I wonder, just out of curiosity, if the 5Ds and the 5DIV were the same price, who'd buy the 5Ds ?
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No EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Replacements in 2017 [CR2]
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Sporgon said:
The 5D MkIV is what stopped me buying a 5DSr, I want that sensor IQ and the MP. I waited and waited for new sensor tech and now it is here I can't understand why anybody would buy a 6D, 5D MkIII, or a 5DS/r at this point.
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privatebydesign said:
Because they lack $3500 in their pocket.
Because they care less about on-chip ADC hotness than they do about detail.
Because they want an interchangeable focusing screen for manually focused lenses.
Because they don't shoot video.
Do I need to go on? (Not to sound mean, just saying that...) Not everyone is you. They may have different means, different needs, and different perspectives than you do, and that might lead them to buy a product other than the one you believe is best.
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ahsanford said:
Street price for a 5D MkIV is $3,099.99, street price for a 5DSr is $3,199.99, nobody needs $3,500 in their pocket.
Anybody who is in the market for a 5DSr is after the highest IQ available from the 135 format, trouble is anybody that has worked a 5D MkIV file knows it pisses all over the more expensive camera, so where is the best IQ currently? The 5D MkIV...
On chip ADC is the one thing that has made me upgrade. At this point you get the better camera for less money.
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privatebydesign said:
Sure. But being a one-issue voter and telling people what they should buy implies your one issue is their one issue. That's the definition of myopia! PBD, you are long time poster here, and I know you are better than that.
For example...
If I want to shoot a Zeiss 135 prime, I am not buying a 5D4. I am buying a camera that lets me focus with it through the viewfinder. I would buy a 6D or 1DX2 depending on my budget.
If I am shooting landscapes, product, or have a need to crop files in post because I got stuck doing field work with the lens I had on the camera at the time, I want maximum detail. I am not buying a 5D4. I would buy a 5DS R.
If I need a vlogging setup, I wouldn't buy a 5D4. I would buy an 80D or wait for the 6D2 so I could have a tilty-flippy touchscreen.
You get the idea. The 5D4 is a peach, but it's not definitively the best for all needs.
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I'm not being myopic, the question was why would anybody buy a 5DSr over a 5D MkIV, the only thing the 5DSr does 'better' is have more MP. My point was anybody that wants/needs 50MP from a 135 format can't not be interested in IQ, if you are interested in real world IQ then the 5D MkIV is in a different league and the fact that it has more toys is fun but for those interested in ultimate IQ is irrelevant.
Just like when the 6D came out, it has higher IQ than the 5D MkIII and the 1DX. Now can you tell me who would be interested in a 5DSr and not be interested primarily in IQ? Ergo there is no practical reason for anybody interested in a 5DSr buying one instead of a 5D MkIV.
So again, whatever metric you want to use, touch screen, AF, IQ, price etc etc, the 5D MkIV is the better camera.
Just like when the 6D came out, it has higher IQ than the 5D MkIII and the 1DX. Now can you tell me who would be interested in a 5DSr and not be interested primarily in IQ? Ergo there is no practical reason for anybody interested in a 5DSr buying one instead of a 5D MkIV.
So again, whatever metric you want to use, touch screen, AF, IQ, price etc etc, the 5D MkIV is the better camera.
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privatebydesign said:
...to you. I'm sure there are folks who saw the 5D4 release and are happily snapping away with the 5DS rigs with zero intention of downgrading to the 5D4.
To some, detail is king, and you are effectively blowing right past that point with "the only thing the 5DSr does 'better' is have more MP". Consider that might be the principal reason they bought a 5DS R!
I'm an all-arounder shooter with a 5D3 myself and I believe I'll be a lifelong 5D# shooter. But I'll be the first one to say that I am not every photographer and there is no single best rig for everyone.
With respect, I think we need to agree to disagree at this point.
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Don't be ridiculous, the feature set is the feature set, it isn't different 'for me'.
As I said, I believe most 5DSr owners bought their cameras for, or at the very least because they have a keen interest in, image quality. I'd guess that of the people that own both the 5D MkIV and 5DSr very few use the 5DSr close to as much as the MkIV, the MkIV bests the DSr in every way but pixel numbers but my use over the years has shown many times that better quality pixels punch above their weight with regards numbers.
The 5DSr to 5D MkIV is not "downgrading" in any measure for anybody but possibly half a dozen people who nail exposure every time, don't lift shadows at all, and genuinely output to print at 24"x36" often.
As I said, I believe most 5DSr owners bought their cameras for, or at the very least because they have a keen interest in, image quality. I'd guess that of the people that own both the 5D MkIV and 5DSr very few use the 5DSr close to as much as the MkIV, the MkIV bests the DSr in every way but pixel numbers but my use over the years has shown many times that better quality pixels punch above their weight with regards numbers.
The 5DSr to 5D MkIV is not "downgrading" in any measure for anybody but possibly half a dozen people who nail exposure every time, don't lift shadows at all, and genuinely output to print at 24"x36" often.
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I hope I did not make a mistake to order a 5DsR. I intend to replace my 7DII with it for bird shooting (mostly to be able to aim the flying birds with my 500mm and for some IQ increase). I have the 5DIV but I use it for low light mostly.
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Sporgon said:
Fortunate enough to be able to have both, and take advantage of each's strengths in the right photographic situation.
The big thing I love about the 5DSR, besides high resolution, is its lack of AA filtering. The difference isn't always significant, but in situations where I crave detail (and they are plentiful), I admit the use of a filtered camera (like the 5D4) can be a minor frustration when a lot of time is needed in PP to sharpen to my liking - and that doing so adds unwanted artifacts and noise. With the R and a good lens, all I need to do is keep the camera still and nail AF and it's all there.
I just wish the R had better high ISO performance at 6400+, any event where low light is even a possibility means automatic selection of the 5D4, everything else aside.
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privatebydesign said:
Just going to address this from my perspective and experience. I don't speak for everyone who has both cameras, just myself.
Yes, there is disproportionate use in favor of the 5D4 on my part. It comes down to 3 reasons: speed, high ISO performance, and file size/processing ability. Many events I like to shoot are indoors and/or have very low lighting and from experience, the R just does not do well particularly in the latter type of environment. Also, often times action happens quickly and I need a camera that's ready for the shot and that I don't have to wait on. The 5D4 wins here as well. File size - less of an issue now than it used to be (due to lower storage costs), but when hundreds (or sometimes even 1000+!) of shots need to be processed, the time/resource difference can be considerable.
Where the R shines is when I want to print large and want that detail. While the 5D4 can still help produce a solid 13x19 print, I was blown away when I printed my first 5DSR shot in that size and even under scrutiny, could still see every little detail crystal-clear. Plus, if I want/need to blow it up to 17 or 24 inches, I can do so easily. Also, the lack of AA filter really is nice and the difference is noticeable particularly in the editing process. Often times, little to no sharpening needed. I have to say the moire threat seems to be somewhat overblown in my honest opinion- I've only encountered it once and it was only a tiny amount that I could live with. I feel that if it shows up on the unfiltered camera, it'll show up on the filtered ones too (although it'll be better controlled and less severe).
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tron said:
I have both the 5DSR and 5DIV. I absolutely love the 5DSR for bird photography for the extra reach and clarity from absence of AA filter. You have not made a mistake, in terms of IQ and AF, it's a real improvement from the 7DII.
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privatebydesign said:
This would be my take on it. I didn't realise that in the States the 5DIV is cheaper. Here in the UK the 5Ds is about £1000 cheaper than the 5DIV after the cash back offer has been taken into account. I wouldn't be holding my breath for a 5Ds replacement anytime soon.
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Alan it was mainly your sayings about IQ that made me get it - I trust your experience - and the fact that I will be able to target flying birds with my 500mm easier. Now i try to pursuade the seller to send it faster than usual for the camera to arrive before my vacation starts...AlanF said:
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Whenever I use my 5DSR for BIF the verses from Railroad Bill go through my head:
I've got a thirty-eight special on a forty-five frame,
How in the world can I miss him when I got dead aim,
I'm going to ride old Railroad Bill.
Buy me a pistol just as long as my arm,
Kill everybody ever done me harm,
I'm going to ride old Railroad Bill.
Except it goes:
I've got a 7D reach on a full frame,
How in the world can I miss that bird when I got dead aim,
I'm going to ride old Kestrel Bill.
Buy me a lens just as long as my arm,
Shoot every bird on the local farm,
I'm going to ride old Kestrel Bill.
I've got a thirty-eight special on a forty-five frame,
How in the world can I miss him when I got dead aim,
I'm going to ride old Railroad Bill.
Buy me a pistol just as long as my arm,
Kill everybody ever done me harm,
I'm going to ride old Railroad Bill.
Except it goes:
I've got a 7D reach on a full frame,
How in the world can I miss that bird when I got dead aim,
I'm going to ride old Kestrel Bill.
Buy me a lens just as long as my arm,
Shoot every bird on the local farm,
I'm going to ride old Kestrel Bill.
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tr573 said:
Yes there are, and how many of them never lift the shadows slider one notch AND print over 24" x 36" regularly?
I know of two, they both own and use 5DSr's and have since they came out, one now uses a 5D MkIV and the other uses pretty much everything but mostly medium format digital.
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