Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]

[Marsu42]

+1 for focus peaking! But please don't make us wait for EVF to have it!

Ugh? This was one of the very first features Magic Lantern had (for live view), it's available on most cameras, and it's free. The only thing it cannot manage is peaking in the viewfinder, you simply do need an evf for that.

 

[jebrady03]

If there's any shred of truth to this rumor, I have to assume it's M related. There might be a nugget of truth in there. Kind of like how the "high MP APSC" rumors turned out to be DPAF.

 

[iron-t]

I like the idea of a hybrid Rebel/EOS-M with an EF-M mount and a more substantial grip for a decent sized battery.

Didn't Canon just release the 7D2 camera, EF-S 24 f/2.8 STM pancake and EF-S 10-18 STM lenses recently? Canon is not likely to abandon their EF-S mount any time soon.

The beauty of an EF-M mount is that it can use EF-M, EF-S and EF lenses equally well. There's really not much reason not to use the EF-M mount if the camera has no mirror. And didn't Canon not so long ago release an EF-M 11-22mm and EF-M 55-200mm? It doesn't look like that mount is going anywhere either.

 

[Slyham]

Noob here.

Is the "split-pixel" mentioned here another name for DPAF?

Yes


It would be interesting if the SLx line goes mirrorless and the Txi line keeps the mirror. If it is successful then I could see Canon try it with the xxD line, e.g. 80D has the mirror, 85D does not.

 

[Sella174]

... Once EVF improves to a point that's good enough for mass-market consumers (that time might be now) then it makes sense to introduce it on the lower end cameras first. 90% of people who buy the Rebel line don't know the difference between EVF and OVF they just see features. "Hey it's brighter!" An EVF will likely be good enough for soccer moms and birthday party shooters because they aren't sophisticated enough to know the difference. That's not a insult to those shooters, it's just what you will find when you segment the market appropriately.

I'm thinking something like the Fuji XT1 that still "looks pro" so it'll appeal to this market ...

To quote Basil Fawlty: "You upper-class snob!"

 

[davidcl0nel]

I am not very firm about the international nomenclature...
Whats the name of the smallest DSLR, 100D ? Maybe this is a replacement for this model, to build it even smaller, if you can get rid of the prism.
Or is Rebel only the name of the middle class - in Europe its 300/350/.../700D.

 

[Pitbullo]

Hi,
If going pure EVF mean it'll be mirrorless... 2 possibilities:
1) Replace by EOS M or design a slim rebel and use EF-M mount.
2) Remain the similar size as current rebel, so can still use EF mount and also a larger capacity battery.

I hope at least is 2 as EVF need a lot of power...

Have a nice day.

My bet is that in the long run, the EF-S mount will be discontinued. It is wise to start introducing mirrorless in the rebel line, as the customers here probably is less demanding. Let the technology mature a bit before introducing mirrorless to the 70D/7D lineup.
I think the new rebels will be either M mount, or an all new mount which later on also will be usable for FF mirrorless, or there about.

 

[Lee Jay]

My bet is that in the long run, the EF-S mount will be discontinued. It is wise to start introducing mirrorless in the rebel line, as the customers here probably is less demanding. Let the technology mature a bit before introducing mirrorless to the 70D/7D lineup.

It would have to "mature" an order of magnitude or two before it would be usable in a 7D type camera.

 

[ahsanford]

EVF/OVF knowledge is lacking on my end. Someone please help me understand a few things / dispel a few misconceptions on my part:

(I'll cluster questions together to help you see where I am stuck / lack the knowledge to answer things. I don't think you need to answer each question so much as have one of them give you an a-ha! moment which flags what I fundamentally don't get.)

1) If this rumor is true and this means it will be an EVF camera with the mirror/SLR setup remaining intact:

• Why go EVF on an SLR line? Why have an EVF if there is a mirror in the way?
• Presuming Canon isn't digging into partially transparent mirrors, doesn't the mirror need to go up for the sensor (and therefore the EVF) to see anything?
• Are they just trying to get a LiveView working through the viewfinder? If that's the case, why have a mirror at all?
• Hybrid OVF / EVF function requires an optical viewfinder pathway that isn't in line with the sensor, doesn't it? Hybrid is only possible on something rangefinder-y like Fuji's bodies, right?

2) Now this battery of questions is interpreting this rumor to mean the new Rebels will get an EVF which replaces the traditional mirror setup. In this case, it would be EVF only / mirrorless. Questions if this is the direction:

• Why? They'd either keep their EF-S mount to sensor distance (to protect their stable of EF-S glass) and have a far thicker body than any mirrorless competitor or they'd adopt something smaller (like EF-M) that would require a lot of new lenses to be developed.
• Why convert Rebel's identity -- i.e. the most used SLR -- to mirrorless? Fantastic brand recognition, sure, but why redefine it so?
• Why isn't Canon's second-ever EVF (remember the GI X Mark II has one) being made for EOS-M first, where it is so desperately needed?

Finally, if you buy this rumor, surely it will be the first scenario and not the second, right?

- A

 

[Pitbullo]

My bet is that in the long run, the EF-S mount will be discontinued. It is wise to start introducing mirrorless in the rebel line, as the customers here probably is less demanding. Let the technology mature a bit before introducing mirrorless to the 70D/7D lineup.

It would have to "mature" an order of magnitude or two before it would be usable in a 7D type camera.

That was my thought also. Bringing the the rebel line into mirrorless makes much sense in that respect.

 

[Lee Jay]

• Why isn't Canon's second-ever EVF (remember the GI X Mark II has one) ...

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  So do the S1IS, S2IS, S3IS, S5IS, SX1, SX10, SX20, SX40, SX50, SX60, Pro 90 and Pro 1.

 

[ahsanford]

• Why isn't Canon's second-ever EVF (remember the GI X Mark II has one) ...

So do the S1IS, S2IS, S3IS, S5IS, SX1, SX10, SX20, SX40, SX50, SX60, Pro 90 and Pro 1.

Well, that's embarrassing.

- A

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

To me, it makes sense that the future SL2 has electronic viewfinder, and no mirror. But I see no advantage (for consumers) use mounting M. If you mount EF / EF-S maybe I'll buy one or two.

 

[Famateur]

If Canon retired the EF-S mount, wouldn't that harm the upgrade path to EF lenses (particularly L series)? Would someone using an entry level body with EF-M mount really be as likely to buy an L lens if they have to buy an adapter, too?

I just don't see Canon dumping EF-S any time soon...

 

[Lee Jay]

If Canon retired the EF-S mount, wouldn't that harm the upgrade path to EF lenses (particularly L series)? Would someone using an entry level body with EF-M mount really be as likely to buy an L lens if they have to buy an adapter, too?

I just don't see Canon dumping EF-S any time soon...

Me neither. There's no reason to, and they are still coming out with new EF-s lenses.

 

[Marsu42]

I just don't see Canon dumping EF-S any time soon...

But they're probably not advancing it further, either. Look at the last lens releases, esp. at the 16-35L/4 with IS with is just made to be a sturdy "standard" zoom on a 20mp crop camera...

 

[Sella174]

2) Now this battery of questions is interpreting this rumor to mean the new Rebels will get an EVF which replaces the traditional mirror setup. In this case, it would be EVF only / mirrorless. Questions if this is the direction:

• Why? They'd either keep their EF-S mount to sensor distance (to protect their stable of EF-S glass) and have a far thicker body than any mirrorless competitor or they'd adopt something smaller (like EF-M) that would require a lot of new lenses to be developed.

There is no absolute law that states mirrorless cameras must be small and have a short flange to focal plane distance. It is just something that somebody started to do and now everyone else does it. So maybe Canon has cottoned that these super-small SLR-like cameras - e.g. E-M5 & E-M10 - are just plain too small and that consumers will possibly want something a tad larger ... i.e. maybe their ergonomics experts have determined that their current line-up of DSLR cameras are just the right size?

• Why convert Rebel's identity -- i.e. the most used SLR -- to mirrorless? Fantastic brand recognition, sure, but why redefine it so?

Why not? The "Rebel" line started as a film SLR camera, then became a DSLR camera. So why not progress it to a mirrorless camera? Especially since the target audience for the "Rebel" line are more prone to adopt "new" technology than the more "settled" bunch for the top lines.[/list]

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

If Canon retired the EF-S mount, wouldn't that harm the upgrade path to EF lenses (particularly L series)? Would someone using an entry level body with EF-M mount really be as likely to buy an L lens if they have to buy an adapter, too?
I just don't see Canon dumping EF-S any time soon...

Agree. The fact that APS-C cameras are also compatible with EF lenses (without adapter) provides a secure upgrade path for consumers and profitable for Canon. Abandon EF-S mount would be a gigantic stupidity.

 

[c.d.embrey]

EVF are hopelessly bad. Still laggy. Yiiiiikes.

I'll take the tiny Rebel pentamirror any day over the EVFs available today.

The latest Olympus EVF has a lag of 0.016. (16 milliseconds). I wouldn't call that "hopelessly bad."

 

[Rocky]

If Canon retired the EF-S mount, wouldn't that harm the upgrade path to EF lenses (particularly L series)? Would someone using an entry level body with EF-M mount really be as likely to buy an L lens if they have to buy an adapter, too?

I just don't see Canon dumping EF-S any time soon...

If someone buys the L lens for the M, the cost of adapter is a small change. Why not?? On the other hand, the M mount lenses has already cover from 11mm to 200mm. That is more than enough for most people. One of the idea od M is to keep it small. Put a big L lens on it goes the opposite way. I have a 17-40 L, I have never consider mounting it on the M.