New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

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<p><a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html" target="_blank">Northlight has received word</a> that Canon will be releasing a high resolution big brother to the EOS 5D Mark III in the fall. This is another reference to an EOS 3D type of camera (it’s been going on since this site started). The higher resolution camera would also shoot 4K video and have an abundance of video features. Pricing for the camera would come above the EOS 5D Mark III.</p>
<p>There’s always mentions of high resolution sensors showing up in Canon DSLRs for testing around the globe, and I don’t doubt that it’s going on. We were told back in the fall that Canon would be releasing 3 new DSLRs in 2014, and we’ve already seen one in the 1200D. The other will most definitely be the followup to the EOS 7D, the third camera is unknown. I’d like to think it won’t be a replacement to the EOS Rebel T5i.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html" target="_blank">NL</a>]</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[zim]

wow it's going to be a busy ol last quarter with all these new cameras and 'year of the lens' lenses. :

 

[Niki]

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<p><a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html\" target=\"_blank\">Northlight has received word</a> that Canon will be releasing a high resolution big brother to the EOS 5D Mark III in the fall. This is another reference to an EOS 3D type of camera (it’s been going on since this site started). The higher resolution camera would also shoot 4K video and have an abundance of video features. Pricing for the camera would come above the EOS 5D Mark III.</p>
<p>There’s always mentions of high resolution sensors showing up in Canon DSLRs for testing around the globe, and I don’t doubt that it’s going on. We were told back in the fall that Canon would be releasing 3 new DSLRs in 2014, and we’ve already seen one in the 1200D. The other will most definitely be the followup to the EOS 7D, the third camera is unknown. I’d like to think it won’t be a replacement to the EOS Rebel T5i.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_rumours.html\" target=\"_blank\">NL</a>]</p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

credit cards almost paid off

 

[dancook]

Don't care about 4k, but give me a switchable EVF/OVF and I'll be all over that! I can hope..

 

[Caps18]

Can movie theaters show 4K movies with their digital projectors? I'm not really sure what resolution the average 'non-hollywood' film is shot in though. I would assume it is 1080p or the wide screen equivalent.

 

[Ivan Muller]

Well, we have been waiting and waiting....

I think Canon is struggling to bring out a sensor that can compete with Sony's. To make it competitive they have to spend a lot more money on it, that's why the camera will cost more than the 5D3...what other reason can there be? If their technology was as good as Sonys why haven't they released it yet?

If I was Canon I would have just sourced my 36mp sensor from Sony! Then they could have had a Camera on the shelves long ago, and at a reasonable with price point many happy Canon customers ...

At the moment my money votes for the A7R!

 

[Orangutan]

I think Canon is struggling to bring out a sensor that can compete with Sony's. To make it competitive they have to spend a lot more money on it, that's why the camera will cost more than the 5D3...what other reason can there be? If their technology was as good as Sonys why haven't they released it yet?

Given how badly the Sony "sensors" are selling, Canon would be foolish to try to emulate that strategy. No, Canon is trying to design a product that will increase their profits, just like all other companies. Relative to other companies, Canon is doing quite well. The reason they haven't come out with the thing you personally want is that they don't have to. They will produce new products when the market demands them. Until then, they'll milk (MILC?) the R&D they already have invested in the current line.

I know a die-hard Nikon fanboi who has a D800, and loves it. He recently shot a 5D3 at a wedding, and confided to me that if he didn't already have money invested in Nikon gear, he would seriously consider buying a 5D3. It ain't all about the sensor.

 

[pedro]

Well, my 5D3 still rocks. My faint guess with this new rumor is: Nikon somehow has a fairer strategy. They have an affordable FF (D600, here I'd prefer the 6D at 20 MP), an affordable high MP FF (D800, although there is no MRAW mode!) and a lower priced (in comparison to the 2 years old 1Dx) 16MP flagship D4s. So, it will look a bit awkwarded to me, if they ask an extra premium for more MPs. Hope they get their sensor tech resolved with this new babe. That is the only point of interest for me. And if Canon does so, there is hoping that the pixel count of the allrounder 5Ds will remain about the same, plus faster processors and improved sensor tech. I would really like to see improved ISO 51k (RAW) somewhere near the ISO 20k-25k of my current cam, IQ wise. What I've seen in relation to RAW IQ from a friend of mine testing his new D4s is quite nice. ISO 102400 and even 204800 are a nice alternative and for b/w you even dare to shootISO 409600.

 

[Ivan Muller]

I have a 6D and its a pretty cool camera, chose it above the 5D3 because for my type of shooting killer AF is not necessary, and I didnt want to pay so much more for the same size sensor. Sure Canon makes lots of money with their existing line up. But you know back in the days Canon was at the fore front, first affordable full frame, then the 5D2, and then? we waited and waited.. and are still waiting! I had my 5D2 for four years before I got the 6D. I would have spend money on a D800e equivalent, even if it was more expensive than the 5d3, which the D800 is not btw. I do need more pixels now and again. A perfect second camera will be the A7r ...which means the waiting's theoretically over..once I have it, no matter how good the rumored megapixel offering will be, I wont buy another camera for at least three years. The best thing about mirror less is that we are not tied to one brand anymore. I can walk into a shop today and get a camera that will fit my TS24...36mp and that lens sounds very tempting to me!

Why are we waiting so long for Canons megapixel offering? Personally I just don't think their technology is there yet... ( but I would love to be wrong! )

 

[Orangutan]

Why are we waiting so long for Canons megapixel offering? Personally I just don't think their technology is there yet... ( but I would love to be wrong! )

Again, the question is not whether they have or don't have the tech, it's whether Canon's number crunchers think it will be profitable. The sales of the D800 and A7R have been lackluster, so what's the point of doing a studio/landscape camera that won't make you a healthy profit? Don't get me wrong: I'm glad the D800 and A7R are out there to push the tech and increase user demand. I just believe that Canon uses smart business strategy: they make products that sell profitably.

 

[rs]

Can movie theaters show 4K movies with their digital projectors? I'm not really sure what resolution the average 'non-hollywood' film is shot in though. I would assume it is 1080p or the wide screen equivalent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

[quote author=wikipedia]
In digital cinema, resolutions are represented by the horizontal pixel count, usually 2K (2048×1080 or 2.2 megapixels) or 4K (4096×2160 or 8.8 megapixels).
[/quote]

 

[9VIII]

wow it's going to be a busy ol last quarter with all these new cameras and 'year of the lens' lenses. :

Well, there is that world renowned trade show that only happens every other year coming this September.

Hopefully a 32MP+ APS-C sensor is included in all those new sensors being tested, we need an SLR to compete with the compact super zooms.

 

[Lightmaster]

Can movie theaters show 4K movies with their digital projectors? I'm not really sure what resolution the average 'non-hollywood' film is shot in though. I would assume it is 1080p or the wide screen equivalent.

2048×1080 or 4096×2160

 

[unfocused]

This actually makes sense to me, although I've been skeptical about Canon's "need" to release a high megapixel full frame camera.

I'll go back to a prediction I make quite a while back – I can see Canon releasing a "5D HD" that offers a pixel density somewhere in the same neighborhood as the 7D (46 mp), perhaps a little less. Same body, same basic functionality (with a slower frame rate likely) just a new sensor and maybe a little faster processor.

It would give customers a choice, but keep their production costs down since many of the components could be shared by both bodies. Canon has seen the D800 sales figures, so they know that high megapixels aren't in huge demand, but they probably also know there is a small subset of customers that will pay a premium for more resolution. Give them what they want, but keep the production costs down.

 

[orionz06]

Makes me feel better about waiting out another year with the 7D as I slowly upgrade glass. Results still improving as I await the next thing. I just really don't want to wind up paying for 4K crap in the body.

Timing is strange though, falls close to where I might guess a 5DIV would come in...

 

[RGF]

Canon has see the D800 sales figures, so they know that high megapixels aren't in huge demand, but they probably also know there is a small subset of customers that will pay a premium for more resolution. Give them what they want, but keep the production costs down.

I wonder how the D800 (e) are doing relative to the 5DM3. Not in absolute sales but as share of pro / prosumer sales. Also is the D800 (e) attracting people to adopt the Nikon line or stay with Nikon?

Personally I would like to see Canon adopt the Sony sensor and put it in a 5D body and then license Nikon's 14-24 lens. That would be truly winning combination.

We have waited long enough for these 2 items and if there was serious competition, I think Canon would have done it or be seriously hurting.

BTW - there long glass is the best; easily topping Nikon. They just need to a new ultra wide and a high MP body.

 

[paulrossjones]

This actually makes sense to me, although I've been skeptical about Canon's "need" to release a high megapixel full frame camera.

I'll go back to a prediction I make quite a while back – I can see Canon releasing a "5D HD" that offers a pixel density somewhere in the same neighborhood as the 7D (46 mp), perhaps a little less. Same body, same basic functionality (with a slower frame rate likely) just a new sensor and maybe a little faster processor.

It would give customers a choice, but keep their production costs down since many of the components could be shared by both bodies. Canon has see the D800 sales figures, so they know that high megapixels aren't in huge demand, but they probably also know there is a small subset of customers that will pay a premium for more resolution. Give them what they want, but keep the production costs down.

hi, im not sure where you get your viewpoint. i shoot advertising images and i do use a 5dmk3, but the files are almost always on the edge of usability. if there is cropping, or shadows pulled up(or sky recovered) the canon is terrible. the only reason i haven't changed systems is that i shoot with a very shallow dof and the canon has the best lenses for this.
I have tested the d800e and i have brought a sony a7r and in every test i have done with the cameras together the sony sensor absolutely eats the canon. i find the latitude of the nikon and sony cameras closer to my p65+ (but obvious less res) but even better with the darks getting pulled up.
i don't know about the amateur market, but a large promotion of the professional advertising market (not the editorial or sports) has moved to the nikon d800e from the canon and even a lot have dropped medium format for nikon. i could list a dozen photographers in the top of their fields in the world now shooting with nikon. and thats just out of the few advertising photographers i know personally.

im not saying the nikon is the best for usability- the canon has the best interface, lenses and AF, but the file itself is very disappointing. i say this from a lot of canon file experience (I've shot at least 400,000 files with the 5dmk3 in the last few years). the 5dmk3 is a bit of a love hate camera for me..

i really hope canon answers with a better file (latitude wise)- higher MP (which is badly needed for my market) so i can throw away slow, difficult medium format and only need one camera for everything i shoot.

paul

 

[Orangutan]

a large promotion of the professional advertising market..

How big is that market? Is it big enough to drive Canon's R&D and marketing strategy? Maybe Canon is willing to let that market go (for a while) to avoid making a costly mistake.

 

[paulrossjones]

a large promotion of the professional advertising market..

How big is that market? Is it big enough to drive Canon's R&D and marketing strategy? Maybe Canon is willing to let that market go (for a while) to avoid making a costly mistake.

i guess they could, but i would have thought theres credibility in owning the top end of the market. the local dealer over here also says the d800 is really well. but maybe you are right?
but i think canon would be silly if they thought like that. its the resin that car manufactures have a limited run sports car- to set their place in the market. i can't see canon just letting the D800e be the best camera on the market.
and they can sell these at a lot higher cost- i am not that cost driven - nor any of the guys i mentioned early. sure we like saving money, but the features of the camera to make life easier is more important. cameras are one the cheapest part of our kits- we didn't ask for it to be this way, but it makes it easy to have multiple bodies etc. the original 1ds cost me 15k nod (12k usd) and it paid for itself on one job. happy to pay this much again for a "niche" market version of a canon camera that can answer the d800.
i heard a while back there was 9000 professional photographers in the UK alone- not sure if this figure is right, but i wouldn't be surprised. even if these people didn't really need the megapixels- i guarantee they would not be able to help them selves if there was a higher megapixel camera available. i can see that even wedding photographers could do with more megapixels- to allow for cropping and different formats. pixel binning makes for better files as well when downsized.

paul

 

[Lightmaster]

i heard a while back there was 9000 professional photographers in the UK alone- not sure if this figure is right, but i wouldn't be surprised. even if these people didn't really need the megapixels- i guarantee they would not be able to help them selves if there was a higher megapixel camera available.

and one of them told me that he has no interest to switch (back) to nikon because of the D800 and it´s 36MP.... david noton.

what you want and what you need are two things.

i don´t NEED a high megapixel 35mm camera.
i sure don´t need canon to produce a 8000 euro high megapixel 35mm camera.
i bought into MF for this kind of use.

but i sure would not mind a better low iso image quality for landscape images, with more details and cleaner shadow areas.

....and it paid for itself on one job

well then im sure two or three of your jobs will pay for a medium format camera... not?
i have a phase one and i don´t even make real money with it (not enough that it would justify buying a MF camera).

so if you NEED it and you can make money from more MP... there is a solution -> MF.

i stopped looking for best landscape quality from 35mm cameras.
even the praised D800 can not beat MF.

if canon makes a high megapixel monster i guess it will cost more then the 1DX.
i doubt they produce something that will be in direct competition with the D800.