Yup. I mentioned this long ago. They did lots of body releases in 2012. Can't expect the same in 2013. And they want to put some new tech. in as well. 2014 will be a great year for Canon bodies!
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No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
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CarlTN said:
Personally i hope aprilforever is right since if THAT is what comes out of a crop you know how good the FF will be
however i'm more inclined to agree with your take Carl
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Kind of disappointing that CR has nothing better to report than yet another camera no one really needs not coming out anytime soon to sit on the shelves collecting dust because as soon as it is announced everyone is instantly waiting for the next model.
Look, there are probably two (maybe three) people on the planet who have actually exceeded the capabilities of the equipment they already own. Everyone else just wants to be part of a social discussion and complain about what each new model should have had, needs to have, doesn't have, etc etc.. The reality is that consumers themselves are responsible for what new models do not have because the manufacturers feel they have to instantly gratify the squeaky wheels in order to be successful. If people would simply use what they have until it stops working then the manufacturers would only release a new body in each tier maybe every three/four years. Then when they did it would actually be the latest and greatest and would hold you for the rest of its life, certainly until technology advances to the point a new model is even warranted. (Megapixels are not technology in a photographic context, sorry.)
I will offer two pieces of wisdom to the 'photographers' out there in the form of advice and a bit of reality:
1) It does not matter who you are or who you think you are, you are not even a fraction as capable as the camera you already hold in your hand..
2) Spend your money on the only piece/s of equipment that will ever improve your photography - lenses.. If you have anything left over and just have to spend it on something, take a class or attend a symposium to learn how to be a better photographer.
Look, there are probably two (maybe three) people on the planet who have actually exceeded the capabilities of the equipment they already own. Everyone else just wants to be part of a social discussion and complain about what each new model should have had, needs to have, doesn't have, etc etc.. The reality is that consumers themselves are responsible for what new models do not have because the manufacturers feel they have to instantly gratify the squeaky wheels in order to be successful. If people would simply use what they have until it stops working then the manufacturers would only release a new body in each tier maybe every three/four years. Then when they did it would actually be the latest and greatest and would hold you for the rest of its life, certainly until technology advances to the point a new model is even warranted. (Megapixels are not technology in a photographic context, sorry.)
I will offer two pieces of wisdom to the 'photographers' out there in the form of advice and a bit of reality:
1) It does not matter who you are or who you think you are, you are not even a fraction as capable as the camera you already hold in your hand..
2) Spend your money on the only piece/s of equipment that will ever improve your photography - lenses.. If you have anything left over and just have to spend it on something, take a class or attend a symposium to learn how to be a better photographer.
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Wow! I have the same exact story except that it happened a year earlier. Now I am just curious to know what the 7D2 will be like. I would like it to be my second body. But I will wait another three years (or so) for that. No hurry. I'll wait for the prices to drop. See I am already dreaming about 2016-2017...FTb-n said:
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SiliconVoid said:
OH MY GOSH! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'M ALREADY A BETTER PHOTOGRAPHER BECAUSE OF YOU!!
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bdunbar79 said:
I'm really laughing as I write this ON AN IPOD!!!! It really hurts to be told that I am nowhere near as capable as the camera in my hand when that camera is ON AN IPOD..... and not even the latest generation!
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We must have patience with the newbies!!! In one sense he is right. If you are starting out, you need to focus on skills. For those of us that have been at this for 30 plus years, we focus a LOT of attention on tools in these forums and less on skills. It's the tools that we rely on to earn our living. As one tool wears out we look for a new tool to take it's place that hopefully can improve on areas the old tool was lacking. Newbies wont understand that until they have been at this for as long as we have.
We stretch every technical capability we can out of current tech and then stretch it even more with hours of post processing to get rid of or work around the deficiencies in the current tech. We know/hope that the next model will improve our livelihood, reduce the hours spent at the computer, and allow us to push the envelope once again.
Newbies are not there yet. They dont understand concepts of expose to the right, expose to the left, unsharp masking, and digital dynamic range. We hope that with the next model all of these will be included so we dont have to waste our time dealing with it.
Newbies? They are ones that we have to deal with as we were all once in their shoes.
...Now where's that dang 7D Mark II !!!
We stretch every technical capability we can out of current tech and then stretch it even more with hours of post processing to get rid of or work around the deficiencies in the current tech. We know/hope that the next model will improve our livelihood, reduce the hours spent at the computer, and allow us to push the envelope once again.
Newbies are not there yet. They dont understand concepts of expose to the right, expose to the left, unsharp masking, and digital dynamic range. We hope that with the next model all of these will be included so we dont have to waste our time dealing with it.
Newbies? They are ones that we have to deal with as we were all once in their shoes.
...Now where's that dang 7D Mark II !!!
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SiliconVoid said:
Thanks for the wisdom, but frankly that's a bit harsh don't you think? No need to talk down to people. I think most of us are trying to be better photographers. Maybe not all of us...
I'm very happy with my new 6D; I have not one complaint with it. It has, I think about 3500 shutter actuations in the last 5 weeks, since I bought it (most of these were done in "one shot" mode). And I'm not exactly a person who is easy to please, or has not written critically of cameras, lenses, photographs, or photographers for that matter.
It might be the strongest link in my photo arsenal. I might be the weakest, but without me, it just sits there.
Btw, does anyone have an opinion on the ridiculous apple tv ad campaign, where they state emphatically "more pictures are shot every day with an iPhone, than with any other camera"...? Talk about a claim that is difficult to back up...especially since it can't possibly be true.
For example, there are far more smartphones from other makers in the world, than there are iPhones...Apple has what, 12% worldwide market share? It's something like that...probably less.
And...the last time I saw a press conference, every photo journalist in the room is holding down 10 or 12 fps bursts for 30 minutes at a time...I much prefer the sound of those shutters to the sound of the idiotic liar at the mic! How many photo journalists are there, and how many thousand pictures do they take a day?
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CarlTN said:
meh it probably is true they do need to add in the disclaimer
"please note 99% of these photos are hidiously noisey washed out selfies of people with little to no photographic skill that will propogate though the facebookosphere for eternity"
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The 7D Mark II hit the market in march 2014 if Canon don´t change the timeline. Prototypes are out for testing. This year you see only a 70D. Canon don´t put the 70D on the market in april 2013 because the camera can´t reach the D7100.
Expect the higher megapixel camera around august 2014 (+/- 2 month). But if Nikon put the D4X this year on the market Canon gets a little bit in stress.
Lens production is a funny thing. It´s no problem to manufacture a few prototypes, but it is a little bit tricky to do the mass production.
A EF 12-24 2.8 L and a EF 14-24 2.8 L is out for testing. The EF 100-400 IS L replacement is out for testing too. But there are many problems.
Expect the higher megapixel camera around august 2014 (+/- 2 month). But if Nikon put the D4X this year on the market Canon gets a little bit in stress.
Lens production is a funny thing. It´s no problem to manufacture a few prototypes, but it is a little bit tricky to do the mass production.
A EF 12-24 2.8 L and a EF 14-24 2.8 L is out for testing. The EF 100-400 IS L replacement is out for testing too. But there are many problems.
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SiliconVoid said:
Absurd. I mean sure there is tons for everyone to learn and you can make amazing pics of a certain sort with all sorts of equipment and there is always more you can learn to get out of it but, come on all the same.
Go to a rookie on the sidelines shooting some soccer with a rebel and a 70-300 IS non-L and then swap that out for a 1DX and a 300 2.8 and believe me his take will be better. Give his rebel rig to the pro and his take will go down.
Let someone shoot a high DR natural world scene where neither multiple shots nor special filters will work. Let them shoot with a 7stops DR camera and then a 16 stop DR camera.
A camera with a nicer UI can sure be more fun to use.
A beginner with a DSLR and instant feedback will probably progress a lot faster than with a film camera.
because AF, fps, etc. etc. never matter ever. EVER!
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I get your point to an extent but you are taking it from something profound to the absurd.
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SiliconVoid said:
From time to time i bump into this pearl of wisdom.
Since this is CR and not Instagram's "#look what i ate today!" lets see some examples of how difficult it really is to exceeded the capabilities of the 7d in question:
- Do you still get random OOFs when tracking even though you played with the settings and your technique is adequate?
- Have you ever hit buffer limit?
- Ever disappointed by WB under artificial lighting?
- You tried to lift shadows only to find the surprise underneath?
- You get sky noise even though you're shooting below 400?
- You dont get useful 1600s+?
- Did you ever tried autoiso only to find its a slopy implementation?
- Weak AF under low light?
- Meter goes bananas in challenging situations?
Have you ever bumped into any of the situations above? Well congrats you are one of the "two (maybe three) people on the planet who have actually exceeded the capabilities of the equipment they already own" according to SiliconVoiD :
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meli said:SiliconVoid said:
From time to time i bump into this pearl of wisdom.
Since this is CR and not Instagram's "#look what i ate today!" lets see some examples of how difficult it really is to exceeded the capabilities of the 7d in question:
- Do you still get random OOFs when tracking even though you played with the settings and your technique is adequate?
- Have you ever hit buffer limit?
- Ever disappointed by WB under artificial lighting?
- You tried to lift shadows only to find the surprise underneath?
- You get sky noise even though you're shooting below 400?
- You dont get useful 1600s+?
- Did you ever tried autoiso only to find its a slopy implementation?
- Weak AF under low light?
- Meter goes bananas in challenging situations?
Have you ever bumped into any of the situations above? Well congrats you are one of the "two (maybe three) people on the planet who have actually exceeded the capabilities of the equipment they already own" according to SiliconVoiD :
Meli so totally agree with you. Elementary!
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the 7D's great. the 7d2 will no doubt be better. I could be better too. And so could lots of the photographs I see from 1DX's. And I'm pretty sure it's not camera error.
*replace 7D with 7D2 next year, and 7D2 with with 7D3 in 2016. If you are reading this in 2019 then for 1DX read 1DXI.
Ibid & ad infinitum.
*replace 7D with 7D2 next year, and 7D2 with with 7D3 in 2016. If you are reading this in 2019 then for 1DX read 1DXI.
Ibid & ad infinitum.
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