Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII

dilbert said:
It wasn't the camera's fault OR my fault - it was the ballhead on the tripod.

Would anyone else like to showcase their ignorance?

Correction: It's always the photographer's fault. Even in instances of gear failure, it's a photographer's fault for:

1) Not having backup gear.
2) Not having the correct gear for the job.
3) Not being able to work around gear failure to capture the shot through alternate means.
 
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hehehe ... glad to see DR. took some Drone-DRool-inducing pictures of that DReamlike DXO museum! ;D

neuroanatomist said:
But just a warning...Sadly, not everyone will appreciate your sense of humor. For example, I posted a humorous depiction of Canon banding and Exmor perfection after a 10-stop push:
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NancyP said:
Exactly why do people NEED to push 5 or more stops?

It's like proponents of Car Brand N trying to prove over and over that the bumpers on Car Brand N can withstand crashing into a tree at 7 miles per hour, while the bumpers on Car Brand C can only withstand crashing into a tree at 5 miles per hour. So they keep crashing into a tree at 6 miles per hour. How about just driving the car instead of crashing into tree?
 
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Thanks, great posting!

turtle said:
It looks like the D750 has hit a sweet spot in performance, size and price for many amateurs and pros. Well done to Nikon, but this does not mean anyone should be unhappy with the 5D III if it does what they need it to.

However, this does depend on what you shoot and how you work. Some of the DR obsessives could not take a good photo to save their lives, but some of the Canon fanboys are no different. As a long-time Canon user and owner of an A7 and A7R, I am weary of people trying to tell me that the only reason why 'people like me' are eager for Canon to improve banding issues and DR can only be because I cannot expose properly. I pity those making such comments for they inhabit a delusional world.

Most of the time the 5D III is all the camera I would ever see myself needing, but when you hit the wall with respect to banding and DR, then it is a pain in the butt. I would not have invested in Nik Dfine for no reason. It is because it allowed me to get numerous prints into portfolios, exhibition and sold. This is fact and no amount of bleating from those twits harping on about how 11.7 stop of DR is all you will ever need changes that.

If Canon sorts out the banding with the 5D IV and perhaps increases DR to 13+ stops, I think they will have pretty well all the bases covered, but I have a feeling they won't. I'm not sure they are ready.

The 5D III remains great and I have no intention of selling up now, but if the 5D IV does not make significant leaps in DR and banding then I will. Why? Because I want to be able to work in the same way with all my cameras as I can the A7 and A7R. It has been such a pleasure to work on the files. I have a far greater safety net with respect to DR, there is no banding to speak of and don't have to mess around with Dfine with tricky images that pushed the 5D III too far.

If you shoot city nightscapes in London, for example, the banding and DR of the 5D III will be acutely felt in perhaps 50% of sessions, precise subject depending. This is a fact and it has nothing whatsoever to do with exposure deficiencies. A good friend standing next to me shooting the same scenes had fantastic files to play with from his D600, where mine needed far more expertise and time to work on (exposure blending etc). Some were only fit for the trash. Think moonlit evenings over the Thames, with deep shade, artificial light sources etc. Sure this is testing stuff, but its real and what I need to shoot!

A few months ago, your choice was either a flawed D800 or a D600/610 with either oil on the sensor or crappy AF, build etc. Now, well, Nikon have two very refined products that will tackle extreme brightness range subjects better than a 5D III. Noticeably better. Less stress better. Better print better. And without the flaws of their predecessors. So lets not pretend it is not the case....

Canon's 5D IV will impress, but I am not convinced it will match the Nikons for DR or banding. If it closes the gap half way, that will probably be enough for most of us and I will be darned confident that the 5D IV will be more 'finished', tougher, more reliable and a truly outstanding camera in every other parameter. Canon still leads the way in terms of producing 'sorted cameras' for sure.

The D750 is a great success, assuming it is has no gremlins lurking for the consumers. Knocking it will achieve nothing.
 
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V8Beast said:
dilbert said:
It wasn't the camera's fault OR my fault - it was the ballhead on the tripod.

Would anyone else like to showcase their ignorance?

Correction: It's always the photographer's fault. Even in instances of gear failure, it's a photographer's fault for:

1) Not having backup gear.
2) Not having the correct gear for the job.
3) Not being able to work around gear failure to capture the shot through alternate means.

+1
 
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dilbert said:
In what areas is the D750 lesser than the more expensive 5D3?

Consumer build and control layout. That comes straight from the Nikon fans who are complaining about it and desiring a true successor to the D700.

The IQ is better simply because it doesn't have the banding and read noise of the 5D3. That's without even thinking about DR.

No, it only appears in extreme DR situations where you heavily underexpose and then push in post. Apart from that they have essentially identical IQ.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
But just a warning...Sadly, not everyone will appreciate your sense of humor. For example, I posted a humorous depiction of Canon banding and Exmor perfection after a 10-stop push:

LOL! Your images are probably being used as evidence in another forum ;D
 
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dilbert said:
V8Beast said:
dilbert said:
It wasn't the camera's fault OR my fault - it was the ballhead on the tripod.

Would anyone else like to showcase their ignorance?

Correction: It's always the photographer's fault. Even in instances of gear failure, it's a photographer's fault for:

1) Not having backup gear.
2) Not having the correct gear for the job.
3) Not being able to work around gear failure to capture the shot through alternate means.

Thank you for deciding this.

Maybe you would like to explain...
(1) What job I was there for on that day
(2) What backup gear I should have had for said occasion
(3) How I was meant to work around the gear failure through alternate means

dilbert said:
....it was the ballhead on the tripod.......
What job were you on? Doesn't matter, any job, anywhere, anytime, if it's worth doing, get it done well.

Who's ballhead?
Even if it wasn't yours, maybe rented or borrowed, you selected it, you decided it was adequate to bring along.
When it failed, that demonstrated failure of your choices and decisions.

Workarounds require cleverness, innovation, the creative ability to improvise on the spot with whatever is at hand.
Um, ballhead failure, tripod has become useless, find rocks, place clothing, backpack or whatever as an alternate support, trip shutter with IR remote that is always always along or the IR remote app on your smartphone.
Still can't get the composition you'd like? Wing it and find another.

Alternately, you can whiney post on CR, blame your gear choice, oh, sorry, that just went back to failure by your choice.
 
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dilbert said:
Thank you for deciding this.

Maybe you would like to explain...
(1) What job I was there for on that day
(2) What backup gear I should have had for said occasion
(3) How I was meant to work around the gear failure through alternate means

You tell me. I have no idea why you were there, although based on the other comments in this thread, it's safe to assume it wasn't a paid gig.

If the ballhead is unstable, how about holding it still with your hands, setting the camera down on another steady surface (ground, table), or utilizing a shutter speed that allows hand holding?

Edit: Looks like tolusina beat me to the punch. At any rate, the solutions to such a simple problem seem rather universal :)
 
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dilbert said:
So you (and tolusina) have no idea why I was there or where I was, yet you see fit to decide that I could have done something else.

You're right. We don't know why, so why don't you just tell us?

Hint: with that level of light, the shutter speed is measured in seconds, not tenths of seconds, and humans are not steady enough and nor does IS work in situations like that.

Which is why myself and others suggested stabilizing the camera through different means. This is a 10-second exposure, and the camera is wobbling around quite a bit off a boom, yet the image is still sharp. Your hands can work quite well as stabilizers in a pinch.

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dilbert said:
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So you (and tolusina) have no idea why I was there or where I was, yet you see fit to decide that I could have done something else.

Hint: with that level of light, the shutter speed is measured in seconds, not tenths of seconds, and humans are not steady enough and nor does IS work in situations like that.
Well dilbert, please, stop with the passive aggressive head game set up and tell us your excuse for your failed preparations for whatever you failed at doing and wherever you were failing at doing your mysterious whatever.
You can drop the other shoe, make us look the fool. If you can.

Hint: long exposure, mirror lock up, self timer, IR remote, tethered remote are all options for triggering.
There are endless support possibilities with things on hand, granted, it does take a bit of imagination and creativity to solve.
One of my best and favorite portraits used a suitcase for support. I've used rocks, trees, trash cans, automotive engine oil drain barrels, anything at hand padded with something else at hand.
Canon's inexpensive IR remote resides on my camera's strap, it's always available, I've a free IR remote app on my phone as back up.
I've DSLR Remote for cabled or WiFi tethering on four androids, at least one is always along as is a USB OTG host cable and standard USB cable.

What? Were you using a phone for a camera's job? If so, that's really laughable.

Wild animal or jealous husband chasing you? Fire? Thunderstorm? Bad times to photograph, failed planning.

Bottom line, whatever it was, apparently you failed.
 
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V8Beast said:
Which is why myself and others suggested stabilizing the camera through different means. This is a 10-second exposure, and the camera is wobbling around quite a bit off a boom, yet the image is still sharp. Your hands can work quite well as stabilizers in a pinch.

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Nice shot!

But why isn't it pushed +5 stops? ;)
 
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If you screw up the exposures, a good sensor might save your bacon. Planning and thinking the shot through will produce a good image on any camera. It's really all about getting a money making shot and a happy client. Nothing more, nothing less. Liken this back to the film days when we argued over which was the best film manufacturer. As soon as and argument was won, a new film would come out that blew away the previous choice.
 
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neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
Even if the cameras are comparable at higher ISOs, having one that performs better at lower ISOs is always a nice thing to have. Think of it as an extra feature added in for free such that you don't just have IQ performance comparable to Canon's but better.

How do you conclude that it's 'free'?? Does that extra low ISO DR come with a handholdable 600/4? Does it come with an AF system having >40 cross-type points? Etc.

Dont understand. Just because we have handhold able 600, we should not get better IQ at lower ISO?
 
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sanj said:
neuroanatomist said:
dilbert said:
Even if the cameras are comparable at higher ISOs, having one that performs better at lower ISOs is always a nice thing to have. Think of it as an extra feature added in for free such that you don't just have IQ performance comparable to Canon's but better.

How do you conclude that it's 'free'?? Does that extra low ISO DR come with a handholdable 600/4? Does it come with an AF system having >40 cross-type points? Etc.

Dont understand. Just because we have handhold able 600, we should not get better IQ at lower ISO?

The point is, a lens that big is generally used for stopping action, which requires faster shutter speeds and higher ISO's. So the Exmor low ISO 'advantage' is totally moot.
 
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