Mirrorless Update - APS-C? [CR2]

[Canon-F1]

i guess that´s how the canon mirrorless will look.. more or less:

no honest i think it will resemble more a DSLR then a PEN or GF or a classic camera.

Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.

maybe im different then you.
i go out shooting with my camera i don´t take pictures of my camera.

if the ergonomics are ok, if the image quality is great i would even buy a camera made by ricoh designers. .

 

[Rocky]

APS-C mirrorless from Canon is good news!

Because then there is still a chance for a full frame version.

I will be waiting.

It will be a very LONG wait. I doubt that Canon will do a FF mirrorless system (Body and lenses) within 10 years.

 

[RLPhoto]

Yes. Atleast APS-C!!! Now just package a good 50mm 1.8 Equivalent and im good to go.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

As I've previously (and repeatedly) observed, Canon's mirrorless will bridge (and presumably cannibalize) their high-end P&S line and the Rebel line.

If it's APS-C, it's a given that it'll take EF-S lenses at the least, and the Shorty McForty strongly hints that it'll take regular EF lenses as well. Considering that there won't be a mirror to get in the way and that that's the reason you can't mount EF-S lenses on EF cameras, the new mirrorless being able to mount EF lenses would almost seem to be a given.

I think the only remaining question will be if Canon introduces a new, even more compact lens series that still uses the EF physical mounts but moves even more of the optics farther back into the body. That might let them design something as pocketable as many are clamoring for -- say, a slow kit zoom not much bigger than the Shorty McForty. They might also take this opportunity to introduce in-camera IS to further save on lens size

But, again -- mirrorless will never encroach on the pro line any more than EF-S has. And if the new mirrorless comes introduced with a new lens that can't be mounted on EF-S, then it's guaranteed that there'll never be a Canon mirrorless with any size sensor other than APS-C.

I think the Canon lineup will eventually look mostly something like this:

PowerShot - Pocketable P&S, many many models, no significant change from today
Mirrorless - Replaces G-series PowerShots and all Rebels, 3 - 5 models total
??D - APS-C DSLR, one model, replacing both the 60D and 7D
5D - Full-frame DSLR w/o integrated grip, one model
1D - Flagship model
...plus whatever pro video stuff they do like the 1DC

The interesting questions will be whether they add an entry-level full-frame camera (I'm guessing they won't) and what their insane megapickle camera will be (I'm guessing a 1 series something-or-other that puts the D800 to shame but also costs at least half again as much).

b&

 

[Rocky]

I am sure that the Canon Mirrorless will have it own mount (due to thinner body) with adapter for EF/EF-S lenses. Then the third part manufacturers will come up with adapters for virtually all the 'Classic lenses".

 

[Dylan777]

Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.

you would not buy it.. but i really doubt you can speak for other customers.

you have not done a survey, right?
so you can not even say how many people would prefer a classic look.

the SX1 is no beauty.. but then i find angelina jolie not that sexy either.

We can make quick survey to see how CRs members respond to body design Classic Vs XS1 style

 

[RLPhoto]

Then no one would buy it. The "classic" looks way better.

you would not buy it.. but i really doubt you can speak for other customers.

you have not done a survey, right?
so you can not even say how many people would prefer a classic look.

the SX1 is no beauty.. but then i find angelina jolie not that sexy either.

We can make quick survey to see how CRs members respond to body design Classic Vs XS1 style

Classic Styling anyday.

 

[Rocky]

Mirrorless - Replaces G-series PowerShots and all Rebels, 3 - 5 models total

I doubt that will be happening soon. Not until there is a huge breakthrough in EVF technology (in both performance and cost). The optical view finder on the Rebel beats any existing EVF anytime.

 

[c.d.embrey]

Someone help me out here I can't see what's wrong with the current (and possibly future) lineup of SLRs and P&S cameras.

Thanks

There are some of us who think that DSLR bodies have grown too large. We don't want to lug around a 2.5 lb Pro Body DSLR or a 2+ lb DSLR. My 16.2Mp Sony NEX 5n (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 7.4 Oz. A 24Mp NEX 7 (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 9.3 Oz. Are you starting to get the picture ??? Small light weight cameras that produce high quality files are what we want. The Sony NEX and Olympus OM-D E-M5 (15 Oz) are what many photographers want/need. These cameras may look like toys to you, but they are producing magazine covers and advertising photos. Hopefully the upcoming Canon Mirrorless with be good enough to join the party.

BTW there will be no future P&S cameras, they will be replaced by smart phones

 

[Rocky]

Ergonomic is more important than the style. Out of ALL the existing mirrorless, Leica M9 got the best ergonomics. I doubt that canon will put a Leica style and function view finder on its mirrorless.

 

[Ricku]

APS-C mirrorless from Canon is good news!

Because then there is still a chance for a full frame version.

I will be waiting.

It will be a very LONG wait. I doubt that Canon will do a FF mirrorless system (Body and lenses) within 10 years.

Not really. I think Canon will go for full frame mirrorless sooner than later. If not, then Nikon or Sony will beat them to it.

The demand is definitely out there. I saw a rather big poll at Fred Miranda not long ago, where they asked what people wanted in a mirrorless camera. "Full frame" dominated the poll completely.

And besides, Leica is already standing at the mirrorless full frame hill, taunting the others. We'll see who goes first.

 

[Rocky]

Camera is a personal item. Everybody has his own preference. A lot of people feels that the Rebel is too small and cannot hold it comfortably let alone it is unbalance with a longer and heavier lens. Obviously, a lot of people like it. It is the best selling Canon DSLR. I will not buy a 1D due to the size and weight regardless of the price and some people will feel that anything other 1D is not comfortable for them. Between the 20D and 7D, the 7D has grown only 0.2 inches in length and 0.1 inches in height. For me the 20D size fit me perfectly.

 

[Ale]

As the recent rumors are telling that Canon's DO technology is well and alive, I wouldn't be surprised if they released some DO lenses to the mirrorless lineup to keep lens sizes smaller than they would "normally" be. The current DO lenses are tele lenses only, but I recall reading some other DO patent news of shorter focal lengths.

DO pancake, anyone?

When it comes to body design, I'm betting more on a GX1 style than SX1. We'll see...

 

[dstppy]

Someone help me out here I can't see what's wrong with the current (and possibly future) lineup of SLRs and P&S cameras.

Thanks

There are some of us who think that DSLR bodies have grown too large. We don't want to lug around a 2.5 lb Pro Body DSLR or a 2+ lb DSLR. My 16.2Mp Sony NEX 5n (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 7.4 Oz. A 24Mp NEX 7 (APS-C, 1.5 crop) weighs 9.3 Oz. Are you starting to get the picture ??? Small light weight cameras that produce high quality files are what we want. The Sony NEX and Olympus OM-D E-M5 (15 Oz) are what many photographers want/need. These cameras may look like toys to you, but they are producing magazine covers and advertising photos. Hopefully the upcoming Canon Mirrorless with be good enough to join the party.

BTW there will be no future P&S cameras, they will be replaced by smart phones

See, that's where I don't get it; my wife's 4s is the *only* half way 'keepable' phone camera but it is nothing compared to any of canon's entry-level IS cameras.

The S95 is tiny but I can create better shots out of it than some of the parents with DSLRs at my kids games.

The SX40IS type cameras are super light and get great IQ for the price, which brings me back to the original point:
We're pretty sure this camera's price isn't going to be cheap and nothing is going to be revolutionary on it . . . so is this all just a case of people being excited because at some point in the future they're going to be great?

Is there really anything exciting here or are we talking about Neapolitan Ice-cream where you sorta get a little of everything but there's nothing to really love?

 

[pdirestajr]

Or they could play off of this style of camera with a modern take.

 

[hoghavemercy]

What's the pricing on these?

 

[chito]

Why do people keep insisting that it will use EF and EF-S lenses without an adapter? The flange focal distance for the EF mount is 44 mm... Unless you think the Canon mirrorless will be chunky like the Pentax K-01.. then it will most certainly have a new lens mount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance

 

[RLPhoto]

Or they could play off of this style of camera with a modern take.

THIS WOULD BE AWESOME IN APS-C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[ecka]

I hope not. That will make it not even coat-pocketable.

im not sure if "pocketable" is a concern for canon when it comes to the new mirrorless camera.
APS-C is not the way to go then. the body can be small but as you see on NEX.. the lenses are not.

they will sure try to make it smaller then the SX1... but i would not be suprised when it resembles a bridge/DSLR look.

It will be coat-pocketable if a pancake prime is used. The zooms are too big.

Even 5D is coat-pocketable if a pancake prime is used . However, I wouldn't carry it in a pocket anyways ... a small camera bag is much much better for carrying such expensive and fragile equipment.

 

[infared]

Based on the latest update...the Canon mirrorless sounds like a TOTAL disappointment for this photographer. Canon hit ALL of the points that I do NOT care about....like small size...being the MAIN one. OH well...I will keep Canon around for my FF needs! LOL!