New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

[privatebydesign]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

So it seems not only great for landscape (which I thought would be a small niche for a 3K lens) but also for architecture. That makes sense. If that pays the bills and this is significantly better than the 16-35 then it would be great for those folks. What percentage of professional photogs pay the bills with architecture?

I do.

But having got the 16-35 f4 IS a week ago, and boy is it a great lens, I am not sure I will go for the 11-24, certainly not immediately.

Besides, there is architecture shooting and architecture shooting, are you shooting the space or are you shooting the architects work? Anybody shooting the space and that bills above mediocre rates will be on it like a penguin on an ice flow surrounded by seals. But 'true' architectural shooters rarely if ever need such crazy wide fov's with the inherent distortions such a dramatic perspective gives, they are far more interested in architectural detail that creates the style of the space, rather than is the space, and they have far more need for movements than fov.

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

And as for "success", whether you take that as an insult or not is up to you, my definition of success is a sharp print corner to corner at 30"x40" or larger with good lighting and composition. Good luck trying to print a handheld panorama at sizes as large as that and not have them come out looking like crap.

Yeah, that's really, really easy to do. I have four 42x28s near me at this moment, and a 36x12 (360°x120°) on the wall right in front of me, all taken handheld, with the last one taken while standing in a tiny two-person service lift 440 feet off the ground suspended by nothing but cables.

Yeah its easy to do, that's why tripods were invented, that's why camera manufacturers invented IS, and why all other forms of camera stabilization were invented. Because its easy to hold a camera for a picture.......much less a panorama.

It's much easier on a panorama than on a single shot. Much.

Yes, all the pro architectural and landscape photographers handhold all their shots, especially panoramas, because its easy. Much.

Your statements continue to devolve into ridiculousness......or you are trolling, which ever the case, this will definitely be the last I address you.

Tetten...I've appreciated some of your earlier comments. I usually stay out of forum bickering, but if anything is devolving at this point, it's from insulting another photographer's work by implying that your standard of excellence is so much higher as to render their work inadequate and therefore demonstrate the need to do it your way.

It's starting to sound a little silly telling other pros that what they're doing with success can't possibly be successful enough. I'm sure there are photographers out there who think their work achieves excellence above yours, and yet others thinking that way over them. If it works for someone, why knock it? If they (or their clients) are pleased with the huge prints on their walls, who cares how anyone else defines success?

Kieth's engineering wisdom from the X-Rite interview he linked seems to apply here: don't let perfection become the enemy of excellence. It sounds like you're trying to convince someone that what they deem excellent (and so do their paying clients) is not perfect and is therefore not worthwhile. Personally, pursuing that level of perfection would suck the life out of photography for me...

Anyway, maybe just agree to disagree, eh? We each have different motivations in our photography, be it personal fulfillment, paying the bills, or even ultimate "perfection" as we see it.

I'll kindly butt-out now. No hard feelings...

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

By the way, Lee Jay, thanks for the link to the DIY pano head. I'm a tinkering fool that always likes to see if I can do it myself cheaper, better or at all.

 

[Lee Jay]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

By the way, Lee Jay, thanks for the link to the DIY pano head. I'm a tinkering fool that always likes to see if I can do it myself cheaper, better or at all.

If you have heavy equipment, or want a stiffer system (these bars are really stiff - almost as stiff as 1" square solid bars), it's pretty easy. They make them in 1.5"x1.5", and they make 2x1 and 3x1 versions. So, I made mine 1"x1", but you could make yours as big as 4.5"x1.5" or even bigger if you want, like 3"x3".

 

[mclaren777]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I think Tamron will probably sell 10x as many 15-30mm lenses as Canon sells of this thing.

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

I think Tamron will probably sell 10x as many 15-30mm lenses as Canon sells of this thing.

I am sure Tamron and Canon think that as well. I'd think Tamron will sell 100x as many 150-600 as Canon sell 200-400's too, it isn't a numbers game and the 15-30 ia as different from an 11-24 as a 150-600 is to a 200-400.

 

[vrpanorama]

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I shot mostly with fisheye lens and wide angles lens. I used to have the rectilinear 14mm f2.8 II lens but sold it because with the 360 software I use it causes more problem than solve it (the king is the 8-15mm). So I am almost sure that this future lens is an evolution of the 14mm, some how mixing the technology of the new 16-35mm lens and the 14mm which anyway does sell in large numbers. I am hoping that the effective number of pixel will be designed for the next dslr generation

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

By the way, Lee Jay, thanks for the link to the DIY pano head. I'm a tinkering fool that always likes to see if I can do it myself cheaper, better or at all.

If you have heavy equipment, or want a stiffer system (these bars are really stiff - almost as stiff as 1" square solid bars), it's pretty easy. They make them in 1.5"x1.5", and they make 2x1 and 3x1 versions. So, I made mine 1"x1", but you could make yours as big as 4.5"x1.5" or even bigger if you want, like 3"x3".

Cool. This will give me another reason to get an end mill bit or two for my drill press. Aluminum stock, in its various extruded configurations is fun to work with. My current project is an automatic shell dispenser for my reloading press. 8) Each pull of the press lever dispenses, then inserts a new shell into the press. It's not finished yet, but getting close!

Wow...I've really drifted off topic here. Uh...back to the rumored lens and Rebel.

 

[keithcooper]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

So it seems not only great for landscape (which I thought would be a small niche for a 3K lens) but also for architecture. That makes sense. If that pays the bills and this is significantly better than the 16-35 then it would be great for those folks. What percentage of professional photogs pay the bills with architecture?

Not -that- many ... I hope ;-)

In terms of 'rather unlikely' lenses, I'd prefer an 11mm with shift (what an optical design that would be and $$$ too) - tilt, I could do without.

Since the slightest tilt up or down of the lens (at 11mm) is going to show massively converging/diverging verticals, then using such a lens is going to take some real care and thought about what the images are for and how they are to be cropped or even adjusted in PS.

It's a focal length (on FF) where quite mundane elements of your view could become very powerful compositional elements, by accident or design. Based on experiences with the EF14 and (partially rectified) EF8-15, I'm suspecting that landscapes shots that 'work' at 11mm are also going to need some real care if the 'distortions' are not going to overwhelm your impression of the view (YMMV) - I'm still looking forward to what people can do with such width.

Definitely a lens that would need a lot of experimentation to get over the 'new toy' effect (every problem is a nail when you've a new hammer).

Still, a useful (and fun) new tool to master for some aspects of the work I do.

The real utility will show later when I look at a few months work and see how many 'wow' shots (by client reaction, not mine ;-) ) it's enabled.

 

[wfmiller]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

By the way, Lee Jay, thanks for the link to the DIY pano head. I'm a tinkering fool that always likes to see if I can do it myself cheaper, better or at all.

If you have heavy equipment, or want a stiffer system (these bars are really stiff - almost as stiff as 1" square solid bars), it's pretty easy. They make them in 1.5"x1.5", and they make 2x1 and 3x1 versions. So, I made mine 1"x1", but you could make yours as big as 4.5"x1.5" or even bigger if you want, like 3"x3".

Cool. This will give me another reason to get an end mill bit or two for my drill press. Aluminum stock, in its various extruded configurations is fun to work with. My current project is an automatic shell dispenser for my reloading press. 8) Each pull of the press lever dispenses, then inserts a new shell into the press. It's not finished yet, but getting close!

Wow...I've really drifted off topic here. Uh...back to the rumored lens and Rebel.

You know a Dillon XL650 already does that with shells!! Ooppps back to the debate!!

I for one love shooting super wide and will put this on my list of must haves. I don't sell my work as for me photography is a hobby and a passion. Maybe I should start selling though as the wife is complaining about the number of pictures that litter the wall of our house (all tastefully arranged of course!!)...

 

[Loswr]

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Damn you, Canon – you keep coming up with clever ways to deplete my gear fund before it accumulates sufficiently for the 300/2.8L IS II.

 

[IglooEater]

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Thank you @Famateur, that was a breath of fresh air on here.

 

[pedro]

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Well, great news, but a big price tag for me as a purely hobbyist photographer. So, in the long run, the Sigma 12-24 F/4.5-5.6 will do. I'll go this route. As I only work at the low end, the additional .5 in aperture won't hurt that much. But the price tag is about 4 times lower, so this gives flight ticket money for a very nice trip or a low price fall vacaction along with my wife AND the siggy...;-)

 

[ewg963]

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Tetten...I've appreciated some of your earlier comments. I usually stay out of forum bickering, but if anything is devolving at this point, it's from insulting another photographer's work by implying that your standard of excellence is so much higher as to render their work inadequate and therefore demonstrate the need to do it your way.

It's starting to sound a little silly telling other pros that what they're doing with success can't possibly be successful enough. I'm sure there are photographers out there who think their work achieves excellence above yours, and yet others thinking that way over them. If it works for someone, why knock it? If they (or their clients) are pleased with the huge prints on their walls, who cares how anyone else defines success?

Kieth's engineering wisdom from the X-Rite interview he linked seems to apply here: don't let perfection become the enemy of excellence. It sounds like you're trying to convince someone that what they deem excellent (and so do their paying clients) is not perfect and is therefore not worthwhile. Personally, pursuing that level of perfection would suck the life out of photography for me...

Anyway, maybe just agree to disagree, eh? We each have different motivations in our photography, be it personal fulfillment, paying the bills, or even ultimate "perfection" as we see it.

I'll kindly butt-out now. No hard feelings...

Thank you Famateur well said!!!

 

[Dylan777]

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Damn you, Canon – you keep coming up with clever ways to deplete my gear fund before it accumulates sufficiently for the 300/2.8L IS II.

LOL ;D

I have a dream to own; 200mm f2 + 400mm f2.8 IS II + 600mm f4 II. This looks like another dream lens.

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Cool. This will give me another reason to get an end mill bit or two for my drill press. Aluminum stock, in its various extruded configurations is fun to work with. My current project is an automatic shell dispenser for my reloading press. 8) Each pull of the press lever dispenses, then inserts a new shell into the press. It's not finished yet, but getting close!

Wow...I've really drifted off topic here. Uh...back to the rumored lens and Rebel.

You know a Dillon XL650 already does that with shells!! Ooppps back to the debate!!

True, and Hornady has one for my press, but it's pricey, and I spent my money on L lenses.

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Thank you @Famateur, that was a breath of fresh air on here.

No prob...

 

[Famateur]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Tetten...I've appreciated some of your earlier comments. I usually stay out of forum bickering, but if anything is devolving at this point, it's from insulting another photographer's work by implying that your standard of excellence is so much higher as to render their work inadequate and therefore demonstrate the need to do it your way.

It's starting to sound a little silly telling other pros that what they're doing with success can't possibly be successful enough. I'm sure there are photographers out there who think their work achieves excellence above yours, and yet others thinking that way over them. If it works for someone, why knock it? If they (or their clients) are pleased with the huge prints on their walls, who cares how anyone else defines success?

Kieth's engineering wisdom from the X-Rite interview he linked seems to apply here: don't let perfection become the enemy of excellence. It sounds like you're trying to convince someone that what they deem excellent (and so do their paying clients) is not perfect and is therefore not worthwhile. Personally, pursuing that level of perfection would suck the life out of photography for me...

Anyway, maybe just agree to disagree, eh? We each have different motivations in our photography, be it personal fulfillment, paying the bills, or even ultimate "perfection" as we see it.

I'll kindly butt-out now. No hard feelings...

Thank you Famateur well said!!!

You're welcome, and thanks...

 

[WorkonSunday]

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excellent. good to see canon pushing the boundary. sharpness aside, for indoor shots, 1mm is 1mm, you have it you have it, you dont you dont. especially I havent mastered the art of walk through walls/shooting through walls ;D

im gald it's priced quite highly...at least we knwo it will be L worthy.

 

[eninja]

Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly

Ok so reading through these threads I did see one person say that this is a perfect lens for him because it will likely be relatively light and really wide and therefore perfect for using when hiking to get amazing landscape photos.

I assume that 11 is so much better than 14 that it will be better than using the samyang and that the person using the 11-24 is a much better hiker than I and not worried about tripping and breaking a 3K lens. Who else is this lens for? It does sound like people have been dissapointed with the 16-35 II. if this is just a better lens then it might replace that but I always felt that the 2.8 and 24-35 range were important for that lens for event photography.

I'd love to know what applications this lens is great for...It sounds like a professional landscape lens to me....the wide angle equivalent of the 400 2.8 for sports photographers. If that is the case and it performs as well I'm sure those folks will be thrilled and the rest of us will just gawk at their amazing photos.

However, that is a pretty niche group. The rest of us will settle for 17-40 or 16-35

Architecture - it's what pays my wages ;-)
Landscape I enjoy, but there's not (nearly enough) money in it (well, not doing what I like and where I live in the UK)

I have the 14mm and it's OK for many things where I want wide, but for architectural use I prefer the 17mm, shifted up/down if needed. Also the 8-15, with remapping the image geometry in varying ways.

It takes a fair bit of practice to be able to effectively use very wide angle, but it enables me to get some shots that I couldn't get in other ways. As I mentioned earlier, I'm looking forward to seeing how it expands what I can do - 14mm to 11mm may not sound much to some, but combined with the 17mm and 8-15, I'm just left waiting for a camera to replace my 1Ds 3 ;-)

I recently produced a new web site just for our architectural work and IIRC, over 50% of the images I used the TS-E17 (add in the TS-E24 and EF8-15 and it's probably over 90%)
http://architecture-photos.co.uk

I'd expect an 11-24 to contribute a fair bit to our bottom line ;-)

PS If anyone's curious, I was recently interviewed by X-Rite specifically about my architectural photography
http://blog.xritephoto.com/2015/01/architectural-photography-coloratti-master-keith-cooper/

Thanks for sharing - regarding architectural photography and other stuff. More power.