The Canon EOS R3 will be 24mp, confirmed by EXIF data

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It is a mystery to me where the currently mythical R1 will land. I don't see it going below the R3, but I also don't see it setting a resolution record. It seems like 30-50 mp might be the sweet spot.
It's a mystery to everybody outside Canon (and a small number of people even there). But here's a prediction (read: wild guess):

Within a year or a bit more, Canon will announce (and hopefully release) two high-end bodies:

* R1 with 45 megapixels (just enough for 8K, no more) and other specs matching or exceeding the R3.

* A 90 megapixel body, either R5s or R3s depending on which body type they see better for it; probably the latter, as it would make heat management easier.

Another prediction (much safer): the longest canonrumors discussion thread about both of those will exceed that of the R3. :)
 

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It's a mystery to everybody outside Canon (and a small number of people even there). But here's a prediction (read: wild guess):

Within a year or a bit more, Canon will announce (and hopefully release) two high-end bodies:

* R1 with 45 megapixels (just enough for 8K, no more) and other specs matching or exceeding the R3.

* A 90 megapixel body, either R5s or R3s depending on which body type they see better for it; probably the latter, as it would make heat management easier.

Another prediction (much safer): the longest canonrumors discussion thread about both of those will exceed that of the R3. :)
All three 1Ds models came out basically a year after their 1D counterparts, when the 1Ds launched in 2002 it was $7,999, close to $12,000 in todays money.

I expect the R1 to have a lot the R3 doesn't, and it wouldn't surprise me if it didn't have a couple of things the R3 has. I wouldn't be surprised if an R1 didn't have a flip screen or the eye controlled focus for instance.

What I do expect it to have are quad pixel AF along with a semi practical way of doing pixel shift for those that love specs or shoot still life/product in a studio on a Foba (but the second group all shoot medium format already). If it had an 8k optimized 45mp resolution sensor it could claim 180mp with pixel shift, just like Hasselblad do. But wouldn't be surprised to see it beat the 5Ds/r for resolution and hit 55 or 60mp natively, this would be a 'first' of over 200mp in a pixel shift. I can hear the lens not up to the resolution threads already.....

The other biggie, which is a $2,000 option on the Cinema cameras, is a global shutter.

If the R3 comes in at $5,500 (nicely between the R5 and 1DX III) that puts the R1 over $7,500 but it would, potentially, out spec the Z9 and A1 effortlessly.
 

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Good question. A quick internet search seems (I could be wrong) to show that he is not an Explorer of Light, but that he shoots for Team USA and has a sponsorship agreement with Canon. Looks like Getty Images also picks up his photos. Perhaps he was tasked by Canon to blog about his Olympic experience and promote the R3. I think it is highly unlikely that he would have violated any non-disclosure agreement and that Canon either knew or didn't care that people would be able to discern the resolution from his photos. I would expect that many of his photos will be showing up in promotional materials when Canon announces the R3.

As to why other photographers EXIF data is not showing up, I have no idea. Maybe everyone else was using 1Dx IIIs? :)
I can not believe that Jeff was the only shooter at the Olympics using the R3. AND... if we are to believe that the R3 will be released in September... then many of the EOL's had to have the camera in their hands for at least two to three weeks before the games in order to prepare to shoot with it. I just think all of the "resolution hoopla", which is generated from a single source, smells fishy. Of course Canon's marketing is mute on the subject and will not support or refute claims about Jeff's EXIF data prior to the proposed September announcement. Lastly, regarding other shooters using their 1Dx lll's - I would bet that many kept their 1Dx's close by... in their bags.
 
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I can not believe that Jeff was the only shooter at the Olympics using the R3. AND... if we are to believe that the R3 will be released in September... then many of the EOL's had to have the camera in their hands for at least two to three weeks before the games in order to prepare to shoot with it. I just think all of the "resolution hoopla", which is generated from a single source, smells fishy. Of course Canon's marketing is mute on the subject and will not support or refute claims about Jeff's EXIF data prior to the proposed September announcement. Lastly, regarding other shooters using their 1Dx lll's - I would bet that many kept their 1Dx's close by... in their bags.
All good questions. I am not computer literate enough to know if EXIF data is readily available from any random photo on the internet and how much work is involved in extracting that data from published photos. On the other hand, it would seem likely that just through random conversations with people shooting the Olympics, that there would be more confirmation of the resolution. There were tons of R3s available from the photos, so presumable lots and lots of photographers tried them out and know what the resolution of the pictures they took were. Maybe no one has bothered to ask anyone else? Maybe as a condition of borrowing an R3 you agreed not to talk to anyone about it. I don't know. I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories though, so I'm inclined to think that what has been leaked is accurate. In a few weeks, everyone will know.
 

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So of course, Canon must make a camera for those sub-niches. They simply must. A professional-type body. The R5 need not apply.
Canon will make a professional type body 45-50MP camera and its likely (but unconfirmed) to be the R1. That category is not that niche. Sony and Nikon are not treating it a sub niche group. The birder is often the landscape and portrait photographer too. They are Flagship models showing the best they can do and there is a good market for that and it helps sell their other models. The 1 series has always been important to Canon.
 

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All good questions. I am not computer literate enough to know if EXIF data is readily available from any random photo on the internet and how much work is involved in extracting that data from published photos. On the other hand, it would seem likely that just through random conversations with people shooting the Olympics, that there would be more confirmation of the resolution. There were tons of R3s available from the photos, so presumable lots and lots of photographers tried them out and know what the resolution of the pictures they took were. Maybe no one has bothered to ask anyone else? Maybe as a condition of borrowing an R3 you agreed not to talk to anyone about it. I don't know. I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories though, so I'm inclined to think that what has been leaked is accurate. In a few weeks, everyone will know.
I promise to make this my last reply... and like you I too am not a believer in conspiracy theories... yet I am also inclined to disregard "single source" statements especially when given the volume of attention Jeff's image has garnered. And as you say, " In a few weeks, everyone will know"
 

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All good questions. I am not computer literate enough to know if EXIF data is readily available from any random photo on the internet and how much work is involved in extracting that data from published photos. On the other hand, it would seem likely that just through random conversations with people shooting the Olympics, that there would be more confirmation of the resolution. There were tons of R3s available from the photos, so presumable lots and lots of photographers tried them out and know what the resolution of the pictures they took were. Maybe no one has bothered to ask anyone else? Maybe as a condition of borrowing an R3 you agreed not to talk to anyone about it. I don't know. I'm not a believer in conspiracy theories though, so I'm inclined to think that what has been leaked is accurate. In a few weeks, everyone will know.
Extracting exif data from a downloaded photo is very easy, if it hasn't been scrubbed away. Some photos may, however, be published in such a way that downloading will remove the exif data, and it appears to be the case with the images in question: only some bug in the process allows a Chrome plugin see it anyway. Unfortunately it only shows a limited subset of exif data, and it's not impossible that the data it shows is inaccurate or incorrect in some cases. So there's still some room for speculation that it's not 24Mp after all. Not exactly likely IMHO, but likelier than Qanything things some people believe in so... :cool:
 

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Looks like Glenn and Jan aren't too enticed by 24MP for birds, but awaiting full specs to be released, just like the rest of us! I'd love to see them get R3s to test out, as their content is a lot more relevant to me than Peter McKinnon's as someone interested in nature and wildlife photography.

This was probably posted already, but if it was, I missed it, and others may have too.
 

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How many sports shooters shot RAW?

Not many I'd guess.

So if almost everyone is shooting JPEGs, the buffer at maximum burst speed would be limitless, even with a 45MP sensor.

Canon's decision to limit the sensor to 24MP (if true) can only be a product differentiation tactic designed to make people crave for the R1.

I can see no major reason why Canon couldn't have fitted a 45MP sensor, and allowed users to select a lower resolution for the occasions when they shoot RAW and need a massive buffer. It would have made the R3 a more versatile camera. If it truly is limited to a maximum of 24MP, it will be far less appealing to bird and animal photographers who need to crop.
 

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Canon's decision to limit the sensor to 24MP (if true) can only be a product differentiation tactic designed to make people crave for the R1.

I can see no major reason why Canon couldn't have fitted a 45MP sensor, and allowed users to select a lower resolution for the occasions when they shoot RAW and need a massive buffer. It would have made the R3 a more versatile camera. If it truly is limited to a maximum of 24MP, it will be far less appealing to bird and animal photographers who need to crop.
By your logic, there’s no reason Canon couldn’t have fitted a 50 MP sensor (the 5Ds/R launched just before the 1D X II) into the 1D X III.

When they limited the 1D X III to 20 MP, that must only have been done as a product differentiation tactic to make people crave the _________. (Since this is your logic, you should have no trouble filling in that blank for us.)
 

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Canon sells plenty 1DX mkiii’s at $6499 with 20mp. Why? In sports you don’t gain much from pushing in and a higher quality sensor with less pixels is demanded.

Do they, though?

Unofficial reports have been that the 1D X III sold far fewer copies than the 1D Mark II did in the year following each's respective introduction, and by many accounts the 1D X Mark II also had lower sales numbers than the 1D X.

As most high profile sports shooters have transitioned from staff positions with company provided equipment to freelancers being paid less to provide their own equipment, the replacement cycle among pro sports shooters has slowed decidedly. Even the staffers don't always get the most up-to-date gear. My friend who is the entire photography staff at the Tuscaloosa News (a Gannett owned publication), where his main sports activity is covering University of Alabama sports, particularly Alabama football not only for the local paper but also for all other Gannett publications, is still shooting with a 1D X (2012) and an EF 400mm f/2.8 IS the T-town News bought shortly after it was introduced in 1999.
 

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There's lens serial number. If the lens was provided by Canon or registered with Canon...

However there's another interesting detail - it looks like the R3 may have a GPS.

Every Canon body also puts the body serial number in the maker notes section of the EXIF. Adobe products just ignore most of the maker note section, and strip it when one uses the Adobe DNG convertor or exports an image from any Adobe product.
 

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The EOS-1D X Mark II has two card slots, one each for CF and for CFast 2.0.

Most digital 1-Series bodies that have/had two card slots had dissimilar card slots.

Only the 1D X Mark III (CFExpress) and the 1D X (CF) had two matching card slots.

The 1D Mark II, 1D Mark III, 1D Mark IV, 1Ds Mark II, and 1Ds Mark III all had one faster CF card slot and one slower SD card slot.

The 1D and 1Ds only had single CF card slots.
 

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Most digital 1-Series bodies that have/had two card slots had dissimilar card slots.

Only the 1D X Mark III (CFExpress) and the 1D X (CF) had two matching card slots.

The 1D Mark II, 1D Mark III, 1D Mark IV, 1Ds Mark II, and 1Ds Mark III all had one faster CF card slot and one slower SD card slot.

The 1D and 1Ds only had single CF card slots.
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Still more mpix than my current EOS 3 body

That depends upon what film you've got loaded. Very fine grain low ISO film still has more information per unit area than a 24MP FF sensor does. But you need a drum scanner to get that detail to a digital format.
 

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what a pity for birders. I´ll stay with my R5...

But what is following? R1 with 20MPix, as professionals do not need more?
I hope for an high MPix R5 or R3 for birders.

I've been saying for a while that most folks got it backwards.

The R3 is the lower resolution sports camera ala the original 1D series.
The R1 will be the higher resolution studio/landscape camera ala the original 1Ds series.
 
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