Teasers are over: new retro Nikon FF Body finally outed
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sanj said:
I was only born when the last great film cameras were in the last leg of their journey. So I never had the chance to use them, and I am not willing to buy a 30 year old film camera and some films to enjoy those pleasures. So if Canon comes up with something like this and I have the money I will jump onto it like crazy. The silver/black leather version is the one that catches my imagination the most. That is just gorgeous.
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Looks kinda "retro-ish". But the back is still the standard Nikon DSLR explosion of buttons. Now add a ton more cool old-skool dials on top... Yeah, total simplicity in design.
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Hmmmm, well - it's certainly expensive, and a few modern Nikonisms just to assure us the correction on the logo doesn't go that deep. Compatible with all older manual lenses; good. No interchangeable screen ? Bad. I mean come on, even the 6D has interchangeable screens and it's not specifically aimed at manual lenses.
The lack of this is because it requires mechanical components and that equals high manufacturing costs. So no mechanical mirror lock up etc. But given the price of this camera it should have had them. 6D with Zeiss is a better bet than DF with non Ai.
The lack of this is because it requires mechanical components and that equals high manufacturing costs. So no mechanical mirror lock up etc. But given the price of this camera it should have had them. 6D with Zeiss is a better bet than DF with non Ai.
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The specs are reasonably impressive.
Excellent number of shots from a small battery.
I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup.
And it's LIGHT! This gets a bit closer to the feel of an old film body just for the reduced weight.
The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho, I typically do not need great high ISO performance.
I think this is going to be a polarizing product, love it or hate it. I think there'll be enough of the former to make it a worthwhile product.
Canon might even copy it.
Excellent number of shots from a small battery.
I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup.
And it's LIGHT! This gets a bit closer to the feel of an old film body just for the reduced weight.
The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho, I typically do not need great high ISO performance.
I think this is going to be a polarizing product, love it or hate it. I think there'll be enough of the former to make it a worthwhile product.
Canon might even copy it.
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I think it's a travesty, for a few reasons:
The bottom half is pure DSLR. Electronic stop down (and so horrifically designed)
AF mode seitches etc
AF at all.
I would have liked a 'thumbs up' style rest where the winder would have been.
The crappy G kit lens WITH NO APERTURE RING
It's the anithesis of the FM's, which were always solid and simple. Restrained. No more than you needed.
I still hanker after an FM2 or 3, with 50mm ais 1.4.
It's very cynical. They are trying to surf the crest of Fuji's wave, except that Fuji did some genuinely interesting things with their cameras. This manages to be turgid and insipid all at once.
The bottom half is pure DSLR. Electronic stop down (and so horrifically designed)
AF mode seitches etc
AF at all.
I would have liked a 'thumbs up' style rest where the winder would have been.
The crappy G kit lens WITH NO APERTURE RING
It's the anithesis of the FM's, which were always solid and simple. Restrained. No more than you needed.
I still hanker after an FM2 or 3, with 50mm ais 1.4.
It's very cynical. They are trying to surf the crest of Fuji's wave, except that Fuji did some genuinely interesting things with their cameras. This manages to be turgid and insipid all at once.
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Aglet said:The specs are reasonably impressive.
Excellent number of shots from a small battery.
I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup.
And it's LIGHT! This gets a bit closer to the feel of an old film body just for the reduced weight.
The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho, I typically do not need great high ISO performance.
I think this is going to be a polarizing product, love it or hate it. I think there'll be enough of the former to make it a worthwhile product.
Canon might even copy it.
Interesting that you would change your 36mp D800 for a 16mp DF. More living proof that Nikon really missed the mark with a 36mp sensor.
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ahsanford said:
initially I hated it but as I see it more and more , I think I am getting used to it.
I cannot believe I say this but I kind of like it.
just wish it had real video mode.
many many saying it's overpriced but I do not think so.
it is a real new design with very very high build quality standard , so it should cost a lot.
I bet if it had Geramn brand tag , no one would complain it.
I think it is a bit strange that if it had been a Leica , no one would have complained about the super high price , but if it had been a Nikon or even a Hassel Blad, there would have been so many people complaining their pricing.
do not get me wrong, I have a M9 and I love it in some way, but I am the first one to admit I got it for some kind of fashion or status item to show off , when I shoot serious I use my 6D or D800E.
imo, those retro designed cameras even Leica get old dated very fast in digital era, and after that it would be quite embarrassing to carry them, who wants to shoot the M8 these days?
so for me there is no way to pay more than 3 k for a DIGITAL camera.
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Sporgon said:Aglet said:The specs are reasonably impressive.
Excellent number of shots from a small battery.
I wish my D800s had this kind of control setup.
And it's LIGHT! This gets a bit closer to the feel of an old film body just for the reduced weight.
The Df will Dfinitely have to seduce me with the ergonomics and overall feel to make me trade a D800 for it tho, I typically do not need great high ISO performance.
I think this is going to be a polarizing product, love it or hate it. I think there'll be enough of the former to make it a worthwhile product.
Canon might even copy it.
Interesting that you would change your 36mp D800 for a 16mp DF. More living proof that Nikon really missed the mark with a 36mp sensor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has talked about resolution. More living proof, that the Nikon D800 is so successful it makes plenty of the Canon users frustrated...
By the way, this DF looks incredibly lovely. The only drawback is the price tag...
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Dpreview says it like it is.
Ergonomics are not good. It´s just for the look.
There are a lot of nikon fanboys in disguise here in this froum.
First all the trashing of the 1D X and 5D MK3 because it has "only 18 (22) MP... now they are very happy with 16 MP. :
As long as it´s nikon it´ fine... as it seems.
Ergonomics are not good. It´s just for the look.
There are a lot of nikon fanboys in disguise here in this froum.
First all the trashing of the 1D X and 5D MK3 because it has "only 18 (22) MP... now they are very happy with 16 MP. :
As long as it´s nikon it´ fine... as it seems.
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It's a silly camera and I would not buy one, even if I shot Nikon.
It's not for me, and Nikon may sell a ton of these to people who like it. Who am I to judge these silly hipsters.
It's not for me, and Nikon may sell a ton of these to people who like it. Who am I to judge these silly hipsters.
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seekthedragon said:
The D800 is so successful that the 5DIII is outselling it by a wide margin, and resolution is so important that Nikon builds on the 'success' of their 36 MP camera by bringing out a retrocam with a paltry 16 MP. None of that frustrates me in the least... :
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The more I see of this camera, the less I like it: I find it very ugly -too big and lumpy and wanting in its deign philosophy.
Even Nikon doesn't seem to be sure about returning to an interface based upon dedicated marked dials, so they provide both. Pure photography? My arse! This is pure marketing gimmickry that has actually complicated the control interface through duplication.
This is a camera that claims to address the issue of over-complication in modern DSLRs, but actually does nothing of the sort, other than removing video. So video over-complicates a modern DSLR, but all the in-camera retouching options, a 39 point AF system with umpteen different tracking modes, banks of custom setting, etc. That's all fine it seems!
If you really want "Pure Photography", you need to make pure design decisions: you must decide what the camera can do and what it cannot. The DF attempts to be simple and yet lose none of the sophisticated features of a modern autofocus digital SLR camera; it fails because our expectations of what this constitutes a modern DSLR, lead to a design that is inherently complicated.
Even Nikon doesn't seem to be sure about returning to an interface based upon dedicated marked dials, so they provide both. Pure photography? My arse! This is pure marketing gimmickry that has actually complicated the control interface through duplication.
This is a camera that claims to address the issue of over-complication in modern DSLRs, but actually does nothing of the sort, other than removing video. So video over-complicates a modern DSLR, but all the in-camera retouching options, a 39 point AF system with umpteen different tracking modes, banks of custom setting, etc. That's all fine it seems!
If you really want "Pure Photography", you need to make pure design decisions: you must decide what the camera can do and what it cannot. The DF attempts to be simple and yet lose none of the sophisticated features of a modern autofocus digital SLR camera; it fails because our expectations of what this constitutes a modern DSLR, lead to a design that is inherently complicated.
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neuroanatomist said:seekthedragon said:
The D800 is so successful that the 5DIII is outselling it by a wide margin, and resolution is so important that Nikon builds on the 'success' of their 36 MP camera by bringing out a retrocam with a paltry 16 MP. None of that frustrates me in the least... :
I'm really astonished that you overlooked the point...
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