New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

[moreorless]

If it's a D3s competitor, am I the only one who's thinking it's too late? Nikon MAY announce a D4 next year. And they probably may have some killer features...?

That surely depends on the performance? If it has 18 megapixels and superior ISO to the D3s then it may well be competitive with the D4/D4s.

Personally though I'd take rumours about exact specs less seriously than overall rumours about a DSLR. The former is always IMHO going to be much easier to keep under wraps the the latter, fewer people need to be in the know and it'll have less effect on the setup of the event.

 

[rbr]

Whatever this camera is called, it definitely won't replace the current 1D4 for a lot of people. It would be a huge step down for most wildlife and some sports photographers who use telephoto lenses. Suddenly you're going to have to be 30% closer to your subjects or have to crop and get less pixels on your subject than with the current 1D4. Although I have absolutely no interest or need for a fast full frame camera, it sounds from this thread that some people want such a contraption. I hope Canon makes them happy.

 

[Woody]

D3s can't AF-C in 10 fps mode. A77 can

A77 only AF without restriction in 8 fps, like the 7D. In 12 fps, A77 either AF (i) continuously when aperture is fixed at f/3.5 or (ii) in first single shot only.

 

[Edwin Herdman]

The low pixel density of a 18mp FF camera would certainly give it better low ISO capability

If they're resorting to cutting the resolution for the sake of ISO we ought to be sad - for full frame, 18mp doesn't go very far. Newer technology alone should have gotten them most of the way there.

To CR guy: What, exactly, is amazing about a camera that has perhaps nearly 1/8 more resolution and 1/5 to 2/5 more shooting speed over the 1D Mark IV, yet is developed with two extra years? If these astounding (I'm sure) data throughput rates require DUAL Digic V CPUs, either they had better be cramming all sorts of extra data in those 16-18 megapixels or they had better be getting some astounding battery runtime or real-time plenoptic calculations because otherwise it would imply they haven't really gained much ground over the DIGIC IV if this weren't the case for a camera with specs essentially unchanged from 2009.

A camera with these specs would put less demand on lens resolution than my old T1i - this is not what Canon has been updating its supertelephoto line for, that seems certain.

 

[Rocky]

Looks like Canon is trying to make a "speed demon" and an "owl" out of this camera. The highest MP in the FF for Canon is 21.1MP. Between 18MP (proposed) and 21.1MP, there is only a lost of reolution of 8% (linear). It is no big deal. If it give us a better noise performance at high ISO, better dynamic Range and an "insane" speed of 12-14 FPS. It may be worth to give up the 8% resolution.

 

[wockawocka]

If it's 18mp then I doubt it is a replacement Ds model.

With Nikon having an upcoming D4x, the likes of which there is no mention I can see next weeks announcement as either a 1D5 or completely new camera altogether. Not a Ds

I hope I'm wrong as I need a replacement for my 1Ds3

 

[Flake]

It has to be said that Canon have done a fantastic job hiding this camera, less than a week from launch & we still know nothing much about it! As a rumours site we should perhaps be looking at how they managed this, because any 5D MkII replacement is likely to be equally well hidden.

 

[wockawocka]

It has to be said that Canon have done a fantastic job hiding this camera, less than a week from launch & we still know nothing much about it! As a rumours site we should perhaps be looking at how they managed this, because any 5D MkII replacement is likely to be equally well hidden.

I bet NIkon know exactly what it is.

 

[Takuma]

Been at the local Mediamarkt (Germany) just yesterday and while they had no 7D anywhere I was quite suprised to see the 5DII Body at 1749 €.

 

[Stuart]

Hopes and dreams
A low cost FF - unlikely with 10fps, but sony NEX are very fast and cheap - FF for the masses - OK i'm dreaming as the rest of the camera's would be worthless.
Fourvon - possibly then MP makes sense, super DR. but again 54Mpixels being processed at 10+fps - unlikely
5Dmk3 @ 18MP - would confuse to many wedding togs untill they saw NATIVE 51200 ISO & great DR at f11 in a church.
APS- H OK but it says FF, maybe this is a mistake - rear lit APS-h with great speed and DR for olympics?
What's the hollywood event about next month, what could be released 2 weeks before that that might be releated to it?

 

[wockawocka]

I've never really liked the 5D for weddings. Feels like a lens with a camera attached rather than a camera with a lens on it.

 

[MartinvH]

Very plausible this rumor is CR3 because we already heard about the Canon Pro invitation in the Netherlands earlier this week on the 18 th october.

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,1844.msg31590.html#msg31590

Canon would not invite professionals to an event if they have less to present like a Pro camera !

Combine that with the same rumors out of Singapore about the 18th october and together those rumors become more believable.

 

[nikkito]

I really like the Nikon D3X but as a professional photographer with thousands of dollars invested in top quality L glass, it's just not possible to even consider switching. Not to mention I like and understand Canon lenses better than I do Nikon's. So whatever this new camera is, I hope it will at least be on par with or better than the Nikon D3X. I want a FF camera with great low light performance, high resolution and fast fps all in one sweet package. That's my dream camera. If this camera does all that, I'll buy two or maybe even three.

you can buy 4 and give one to me. Thanks in advance

 

[nikkito]

you can all keep talking about the wonders of Sony, but i would NEVER buy one. I would quit photography before having to use one of those ugly cameras

 

[kirillica]

I agree on a hint it could be Foveon-like sensor Canon has patented. Then it's 18*3 = 54Mp, which is quite a lot. if D800 is also Foveon-like, then I assume their 36Mp should be devided on 3, which makes just 12 true Mpix. In this case new Canon-flagship will spoil D800 presentation

 

[Gothmoth]

If it's a D3s competitor, am I the only one who's thinking it's too late? Nikon MAY announce a D4 next year. And they probably may have some killer features...?

we know a S__t about the new camera but it´s already too late.. yeah... :
canon should stop making cameras....

D3s can't AF-C in 10 fps mode. A77 can

with other restrictions.. yes.

anyway. there is no lightspeed barrier that is impossible to break for canon.
12-14 frames per second are possible.

 

[gmrza]

Whatever this camera is called, it definitely won't replace the current 1D4 for a lot of people. It would be a huge step down for most wildlife and some sports photographers who use telephoto lenses. Suddenly you're going to have to be 30% closer to your subjects or have to crop and get less pixels on your subject than with the current 1D4. Although I have absolutely no interest or need for a fast full frame camera, it sounds from this thread that some people want such a contraption. I hope Canon makes them happy.

That is why I doubt a 1DIV replacement would have 18MP full frame. What sounds more plausible is the concept of the 1DIV replacement being a full frame camera with a 1.3 crop mode that yields 18MP. That would translate into just under 30.5MP in a full frame.

18MP full frame would probably result in a revolt of sports and wildlife shooters. If you use a 300mm on an APS-H sensor, you would need a 400mm on full frame. Just look at the price difference between a 300mm f/2.8 and a 400mm f/2.8.

 

[NormanBates]

do you know what a 16-18 Mpix sensor is great for?

VIDEO

it's exactly what the RED EPIC has: 5K resolution, which leads to very nice 4K video after debayering; on Canon hands, I'd expect it to lead to very nice 1080p with easy 4-to-1 pixel binning

and with a lower resolution it can also be faster, meaning less rolling shutter, and higher frame rates (60p not restricted to 720p)

so my bet is for a 3D, 6D or 8D with full frame, geared for video DSLR enthusiasts

(which one it is, and which price it comes out at, will probably depend on how fast it can shoot stills, and how the video is stored: if it is 1080p with a 4:2:2 codec, I expect 6D or 8D at $1500 to $2500 depending on quality of body; if it is sRAW video at 24fps, expect 3D at $4K or more)

 

[Gothmoth]

do you know what a 16-18 Mpix sensor is great for?

VIDEO

it's exactly what the RED EPIC has: 5K resolution, which leads to very nice 4K video after debayering; on Canon hands, I'd expect it to lead to very nice 1080p with easy 4-to-1 pixel binning

and it would fit to the 3 november event in hollywood.

 

[dr croubie]

and it would fit to the 3 november event in hollywood.

But why would they announce it on Octember 18th, then announce it on November 3rd again?
Unless November 3rd is release date, and they actually have it in-stores by then?
3-weeks is still nowhere near apple's announce-to-stores speed, but it'd beat canon's latest performance with the year-long waits...