No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

[K-amps]

No, Canon, no!

Video is, with a few exceptions, a slow and boring form of communication. Once people realize that no one wants to watch their boring clips, this will fade. Sure, it's possible now to shoot HD video at reasonable prices, but who needs it?

Apologies of course to those who actually are able to make good video.

+1

The videos I make are hard to watch, I have stopped trying... the pics I take are not as terrible

 

[rocketdesigner]

digital rev had the same feeling.

This is why the 5d MKIII is going to be something of an upgrade that we are going to have to just wait out, it has to fill some big shoes of it's predecessor and what we expect, kinda reminds me of how blizzard takes the longest time to make it's games Starcraft / Diablo.

The 5d MKII is a crazy great camera; think the biggest upgrade for me to have is (skipping MP's to be honest)

1.) EVF viewfinder
2.) Bigger flip any direction HD screen
- extra -
XLR input with phantom power & an audio-output to monitor audio while recording (built in)
3.) Slow-Mo Video setting + more Cinema style settings
4.) Canon Professional Video editing software be nice too bundled in.

XLR input on a dslr body? You're kidding, right? .... it will never happen...

 

[mreco99]

On the videocamera... ok wotever..

Back to the more interesting rumor on 5Dmk2 replacement, there is no way we would find out if there is one coming. The moment is it actually known when a replacement is coming, virtually all 5dmk2 sales will stop, except those buyers with no interest in cameras which, lets face it, if your spending $$$$$ on 5dmk2 + bits, your generally going to research the internet a bit (or for most of us, a hell of a lot, infact WAy to much)

This is a very strange time given the devastation earlier this year to stock and manufacturing plants. Its not long ago they only just got back up to full production. So we know before July/Aug there was no stock of the 5Dmk2, so there was no stock pile to try and reduce. We are in September and there are price cuts, so this isnt to shift a massive stock pile of 5Dmk2's.
So obviously they are making 5dmk2 again, if they announces a replacement now, available for Feb 2012, who do you think is going to buy a 5dmk2? Thats right, the people i mentioned above and there arnt many of them at this price point.
So theres no way we will be finding out in advance when it will be out.

Which is GREAT news because that means it could still be out for XMAS!!! whoop whoop.

Personally i think they will keep slightly reducing the price of the 5dmk2 up till xmas, to maximise sales, and announce a replacement Feb/Mar 2012. If the sale of the 5dmk2 are weak they will bring the replacement forward, assuming its ready.

 

[K-amps]

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Personally i think they will keep slightly reducing the price of the 5dmk2 up till xmas, to maximise sales, and announce a replacement Feb/Mar 2012. If the sale of the 5dmk2 are weak they will bring the replacement forward, assuming its ready.

Makes sense, unless people stop buying the 5D2, why would Canon be pushed to release a 5D3?

5D2 plus Magic lantern firmware is almost a 5D mk. 2.5 if you look at all the video features, and great stuff like AEB 9 shots, Focus bracketing and a bunch of other stuff that some people want.

Personally the only thing I am looking for them to improve is even better high ISO performance, otherwise the 5d2 is such a great performer as it is.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Is the Date just a coincidence?

3rd of November ... MK III

3rd Anniversary to the day of the release of the video "Reverie" filmed with the 5D MK II?

Any Numerologists??

(Credit to Vincent Laforet's Blog)

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/09/22/will-the-number-3-be-a-significant-number/

 

[Dave Creu]

digital rev had the same feeling.

This is why the 5d MKIII is going to be something of an upgrade that we are going to have to just wait out, it has to fill some big shoes of it's predecessor and what we expect, kinda reminds me of how blizzard takes the longest time to make it's games Starcraft / Diablo.

The 5d MKII is a crazy great camera; think the biggest upgrade for me to have is (skipping MP's to be honest)

1.) EVF viewfinder
2.) Bigger flip any direction HD screen
- extra -
XLR input with phantom power & an audio-output to monitor audio while recording (built in)
3.) Slow-Mo Video setting + more Cinema style settings
4.) Canon Professional Video editing software be nice too bundled in.

XLR input on a dslr body? You're kidding, right? .... it will never happen...

Unless they implement XLR input into the next generation battery grip. LOTS of filmmakers still want the DSLR form factor over a full on camcorder.

 

[Meh]

Is the Date just a coincidence?

3rd of November ... MK III

3rd Anniversary to the day of the release of the video "Reverie" filmed with the 5D MK II?

Any Numerologists??

Love it.

 

[traveller]

It wouldn't surprise me if there are no FF anouncements this year as there isn't exactly a lot of competition in respect of new models from Nikon or Sony. There's also not a lot of spare wealth going around at the moment.

This will mean that 2012 would be a busy year for Canon as people will be expecting two new FF cameras, a new Rebel and a mirrorless system; on top of that the 7D and 60D will be getting close to the end of their product cycle...

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

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Personally i think they will keep slightly reducing the price of the 5dmk2 up till xmas, to maximise sales, and announce a replacement Feb/Mar 2012. If the sale of the 5dmk2 are weak they will bring the replacement forward, assuming its ready.

Makes sense, unless people stop buying the 5D2, why would Canon be pushed to release a 5D3?

5D2 plus Magic lantern firmware is almost a 5D mk. 2.5 if you look at all the video features, and great stuff like AEB 9 shots, Focus bracketing and a bunch of other stuff that some people want.

Personally the only thing I am looking for them to improve is even better high ISO performance, otherwise the 5d2 is such a great performer as it is.

because if you wait until you simply have to release you then you have waited too long

release it early and you catch enough attention to even grab share from other makers

and in video they are going to utterly loose all they had gained, although maybe these new camcorders will pseudo help with that, depending but it also gives a bad feeling that now the video division will insist on DSLR video crippling since canon loves internal segmentation so much

 

[lbloom]

The 5Dmkii has been "due" for replacement for a while but I guess Canon is resetting the refresh clock, hopefully the improvements will be worth the wait!

 

[ecka]

"No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3"?
What did you expect? Canon has never announced a DSLR in November (December too). Why it should be different this year?
October is their last chance in 2011.

 

[sailingmunch]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

 

[ecka]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

 

[thepancakeman]

Is the Date just a coincidence?

3rd of November ... MK III

3rd Anniversary to the day of the release of the video "Reverie" filmed with the 5D MK II?

Any Numerologists??

(Credit to Vincent Laforet's Blog)

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/09/22/will-the-number-3-be-a-significant-number/

Not only that, but it will be 33 megapixel, improve ISO performance by 3 stops, and sell for $3k!

 

[gene_can_sing]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

Yes, I can remember all of that over the years. Light meters, no photocell, press 25 flash bulbs, ASA 10 slide film, we've come alonng way. I also remember the mirrorless Canon Pellix QL which a friend of mine bought. It was never popular, because light loss was so critical in the days of slow film speeds, and manually focusing thru a darkened screen was only possible in good light.

Now, technology is capable of dealing with those shortcomings and the advantages are tipping the scale towards mirrorless for a large number of photographers. Just as some will always prefer tube stereos, some will prefer thru the lens, manual focus, etc. More power to them, but I expect them to become the exception as time goes on.

 

[ecka]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

However, today's EVF technology is not at the level when it is actually better than the OVF (yet). But I'm sure it will evolve and replace the pentaprism in the future. The problem is that nobody knows when that future is coming till it's already here. Finally, 5D won't become a camcorder no matter what your dreams are, it's a DSLR. Just wait for Canon to release a FF something which will be THE camera for videos.

 

[gene_can_sing]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

However, today's EVF technology is not at the level when it is actually better than the OVF (yet). But I'm sure it will evolve and replace the pentaprism in the future. The problem is that nobody knows when that future is coming till it's already here. Finally, 5D won't become a camcorder no matter what your dreams are, it's a DSLR. Just wait for Canon to release a FF something which will be THE camera for videos.

You know what's strange is that after shooting video with the Canon DSLRs, I now way prefer the DSLR form factor for shooting video. I've owned video cameras, a 16mm Eclair ACL and a Beaulieu super 8mm and the DSLR is so small and easy to shoot with, form factor wise, especially for hand held type stuff where often now, I just pull out the slack in the neck strap and it because a super stable rig of sorts, and you can do it quickly if you're shooting b-roll without setting up a rig. You just have so many options with DSLRs in terms of how to outfit it.

It's nice because you can add rigs and what not to make the DSLR as big and gadgety as you want, but it can be stripped all the way down to a simple, small camera; and that is something you just can't do with the larger video cameras.

The only reason why video people love the 5D is because it's the only Full Frame video camera so it has that special look that you can't get with other cameras.

Mostly, I just want the thing to come out. Tired of waiting like everyone else.

 

[AG]

^ an evf will ruin the 5d line evf flickr and are unprofessional I prefer optical viewfinders but thats just me.

and you are not alone

Things heard in the past
1) Film is better, digital is unprofessional
2) Auto focus is unprofessional. Manual focus in what the Pros do.
3) Electronic aperture is for amateurs. I need the aperture ring.

Now, most people now will not go back to film, want their 90 point autofocus and all the exposure features that electronic aperture offer. And SOON, people will think the same thing about EVFs. They will say, how did I ever live without it? Why? Because EVFs allows a much broader range of useable lenses, much better judging of exposure and from what I understand (I might be wrong) a faster burst speed (like the new Sonys) which is only possible without the mirror.

Ironically, I shoot video so I don't use auto focus, I would prefer a manual aperture ring for more universal adaption. But I want an EVF because of benefits mentioned above, especially quicker snap judgement of exposure without relying so much on the meter when doing things Manual, which is what I almost always do.

Just like all other aspects of a modern camera, electronics will over take the OVF and in hindsight, people will embrace it and learn to like it.

However, today's EVF technology is not at the level when it is actually better than the OVF (yet). But I'm sure it will evolve and replace the pentaprism in the future. The problem is that nobody knows when that future is coming till it's already here. Finally, 5D won't become a camcorder no matter what your dreams are, it's a DSLR. Just wait for Canon to release a FF something which will be THE camera for videos.

You know what's strange is that after shooting video with the Canon DSLRs, I now way prefer the DSLR form factor for shooting video. I've owned video cameras, a 16mm Eclair ACL and a Beaulieu super 8mm and the DSLR is so small and easy to shoot with, form factor wise, especially for hand held type stuff where often now, I just pull out the slack in the neck strap and it because a super stable rig of sorts, and you can do it quickly if you're shooting b-roll without setting up a rig. You just have so many options with DSLRs in terms of how to outfit it.

It's nice because you can add rigs and what not to make the DSLR as big and gadgety as you want, but it can be stripped all the way down to a simple, small camera; and that is something you just can't do with the larger video cameras.

The only reason why video people love the 5D is because it's the only Full Frame video camera so it has that special look that you can't get with other cameras.

Mostly, I just want the thing to come out. Tired of waiting like everyone else.

Agreed

 

[PXL_Pusher]

<sarcasm>

Well... Looks like everyone will just have to settle and deal with that piece of junk mkII... :

< / sarcasm>


C'mon folks.... who are you kidding? (directed at anyone that feels that this delay is apocalypse as we know it)
I mean, I want the 5DmkIII released just as bad as the next guy... considering that my jump to FF has been directly linked to this release. But even I can't complain. I have an amazingly adequate 7D + glass that let's me do anything from helping me create the professional work that pays my bills, to letting me get completely creative in trying to express and capture what it is my brain is processing.

I understand that the current mkII could be improved on in a number aspects, but I don't believe that the camera is holding anyone back from being able to work or play at full potential. Need faster AF? rent/acquire a 7D. Need more FPS, MP annnd need to stay Full Frame? Rent/use/borrow/purchase a 1D. Besides, if a job demands that much performance from equipment - the pay should more than cover the small investment on equipment AND your upgrade once the DSLR's are announced.

I'm done venting. It's just I feel that sometimes people lose track of the fact that a camera is a tool. Like a pencil, photoshop, phillips head screw drivers.. etc. A tool helps us carry out a task... but it is impossible for the task to be carried out without the tool being in skilled hands. In other words, I can't wait for that release, but until then... I will be just fine with what I got.