Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]

[bchernicoff]

I hope we get at least a development announcement soon. I've got at least $10k in Canon gear that rarely gets used any more. My Fuji X-T1 is used > 90% of the time now and the two reasons I haven't sold any Canon gear yet are my 400mm 2.8 and hope for something revolutionary in a sensor.

 

[drjlo]

Sigma Foveon sensors have high noise in low light/high ISO situations, so I hope Canon has effectively addressed that problem somehow.

 

[Dylan777]

I hope we get at least a development announcement soon. I've got at least $10k in Canon gear that rarely gets used any more. My Fuji X-T1 is used > 90% of the time now and the two reasons I haven't sold any Canon gear yet are my 400mm 2.8 and hope for something revolutionary in a sensor.

Many would go for 300 & 600 combo. I'm an odd egg in the basket, went with 200mm f2 IS & 400mm f2.8 IS II combo. So far, so good ;D

 

[ariliquin]

Does multi layer mean foveon like or does it mean something else? Seems there are other possibilities with additional filters.

I am a foveon user and can say for some applications it is exceptional and for others terrible. It would be fantastic to see another company push this type of technology beyond its current state. I hope Canon is this company. Maybe Canon does not need to make this type of sensor to be good at everything, just good at specific things. Look at Sony A7r and A7s. Both sell well, yet both are good at different tasks.

Really looking forward to seeing companies take image quality more seriously, by this I mean, eliminating IQ destroying Interpolation and bayer colour filters.

 

[ScottyP]

Does multi layer mean foveon like or does it mean something else? Seems there are other possibilities with additional filters.

I am a foveon user and can say for some applications it is exceptional and for others terrible. It would be fantastic to see another company push this type of technology beyond its current state. I hope Canon is this company. Maybe Canon does not need to make this type of sensor to be good at everything, just good at specific things. Look at Sony A7r and A7s. Both sell well, yet both are good at different tasks.

Really looking forward to seeing companies take image quality more seriously, by this I mean, eliminating IQ destroying Interpolation and bayer colour filters.

I dunno.
"Truer colors" does not blow my hair back, nor does less chromatic aberration (but with monochrome aberrations still there, thus still needing a Bayer filter as stated above??).

And the negatives seem problematic. Lessened frame rate and ginormous files?

And better IQ at higher ISO a is the most important thing for me, but as stated above, Foveon may actually be WORSE rather than better?

 

[Woody]

Finally, a noteworthy rumor. ;D

 

[Diko]

Yep.

We've got an instant CR2 after stupid countdown non-sense from yesterday.

Neuro and I both wrote on that article mentioned.

And both were not happy with Canon staying behind others. As many others in those comments. The main point was the lack of new product features and bold actions from Canon managment in such competitive times.

And today we have FINALLY an (almost) unofficial announcement of new products to come. Such an obvious action seems a little late.

And nobody can't persuade me that there wasn't that call to that member of Canon Explorer of Light who was told to tell to CR about it...

Come on! That's cheap!

 

[bosshog7_2000]

I hope we get at least a development announcement soon. I've got at least $10k in Canon gear that rarely gets used any more. My Fuji X-T1 is used > 90% of the time now and the two reasons I haven't sold any Canon gear yet are my 400mm 2.8 and hope for something revolutionary in a sensor.

Ditto....I have thousands in Canon gear yet these days I find myself shooting with an X-Pro1 and 2 lenses for almost everything. I would love to replace my 5D2 with something worth upgrading to....namely a 5D4 with this rumored new sensor.

 

[Diko]

... I would love to replace my 5D2 with something worth upgrading to....namely a 5D4 with this rumored new sensor.

Just imagine the dual AF and that new sexy sensor .... in MF ;-) What do you think? If this was more than kust daydreaming - prepare thy kidney

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I'm curious if this new layered sensor is the one that uses UV and IR layers to remove skin blemishes. If so, is this next Canon DSLR a replacement for the 1Ds, a studio and portrait camera?

The patent with the UV/IR layers sounded like it was for P&S cams.

 

[Woody]

Completely off-track here but I've a question for Fujifilm users. Doesn't Adobe still struggle with Fujifilm RAW files? I know there are improvements, but they are still not entirely artifact free. So, how does one cope with that?

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Sigma Foveon sensors have high noise in low light/high ISO situations, so I hope Canon has effectively addressed that problem somehow.

And the effective res is a bit lower per processing power and storage space required and they have relatively modest low ISO DR.

If Canon pulls it off well and sensibly than maybe they will show us the impossible and not in a silly marketing way.
It would be cool. We'll see. Not much word on a new fab and this would require some shocking new tech.

 

[Diko]

I'm curious if this new layered sensor is the one that uses UV and IR layers to remove skin blemishes. If so, is this next Canon DSLR a replacement for the 1Ds, a studio and portrait camera?

The patent with the UV/IR layers sounded like it was for P&S cams.

I don't believe that Canon would leave such a strong concept available only to P&S. It can might be also available to security cams.

 

[Woody]

Neuro and I both wrote on that article mentioned...

And nobody can't persuade me that there wasn't that call to that member of Canon Explorer of Light who was told to tell to CR about it...

Come on! That's cheap!

Judging by the numerous grammatical errors in those Adweek comments, I am pretty sure it's not the same Neuro in CR forum. ;D

Also, the Canon Explorer of Light has not revealed anything more than what Maeda said in the DPReview interview. ;D

 

[V8Beast]

And the effective res is a bit lower per processing power and storage space required and they have relatively modest low ISO DR.

So what's the point, then? It sounds like there are lots of drawbacks with the only potential advantage being "truer colors."

Does modest low ISO DR mean worse than current Canon sensors, similar to current Canon sensors, or similar to Canon sensors with the potential for a big DR increase given innovative tech/manufacturing?

 

[pedro]

Looking forward to more information...good hints...meanwhile my 5D3 still rocks.

 

[raptor3x]

Completely off-track here but I've a question for Fujifilm users. Doesn't Adobe still struggle with Fujifilm RAW files? I know there are improvements, but they are still not entirely artifact free. So, how does one cope with that?

I've not noticed any artifacts but X-T1 RAW files processed in LR tend to be very soft.

 

[Woody]

So what's the point, then? It sounds like there are lots of drawbacks with the only potential advantage being "truer colors."

Does modest low ISO DR mean worse than current Canon sensors, similar to current Canon sensors, or similar to Canon sensors with the potential for a big DR increase given innovative tech/manufacturing?

There is another plus: DXOMark won't be able to grade the new sensor, just like they do not test Fujifilm sensors with their unique RGB layout. So, less DXOMark angst in these forums. ;D

As for DR, high ISO performance and AF speed, no one really knows how these will be affected. But if Canon is confident enough to introduce new sensor technology into their top end body, I am sure all these potential drawbacks have already been addressed. Let's hope we do not see a repeat of the 1D3 AF saga.

 

[Good24]

Canon EF 50 f/1.4 IS in 2013 [CR2]
« on: December 12, 2012, 03:00:12 PM »
More non-L primes coming
Expect to see a new EF 50 f/1.4 IS sometime in 2013

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=11586.0

I'm still waiting for my new 50mm despite CR2.

 

[NancyP]

The Sigma Merrill Foveon sensor is cracking good on some subjects in some conditions. Dynamic resolution at low ISO is worse than current Canon, don't bother trying at high ISO because the noise is awful. If the light is good or you have your camera on tripod with a non-moving subject, and the contrast is not excessive, the files are amazing. Yes, the camera writes files slowly, but as I use it almost exclusively for still life or landscape, who cares? Very much a specialist camera. I will be quite interested to see Canon's take on the multilayer sensor idea.

I will also be very interested to see how Adobe deals with this development, as it has resisted working with .x3f Sigma Foveon files (and to be fair, most other RAW developer platforms are also not supporting the Sigma files) . The single most annoying thing about shooting with Sigma is the s*cky Sigma Photo Pro software, which is buggy and crashes and lacks some features and is not the most user friendly. On the other hand, its fill light slider is awesome.