I needed better AF for my type of work.
dgatwood said:I'm curious why folks spend that kind of money on a tripod for stills. That's almost as much as I paid for my video tripod with dual handles and a nice fluid head, all of which is massive overkill if you don't need smooth pans and tilts while the camera is live. I'm just curious, speaking as someone who has never shot stills with a tripod that costs more than about forty bucks.
Well I guess it all depends how serious you are about your photography, but as an architecture, interiors and landscape photographer, my most important tools are my tripods, and their heads. I could easily do with fewer lenses, but I could simply not work without a good tripod. Here is a few reasons :
- No limitation in speed or F-stop, you can use 100 ISO and pose for 1 minute @ f22 if needed.
- The camera is always perfectly leveled so you do not have to waste half the image with adjusting the horizon later.
- With a cable release and mirror lock-up you can achieve excellent sharpness (no camera shake and carefully adjusted focus).
- Probably the most important, you can achieve perfect framing, since the camera is steady, you can concentrate on what you see, focus where you want, try different exposures, and repeat the process. Take time to check details in the corners, make sure no unwanted item is in you picture and wait for the right moment to press the shutter while keeping a perfectly set frame, composition and light setting.
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Thank, thanks, thanks!!!
I bought it today. No grip. 2x32GB Extreme pro
Just one question: Which flash? I own the 550EX. The shop assistens told me to buy an 430 or 580. Are they so much better?
I bought it today. No grip. 2x32GB Extreme pro
Just one question: Which flash? I own the 550EX. The shop assistens told me to buy an 430 or 580. Are they so much better?
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Stay with the 6d and enjoy. Use Sandisk or transcend cards and my best 3rd party grip are from vello.daniela said:
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daniela said:
Like all photography equipment questions, it depends. It depends on what you use your flash for, how much money you want to spend and whether you, personally, will garner enough benefit to justify the costs. Since you already have the 550, the cost of staying with it is zero. Therefore you will have to justify 100% of the cost of a new flash in terms of value to you.
I would compare all the features of the 550, 430, 580, and some other flash units. Identify those features that are truly important to you and see if buying another flash unit is worth it. Flashes are not cheap so don't buy one just because there is a newer one on the market. If the 550 does what you need, stay with it.
Good luck with this.
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Are the new generation of flashes much better? What I would be interested, is the wireless function to get the flash off the camera.
I own an cable for that, but this does not work sufficient. (Or: The more true answer ist, that I am not trained enough to use it correctly)
What I will look for in some time, is an ring-flash with a lot of heads, like nikon has.
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Daniela
I own an cable for that, but this does not work sufficient. (Or: The more true answer ist, that I am not trained enough to use it correctly)
What I will look for in some time, is an ring-flash with a lot of heads, like nikon has.
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