The Big Megapixel Body in 2013?
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Pierogo
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What I want most is image quality. I don't need video capability, so if that's adding a significant amount of money to the price of the camera, leave it out. If a price gap needs filling, I'd prefer to see Canon going between the 7D and the 5D3, like where the 5D2 is, assuming the 2 is going to be put out to pasture.
No video, just stills.
No video, just stills.
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Take a 1Dx spec camera and up the MP to say min 36 but probably 40 I wonder what that would give the top fps to be? and who knows maybe they've throttled the digic processors back a little knowing the road map. That would give them the reason for the high price as Nikon et al would not have a direct equivalent. If there's going to be one it won't be a 5D derivative would be my guess
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2013 is being optimistic. If there is one, it will be the 1DsMKIV and it will upwards of 7 thousand bucks if the prior one was any indication. As far as full frame goes, I think canon is done with the 5DmkIII and any increases in MP will have to wait 4 years for the MK4.
+1 . the OP's gap is pointless to fill. If canon has a gap to fill is the 2-3K gap
I disagree with CR's take that people will pay more. Many are locked in to the lens system for now. Rip them off constantly with more overpriced glass and bodies and things may turn from a small trickle of migrants to an exodus away from the brand.
it would require brand new lenses and very expensive to say the least. canon will never get into the medium format arena.
that's just silly. the audience for such camera is not those that care about crappy high ISO images done under crappy light with crappy dynamic range that is associated with high ISO values. the audience for this camera are light lovers. people that shoot in studio or landscape with buckets of beautiful light and not the inside of their closets with the lights off. I'd much rather see LOWER ISO capabilites. how about ISO25 for a change and 14+ stops of DR. The D800 already proved that downsampling big MP to 22MP more than matches what the 5DmkIII can do in low light, so who cares for more? If so, don't buy it. Stupid high ISO can be hand with the 1DX if that's your boat. I see no reason that every camera has to chase the ISO values as if that was the only priority.
http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#iso_performance
(click next at the bottom to see the D800 match the 5DmkIII at high ISO)
The religion of low light is honestly getting old. We need to move past that. this is after all PHOTOGRAPHY, not DARKography.
honestly who gives a crap what the fps are. if you're shooting in studio or landscape scenarios (the audience for a big mp body), 4-5 fps is more than enough.zim said:
Astro said:
+1 . the OP's gap is pointless to fill. If canon has a gap to fill is the 2-3K gap
I disagree with CR's take that people will pay more. Many are locked in to the lens system for now. Rip them off constantly with more overpriced glass and bodies and things may turn from a small trickle of migrants to an exodus away from the brand.Caps18 said:
it would require brand new lenses and very expensive to say the least. canon will never get into the medium format arena.
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that's just silly. the audience for such camera is not those that care about crappy high ISO images done under crappy light with crappy dynamic range that is associated with high ISO values. the audience for this camera are light lovers. people that shoot in studio or landscape with buckets of beautiful light and not the inside of their closets with the lights off. I'd much rather see LOWER ISO capabilites. how about ISO25 for a change and 14+ stops of DR. The D800 already proved that downsampling big MP to 22MP more than matches what the 5DmkIII can do in low light, so who cares for more? If so, don't buy it. Stupid high ISO can be hand with the 1DX if that's your boat. I see no reason that every camera has to chase the ISO values as if that was the only priority.
http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-review#iso_performance
(click next at the bottom to see the D800 match the 5DmkIII at high ISO)
The religion of low light is honestly getting old. We need to move past that. this is after all PHOTOGRAPHY, not DARKography.
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Does this mean all the people that switched to the D800 are gonna switch back in a year? Oh the ever evolving world of technology we live in. So much wasted money.
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psolberg said:
+1 I use my MK III as my ultrawide with a 14L and 16 - 35L and as a back up for my Pentax 645D. The maximum ISO for the 645D is 1600. It is the highest ISO for any current medium format camera. I shoot predominantly landscape and the Pentax is brilliant for that with it's 9 point AF which is also more than any other medium format camera. Hassie and the Leica S2 have a single point AF system.
On the Canon front, I'd like to see a slightly higher mp and I was disappointed that the mk III 'only' had 22.3. I think somewhere around 30mp and really nailing everything down would be the way to go, not to create a 40mp on a 35mm sensor to compound other issues further. As it is, I am enjoying using the mk III, and it is my main camera at the moment as my Pentax is in Japan being fixed after it had an argument with a paving slab. (it didn't lose it badly, just a few bruises).
The new higher mp camera for me needn't have anything above say 3200 ISO. I rarely use anything around this. But by maximum 3200, I mean completely clean 3200. In my vision it would be a landscaper's camera. The only thing I have used high ISO for are a few urban scenes and macro where a tripod would have been of no assistance.
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StORM48 said:What?!!!Canon Rumors said:
Jesus Christ!
The best way to inform Canon that we will pay them as much as they want, is bidding prices like this, as we did for 5d mk3 past years, which is why it costs so much now. Don't think that Canon staff don't follow forums. They do. Oh yes, they do!
$5000 for high-res body?! That would be insane! $3500 for mk3 are already excessive compared to what d800 offers. Anything above that would be just idiotic for non-1D(s) body.
I suppose any type of product manufacturer would pay some attention to what their consumers write on forums since forums are a good source for market research.
I would think that a high megapixel body priced around the $5000 price point would mean that it would be a high megapixel body that would have massive advantages over Nikon's D800. I'd expect that it would be a full size body probably dubbed "1~something". That would justify the price point. It's entirely possible for it to be a compact body but thinking about $5000... it would make more sense to be an addition to Canon's flagship line.
Lastly, I don't think $3500 was excessive in comparison to Nikon's D800. Granted the 5D Mark III and Nikon D800 are directed towards completely different markets. I don't get why everyone is still trying to justify one camera over the other... For me, coming from a 5D Mark II; I am very pleased with the improvements in the Mark III and can understand why there was a price jump. I'm not directing this at you StORM48, but as far as I know, everyone who bought a Mark III, including myself feels that it was worth it. In other words I wouldn't trade the performance of the Mark III for the megapixels of a D800 just to save $500. So if Canon is using the 1Dx and 5D Mark III as their bench mark for performance combined with image quality, then I can totally understand how a possible high megapixel body might cost $5000. I might not want to buy it for $5000 since I don't need more than what is currently available from Canon... but I would be able to rationalize the increase in price.
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StORM48 said:What?!!!Canon Rumors said:
Jesus Christ!
The best way to inform Canon that we will pay them as much as they want, is bidding prices like this, as we did for 5d mk3 past years, which is why it costs so much now. Don't think that Canon staff don't follow forums. They do. Oh yes, they do!
$5000 for high-res body?! That would be insane! $3500 for mk3 are already excessive compared to what d800 offers. Anything above that would be just idiotic for non-1D(s) body.
But you must understand! Canon has many expenses. Do you know how much it costs to forget to seal the top LCD so as to allow the light to reach the metering sensor in a way that it may or it may not affect the metering so as to create a controversy? (see other threads) ;D
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DarkKnightNine
The best camera is the one that's with you.
I think it's inaccurate to say people are willing to pay a lot of money for a high end DSLR. I think most people were disgusted by the price of the 5D Mark III but needed something better than the AF in the 5D Mark II so sadly we bent over and took it :'( . Willing had nothing to do with it.
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DarkKnightNine said:
Well if you did buy it, then wouldn't that be considered "willing" to spend the money on it? Nobody was forcing you right? I can see that you may have felt cornered in order to keep up with the market. But it was ultimately each person's decision right?
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Canon had few years to develop an improved sensor for 5d3. It is almost the same as 5d2 in major and important aspects, no big step forward in this regard. If canon is not able to develop a 22mp sensor with ie. better DR, personally I dont think they are able to catch a good quality at 40 mp. It seems there is a strong limitation for canon engineers otherwise they would deliver something really better at 22 mp. If it is possible to create a sensor with 36mp with a DR over 14ev it should be possible for 22 mp as well, isn't it?
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- with an option to write alternate shots to alternate cards when shooting in burst (higher buffer/frame rate?), Slightly simpler AF?, higher DR, Flip down AA filter (!) - Status
