New information about the upcoming Canon EOS R5C [CR3]

[David - Sydney]

Maybe the R5c will have a HDMI2.1 port. This should allow 4k120 to external recorder which I don't believe is possible today.
Preferably full sized although removing the mic/headphone ports doesn't seem like it would give the current micro HDMI port more space. I am sure that Canon would have included a full sized HDMI in the R5 if there was space.
A bundled Tascam mic setup and/or Ninja V+ would be interesting as well.

 

[Gazwas]

Maybe the R5c will have a HDMI2.1 port. This should allow 4k120 to external recorder which I don't believe is possible today.
Preferably full sized although removing the mic/headphone ports doesn't seem like it would give the current micro HDMI port more space. I am sure that Canon would have included a full sized HDMI in the R5 if there was space.
A bundled Tascam mic setup and/or Ninja V+ would be interesting as well.

Only issue with that is Atomos, in their infinite wisdom only equipped the Ninja V+ (despite its cost) with an HDMI 2.0 port which Is why it only records 10bit RAW as apposed to the 12bit of internal and will never go higher than 60fps recording due to data restriction.

 

[David - Sydney]

Only issue with that is Atomos, in their infinite wisdom only equipped the Ninja V+ (despite its cost) with an HDMI 2.0 port which Is why it only records 10bit RAW as apposed to the 12bit of internal and will never go higher than 60fps recording due to data restriction.

On further investigating, it looks like there are lots of issues and bugs with manufacturers when it comes to HDMI 2.1
The AV receiver market is the key one as a switching intermediary between sources eg consoles and outputs to displays. The chipsets are probably tied up with the video card GPUs for gamers and Sony/Microsoft consoles plus monitor/TVs. Getting everything to work nicely is a challenge - not to mention supporting cables.
This would explain why the R5 doesn't have a HDMI 2.1 port as that was probably 2 years ago when the engineers were configuring the R5. The R5c might have one if Canon can get good chipsets.
If interesting, there is good detail at:
https://www.avforums.com/threads/hd...ues-with-video-and-graphics-features.2363377/

 

[sanj]

Yes



Don't you look like an idiot.

Complete!

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Wow they address all the problems with the a7s3 and fx3. It has time code. It supports a top handle that doesn't use the hot shoe. Let's see if Canon offers true 24.00 which the Sony cams don't.

Unlike the a7S III, the R5 already has 24.00 FS video.
There is no reason for Canon to remove that for a videocentric cinema camera version

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Only issue with that is Atomos, in their infinite wisdom only equipped the Ninja V+ (despite its cost) with an HDMI 2.0 port which Is why it only records 10bit RAW as apposed to the 12bit of internal and will never go higher than 60fps recording due to data restriction.

Yeah, It is kind of a 1 trick pony.
The price is down to $1K USD until January 2022 which seems more reasonable.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Why would a hybrid R5C be more perfect than, for example, a Super-35 C50 or C90 expressly designed for B-cam usage and gimbal work and actually part of the Cine line? I mean that as a serious question.

IBIS and superior AF tracking.
(Why Canon does not add eye detect AF to the cinema line is beyond my understanding)

 

[EOS 4 Life]

S1H achieves this and does a pretty good job. Damn, thinking about it now I wish I could get R5C in a S1H body with that awesome flip and tilt screen combo.

A lot of photographers hate the S1H body

 

[Gazwas]

Yeah, It is kind of a 1 trick pony.
The price is down to $1K USD until January 2022 which seems more reasonable.

Didn't know that and shows how well it must be selling.

How the hell can a manufacturer just slice off a third of the price (£510 in UK)? I wouldn't be very pleased if I was an early adopter.......

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Now that the Nikon Z9 is in the wild, Canon had better find a way to include both internal ProRes and ProRes Raw. It’s all well and good shooting 8K, but you need to be able to manage that footage in post. ProRes and ProRes Raw work very well on the new M1 macs.

ProRes RAW will probably never happen.
I prefer Canon RAW anyway.
More NLEs support it.
I doubt ProRes will happen anytime soon either.
It is not even in most of the cinema line.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Didn't know that and shows how well it must be selling.

Not really.
Atomos pretty much always has big discounts this time of year.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Well, unless Canon does not plan to use the RF mount on the future C300, C500… etc… it stands to reason that they engineered it to be compatible with internal NDs. Either that or the Cinema line will no longer have internal NDs.
For this reason I’m 100% certain that the RF mount can… and will accommodate internal NDs

The C70 already has internal NDs and an RF mount.
So do the RED Komodo and V-Raptor

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Everything is possible, one just has to create the whole new body, not trying to retrofit it to existing stills camera. Trust me, i'm an engeneer ^)

No one trusts an engineer.
That unfortunately includes the product design team

 

[EOS 4 Life]

You cannot do a 8K video without 45mp sensor.

They could if Canon were to go the GH5S route and crop in for photos from a 16:9 sensor.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Because of the space needed. Could it be done? Absolutely. But the body would have to be bigger. And not by an insignificant amount. Unless they went with a fixed ‘variable electronic ND’ system, which would more than likely mean that you would always have at least ~ 2-stops in, because that’s about as low as they go.

Compare the BMPCC 6K and 6K Pro.
(I know the tilt screen also contributes to the size difference.)

 

[EOS 4 Life]

my hinge was solid from day one

I heard that there was a problem with the original units that has been addressed in subsequent units.
Canon never issued a recall but they have fixed original hinge units outside of the warranty.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Does active cooling need to be an actual fan ? Maybe its a Peltier device and a heatsink to keep the body watertight? e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Diymore-TE...c-Cooling/dp/B078GSC2L1/ref=asc_df_B078GSC2L1

A Peltier device does have a fan.
A lot of cinema cameras use Peltier coolers including the C70, FX3, and Komodo.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Not according to well respected and independent testing of real world cameras.

They measure the R5 at 11.85 stops and the A7S III at 11.22 stops.

Photographic Dynamic Range versus ISO Setting

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12 stops would not be enough to benefit from CLOG2

 

[EOS 4 Life]

I believe the FX6 fits the bill.

The FX6 may be small for a cinema camera but it is huge compared to the FX3

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Calm down guys, it’s only a camera…

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