No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]

[LetTheRightLensIn]

:'(

I am guessing that getting the new 18 micron process thang is not going as well as they would like... The 7D mk II will probably be the first to be released using the new process, somewhere around 24 MP with ISO up to 102,400... probably the new 3200 ISO will be as good as the old 400 ISO...

That is not how it works. They are way too close to max efficiency. It's low ISO DR there the new process might help many stops, not mid-tone gray SNR at high ISO (although it might perhaps, if they have some new fancy thing, extend high ISO DR, if not mid-tone SNR, but that is not so easy, we will see).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I am not disappointed. If this means that the camera is going to truly be an upgrade, and a 1D-level APS-C camera as some rumors previously indicated (one rumor indicated the camera will be full-size with integrated grip), and if it means much higher DR, finally solving the shadow problems, and a weaker or eliminated AA filter, with 5D mk III-level high ISO performance or better, it is going to be well worth the wait.

Although, if it means a 7D2 with tweaked 7D AF and an old process sensor way behind Exmor and a 3D with 40MP and 3 less stops DR than the D800 for $6000 though.... gonna really get ugly this time.

I think that won't be the case, but you never know. Canon has been soooo conservative (and arrogant with we are the ultimate kings and a decade ahead of everyone talk) it takes time to turn around from that mindset.

 

[MarkII]

Yes, but as these forums keep showing, "real" photographers don't need more low ISO DR nor no more of them mega-pickles

Seriously though, none of this can be good for Canon. A so-so EOS-M launch, re-heated entry-level DSLRs, and lenses that seem to take forever to become available. I hope that there is a serious shake-up going on internally as the world outside of Canon is not standing still.

More positively, I think that it makes sense for Canon to concentrate on higher performance lenses than for new high-end bodies just now. As the D800 is showing, you can add all the pixels you want, but they aren't much use unless you have the lenses to make use of them.

 

[Don Haines]

come on people.... haven't you figured it out yet? The 7D2 will have a mode dial that goes all the way around!

 

[wrlphoto]

I'm glad I took the plunge and went FF with the 6D instead of waiting to see if I wanted the 70D or new 7D instead. I'm having a lot of fun playing with and taking pics with my 6D instead of more waiting!

me too. Just ordered a 6d.should be here Wednesday

 

[Loswr]

Although, if it means a 7D2 with tweaked 7D AF and an old process sensor way behind Exmor and a 3D with 40MP and 3 less stops DR than the D800 for $6000 though.... gonna really get ugly this time.

Ugly in here, probably. Out in the real world, though, as usual Canon will sell them like hotcakes...

 

[Efka76]

Canon decided to milk 7D for additional year. 7D is really good camera and I am satisfied with its performance but is seems really odd to release update only after 5 years. I think that Canon's management and marketing department were sitting, scratching their bold heads and were thinking how to cripple 1Dx and 5D MarkIII, put old sensor and call it 7D MrkII

If you put the same AF system as in 5DIII and many other features, it might affect 5DIII sales. Accodingly in my humble opinion it was decided to fully milk 5DIII and 7D and only next year release update. Also, i really do not expect from Canon some very substantial developments in that updated 7DII version as current trend shows that Nikon, Sony are announcing various new developments first. Canon is still worldwide leader however they are really sleeping and milking the same cow, which could be dead quite soon.

 

[rockmon!]

Newcomer here... former 25 year Nikonite. Do all followers feel that this source is a legit one? I've been following the whole 7DMKII ambiguity since September of 2012. I have now been without a body since January anticipating the arrival...

Is the general belief that there will be no 7DMKII until 2014 and should I just get off the pot and get a 7D until such time?

Advice?

 

[kimvette]

Ugly in here, probably. Out in the real world, though, as usual Canon will sell them like hotcakes...

Yup, haters gonna hate and declare the fall of Canon, while Canon simultaneously posts press releases indicating record sales and inability to keep up with demand for months after the replacement comes out.

If Canon were to introduce a 50 MP crop camera that goes to ISO 2,400,000 cleanly, 24 stop dynamic range, integrated intervalometer, uncompressed HDMI output, 24 fps still shooting, and a choice of CFast and SDXC storage, and AF that works down to f/11 and never, ever misses a shot and even knows telepathically what the shooter is aiming for and not focus on the closest high contrast object in full auto green box mode, and include two batteries and two 120GB storage cards, all at the price of today's 60D, AND include an L-series lens as part of the kit, haters would still find something to whine about.

 

[2n10]

Newcomer here... former 25 year Nikonite. Do all followers feel that this source is a legit one? I've been following the whole 7DMKII ambiguity since September of 2012. I have now been without a body since January anticipating the arrival...

Is the general belief that there will be no 7DMKII until 2014 and should I just get off the pot and get a 7D until such time?

Advice?

Get a 7D now, maybe a refurbished one from Canon to save a little cash. Sell it when the 7D Mark II comes out.

 

[Famateur]

The same thing they do every night, Pinky...try to take over the (dSLR market share) world.

Laughed out loud at the Animaniacs reference. And to have a member nicknamed "Neuro" quoting a character named "the Brain"? Most excellent.

What in the holy hell is Canon doing? To many stupid cinema cams and lenses and idiotic mirrorless bodies and lenses?

They're already way, way late to the party and they're delaying again?

From what I gather, as I piece all the rumors together, this is not a case of arrogance or milking or any of the other things impatient people are reading between the lines. My guess (and I could be just as wrong as anyone else), is that mass production of the new sensor technology Canon was going to release in new bodies this year has encountered unexpected and not easily resolved difficulties. The incremental updates are a necessity to bring something to market during a time when they had intended to bring the 70D and 7DII (and perhaps an M with the new sensor).

If your product roadmap was suddenly hit with unexpected and lengthy delays, what would you do?

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[*]Stick to the roadmap and endure the delay with nothing new to bring to market (so as not to offend those looking for a significant upgrade), or
[*]Produce some incremental updates to keep your product lineup somewhat fresh (so as to satisfy new DSLR customers who will likely be upgrading at some point when the roadmap is back on track).
[/list]

I would choose the latter, and I suspect that is what Canon is doing, too. For what it's worth...

As someone who was hoping for a 70D with new sensor tech this year, I am a bit disappointed by this rumor. If true, it would seem that the 70D will be getting the sensor of the T5i/SL1, rather than the new tech that is holding up the 7DII. Disappointed or not, I expect Canon is doing its best to get the 7DII and new tech to market as fast as possible.

In the meantime, I took a few hurried snaps of my kiddoes with my trusty G12 the other day that turned out beautifully and will be stored in the "priceless" folder on my hard drive (and backup drives!).

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Although, if it means a 7D2 with tweaked 7D AF and an old process sensor way behind Exmor and a 3D with 40MP and 3 less stops DR than the D800 for $6000 though.... gonna really get ugly this time.

Ugly in here, probably. Out in the real world, though, as usual Canon will sell them like hotcakes...

Don't be so sure that a 7D2 with a minor tweak to the AF and a sensor similar to the current one would sell like hotcakes. At some point it will catch up to a company.

(And it would be nothing to cheer about, as a user, if half-baked update sold like hot cakes either. Unless you on the board and take the money and run.)

And back in say 2004-2006 when students asked what system to get it was Canon, Canon, Canon. Everyone at papers had Canon. Sidelines were Canon, Canon. If you see people out and about it was Canon. Now when you hear people getting advice it is at least as often look into Nikon and you see a lot of Nikons at games, people walking around with them, etc.

And if you look at the video forums, it's pretty clear that their DSLR stuff isn't making the splash or sales that the 5D2 did. The cinema guys tend to not have even a hint of fanboy in them much and they don't wait for anything they just move on and the talk there generally looks to me fiercer than in the stills forums actually.

 

[CarlTN]

... probably the new 3200 ISO will be as good as the old 400 ISO...

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. More like ISO 800 similar to the 7D's ISO 400...if that.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

From what I gather, as I piece all the rumors together, this is not a case of arrogance or milking or any of the other things impatient people are reading between the lines. My guess (and I could be just as wrong as anyone else), is that mass production of the new sensor technology Canon was going to release in new bodies this year has encountered unexpected and not easily resolved difficulties. The incremental updates are a necessity to bring something to market during a time when they had intended to bring the 70D and 7DII (and perhaps an M with the new sensor).

The milking and arrogance came when they held off trying to upgrade things for so long. Of course it takes time and at this point it may not be milking or anything, it does take a lot of time to get it going.

If your product roadmap was suddenly hit with unexpected and lengthy delays, what would you do?

Have started it going earlier.

At this point in time I'd delay though, which is what they seem to be doing, rather than dumping out whatever.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

It's no fuss to me, I prolly wouldn't buy one any how. I far prefer full frame.

 

[jrista]

Somewhere in my mind I have the feeling Canon might not be doing the 0.18 micron process at all, but instead going directly to the next one (0.12, 0.09 or 0.065 maybe?), and that is why they have such problems in getting it to roll.

It makes sense doing something like that when you have your own factories and do not want to upgrade them too often. Going to 0.18, just to do it all over again in 2 years? I don't think so. But, leapfrogging the competition and take them by surprise, and in the same time prolonging the active time of the process platform? Yes, I think I'll vote for that.

I would rather wait and have the best Canon can possibly offer, than get something six months from now that won't hold up over the next four years. I would LOVE to see a 90nm part from Canon...I think that would put them back on the map as a technology leader, and should really offer some amazing IQ as well.

With this news, I've finalized my decision to buy a 5D III this year. If the 7D II won't be out until next year, no point in waiting for it. I intend to get both bodies eventually, and since the 5D III is here and stable, sounds like the best option! By the end of the year, I hope to be lugging around an EF 600 f/4 L IS II and 5D III with a 2x teleconverter!

 

[pdirestajr]

I have a feeling that the 7DIII is even better than the 7DII. I'm thinking about selling all of my gear now so it doesn't lose any more value and then just wait till 2019. It's gonna be AMAZING!

 

[unfocused]

And back in say 2004-2006 when students asked what system to get it was Canon, Canon, Canon. Everyone at papers had Canon. Sidelines were Canon, Canon. If you see people out and about it was Canon. Now when you hear people getting advice it is at least as often look into Nikon and you see a lot of Nikons at games, people walking around with them, etc.

And back in say 2004-2006 1973-78 when students asked what system to get it was Canon, Canon, Canon. Pentax, Pentax, Pentax. Everyone at papers had Canon Nikon. Sidelines were Canon, Canon. Nikon, Nikon. If you see people out and about it was Canon Pentax. Now when you hear people getting advice it is at least as often look into Nikon Canon and you see a lot of Nikons Canons at games, people walking around with them, etc.

Canon clawed their way to the top over about 30-40 years. They weren't always the leader they are today. They did so by running a smart business. Sales figures would indicate they still know what they are doing. Do people buy other brands? Of course they do. It's not in our best interests for any company to have a monopoly share of the market. Every time Nikon introduces a new product, I'm very happy because it means Canon must compete.

 

[FTb-n]

I bought my 5D3 a couple months ago with a bit of fear that I'd regret it if the 7D2 became available this summer with a significant boost in high ISO IQ. It didn't take long to realize that the 5D3 can do a lot more than the 7D, except in the burst mode department. (But, the 5D3 isn't shabby at burst.)

For the past year, the 7D was my primary camera. I couldn't imagine doing without the extra reach. Now all that has changed. The high ISO and color depth of the 5D3 has relegated my 7D to backup status.

I really hope Canon does introduce a new king of the crop body cameras. But, I'll be watching for refurb and rebate price deals to replace my 7D with another 5D3 body.

Funny. For about a year, I was glued to CR for new updates on the 7D2. I'm not so glued anymore.

 

[CarlTN]

I have a feeling that the 7DIII is even better than the 7DII. I'm thinking about selling all of my gear now so it doesn't lose any more value and then just wait till 2019. It's gonna be AMAZING!

:-D I recently finally sold my "old" XXD body, got a lot more than I thought I would. The Canon name, does mean a lot...as does one's reputation as a seller, and their attention to upkeep.

Given the new "news" or rumor (no 7D2 until 2014), I would think current 7D's on the used market, just got a new lease on life. Maybe used prices will start to go up?

For my own needs/wants, I never want another 1.6x crop camera again. Something between 1x and 1.6x would be interesting...but only at or close to the 1 series body level. Let's face it, if that ever happens, it just might be a 1DX replacement. I had thought a 1DX "ii" would be first announced around mid or late 2015, but now I'm thinking 2016. Probably too early to speculate!