The day of the anti-climatic announcement
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MichaelHodges said:
Sure. However, it's one thing to do some research on a frivolous innovation. It's another to try and make it a profitable product. How many people walk around (or even want to walk around) with a giant camera lens and sensor tacked onto the back of their smartphone...when their smartphone already has a camera? ;P
It's an interesting innovation. I'm betting there isn't really all that much of a market for it. Nothing even remotely compared to the DSLR market.
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Its beginning to look like Canon will have more than one announcement. They might be on different days.
They usually do not announce point and shoot cameras along with high end DSLR's.
If the 7D MK II were coming tomorrow, we should have information by now. The only reason I can think of for a lack of firm information at this point is that Canon has not yet sent promotional information to their printers, preferring a early announcement and leaving time for printing to be done on a expedited basis before Photokina. Canon is just paranoid enough about security that it might be true.
They usually do not announce point and shoot cameras along with high end DSLR's.
If the 7D MK II were coming tomorrow, we should have information by now. The only reason I can think of for a lack of firm information at this point is that Canon has not yet sent promotional information to their printers, preferring a early announcement and leaving time for printing to be done on a expedited basis before Photokina. Canon is just paranoid enough about security that it might be true.
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jrista said:
The same number of people who are keeping the DSLR market alive today. Beyond the majority of DSLR sales are people wanting something better than the camera on their phone, going strait to entry level DSLR. The Camera market is tiny compared to years before because most people have a perfect camera on their phone today and no need to buy or carry anything extra. The only saving grace is the bridge and entry level DSLR markets, but those buyers are by far the majority coming from smartphones.
What SONY has done is give that smartphone user wanting a DSLR something no one else has, A true DSLR sensor on their smart phone they already love! SONY knows where they're selling and where their is growth, the QX series have been strong, most of the sales on the lower end Qx10 though. That Group is why Canon is selling 5 entry level bodies and that group is also what is paying Canons bills right now, the same group you ask...
ow many people walk around (or even want to walk around) with a giant camera lens and sensor tacked onto the back of their smartphone...when their smartphone already has a camera?
Don't ever forget the lower end of the market, they're the profit of the company and they're the future of the company. Forget them today then you can forget about your company tomorrow. SONY has been biting hard to get the lower end in for a long time, and their size and what they can do can eat up Nikon and Canon together if they get enough lower end entry level buyers in. Remember Canon and Nikon are optics companies not technology giants, their strength is in the glass today. Canon sells at least 20 t5's to every one 6D, probably sells 10 6D's to every one 5D. That is where their money and future is and what pays for new research for new 1d series stuff. Lots of first time DSLR, coming from smart phone buyers are buying the 6D btw.
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RickWagoner said:
I have never seen one of these things in the wild, but I have seen plenty of real Sony cameras. So I think your opinion of how popular these clip on lenses are is misplaced.
No doubt they did sell a bunch, but I suspect that people quickly realized it was just a gimmick, so they don't actually use them much.
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Sabaki said:
You joke, but if Canon started building radio receives into the bodies to accommodate future RT flashes and added a small radio remote like the RC-6 that would be pretty awesome.
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The NDA is RUMOURED to expire September 5....racebit said:
Everything is speculation. There is no solid and believable information until Canon makes an announcement. You can bet that Canon will make several announcements during Photokina, so if you don't hear something on the first announcement, it does not mean that it isn't going to happen.
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the fact of the matter is, a 7DII with an improved AF, higher FPS and a sensor similar to the 70D is a disappointment.
not because the specs are so terrible or it's not a significant upgrade but because it took so long to be announced. This camera could have been announced a year or two ago and wouldn't have been shocking.
At this point, people perceive Canon's sensor performance as stagnating. It was hoped that the 7DII would be the camera to change this. With a sensor similar to previous models it reinforces the notion that Canon has not been able to significantly improve upon sensor performance. This is Canon's own fault for releasing so many 18mp sensor cameras and then the rather uninspiring 70D.
Back to my original point, all of these missteps would be less annoying if the 7DII had been announced a year or two ago. But by slowly drawing it out and building hype and excitement they have set themselves up for disappointment from people who already own similar products from the past and want something newer feeling.
not because the specs are so terrible or it's not a significant upgrade but because it took so long to be announced. This camera could have been announced a year or two ago and wouldn't have been shocking.
At this point, people perceive Canon's sensor performance as stagnating. It was hoped that the 7DII would be the camera to change this. With a sensor similar to previous models it reinforces the notion that Canon has not been able to significantly improve upon sensor performance. This is Canon's own fault for releasing so many 18mp sensor cameras and then the rather uninspiring 70D.
Back to my original point, all of these missteps would be less annoying if the 7DII had been announced a year or two ago. But by slowly drawing it out and building hype and excitement they have set themselves up for disappointment from people who already own similar products from the past and want something newer feeling.
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EchoLocation said:
Be careful. Saying things like that on these forums is likely to brine the Ire of the Canonites down upon you. ;P
(I personally don't disagree...just giving you fair warning for what's likely to come next.)
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jrista said:
Ire? No. But at this point I would like to see a new forum rule. Before complaining about a Canon sensor vs. any other sensor on the market, one must post RAW files in accordance with the following:
* Scene must be real world and not a contrived test scene.
* Both cameras must be shot at the same time under the same lighting conditions.
* Exposure must be optimal and correct for each sensor (which means it may or may not be the same for each sensor).
* Any converted examples (JPEGs) for forum display must include at least one pair where standard RAW converter settings are applied to each, and this pair must clearly illustrate the issue being complained about.
* The RAW files with full EXIF must be provided for download so that others may offer corrections and advice.
* Failure to comply results in either a locked thread with the reason given (i.e. "This is thread is locked because the author underexposed a black cat in a coal mine and then pushed the exposure 5+ stops in ACR with no NR"), or a deleted thread with a warning to the offender. Repeated attempts? Ban.
This would instantly kill 99% of the trolling, fantasy, and worthless chatter on the subject. But someone with legitimate testing and insight could start an interesting conversation grounded in reality.
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dtaylor said:
Would you (or others you believe would ascribe to this philosophy) also be willing to supply said raw files from your new 7D2, 5D4, or whatever comes along, shot as required with a lens cap on, in a totally darkened environment so that others could examine them to measure read noise and other sensor-system performance information that can be found that way?
.. so it could be compared to previous generations to quantify any performance changes in certain areas.
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