The day of the anti-climatic announcement
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raptor3x said:
NDAs supposedly expire on Sept 5. Can't wait to find out what the actual specs are, though I doubt we will have any idea regarding sensor performance for a couple weeks after the announcement (at least). We need the standard suit of test scenes from various reviewers for that.
I would like to see an Exmor like sensor just to put an end to those threads
But I'm very curious to see what the price is going to be. If it's in the stratosphere I'm not going to be interested in replacing my current 7D for sports. If it's priced similar to the original upon its release, then 65 point AF / 10 fps...if those are the specs...could certainly tempt me.
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raptor3x said:
Announcements are made about 1-2 weeks before the week a event opens, Canon wants a day when other major camera makers are not announcing. I suspect that someone coordinates dates. Friday is not a common date for announcements, but other announcements have been made on Friday.
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I just want it over...seriously sick of hearing all the 7D fan boys.
Either way i am waiting on my purchase for fall, 70D will go on sale and the 7Dii will have reviews out by then.
Either way i am waiting on my purchase for fall, 70D will go on sale and the 7Dii will have reviews out by then.
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Tugela said:NancyP said:
No, he just lacks a sense of humour.
After years of hype and expectation, an earth shattering game changer was expected, but reality is probably going to be somewhat different
A white 7D?
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Tugela said:After years of hype and expectation, an earth shattering game changer was expected, but reality is probably going to be somewhat different
Expected by whom? Expected based on what facts? I expect a 7DII with a couple more MP, DPAF, substantially better better AF. All of that is completely consistent with Maeda's statements (e.g. a semi-pro APS-C camera that has evolved into new territory). If you want to treat rumor and misinterpretation (lots of people think Maeda said 'revolutionary, but he didn't) as fact, you have only yourself to blame if you're disappointed.
Tugela said:No, he just lacks a sense of humour
Not true. I laugh at troll posts like yours, dilbert's, et al., quite often.
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Mitch.Conner said:Tugela said:NancyP said:
No, he just lacks a sense of humour
After years of hype and expectation, an earth shattering game changer was expected, but reality is probably going to be somewhat different
A white 7D?
No, camo, for all the wildlife photographers who are apparently the only people who will buy one
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As for pricing, there is no reason they have to increase. Look at flat panel TV's. every year or two for the last 20 years the TV's have gotten better and better at the same time that they were also holding the same price or even sometimes getting cheaper. Same thing with computers, laptops, Dvd/Blueray players, phones and other electronic things.
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[quote author=CanonWatch]DKW: As for the readers of DigiKame Watch, there are many who are waiting for the EOS 7D’s sucessor. Up through the release of last year’s major firmware update, there were many who felt that a new model with even better specs would be released shortly…
MM: Yes, they would be correct. For us, it’s about looking at what the camera has the potential to be and then adding that to what it can currently do. I do think the current model is still very attractive to buyers. And while we are, of course, developing its successor, it’ll be one that incorporates a certain number of innovative technologies. We will not be putting out a product with merely better specs, but one that has evolved into new territory. But then again, we’re not talking about something a long time from now either.[/quote]
http://www.canonwatch.com/interview-with-canons-tian-rong-makoto-7d-ii-not-a-story-of-the-day-so-far/
Maeda said the 7D successor would incorporate a certain number of innovative technologies. He said they would not be putting out a product "with merely better specs", but instead "one that has evolved into new territory."
Guess it depends on how you interpret that whether the product will be anticlimactic or not. It could be considered that 65pt AF, 20.2mp sensor, and DPAF is "incorporating a number of innovative technologies." It could also be considered that those new technologies are "merely better specs."
What is the definition of a product that has "evolved into new territory?" DPAF isn't new, and neither is 20.2mp. A 65pt AF might be new, although it does sound a lot like the 61pt AF system...it would be "evolution" rather than "revolution." Overall, none of the rumored improvements really seem to take the 7D II into a "new area" per-se...but, it's still all just rumors.
Whole thing is still exceptionally vague.
MM: Yes, they would be correct. For us, it’s about looking at what the camera has the potential to be and then adding that to what it can currently do. I do think the current model is still very attractive to buyers. And while we are, of course, developing its successor, it’ll be one that incorporates a certain number of innovative technologies. We will not be putting out a product with merely better specs, but one that has evolved into new territory. But then again, we’re not talking about something a long time from now either.[/quote]
http://www.canonwatch.com/interview-with-canons-tian-rong-makoto-7d-ii-not-a-story-of-the-day-so-far/
Maeda said the 7D successor would incorporate a certain number of innovative technologies. He said they would not be putting out a product "with merely better specs", but instead "one that has evolved into new territory."
Guess it depends on how you interpret that whether the product will be anticlimactic or not. It could be considered that 65pt AF, 20.2mp sensor, and DPAF is "incorporating a number of innovative technologies." It could also be considered that those new technologies are "merely better specs."
What is the definition of a product that has "evolved into new territory?" DPAF isn't new, and neither is 20.2mp. A 65pt AF might be new, although it does sound a lot like the 61pt AF system...it would be "evolution" rather than "revolution." Overall, none of the rumored improvements really seem to take the 7D II into a "new area" per-se...but, it's still all just rumors.
Whole thing is still exceptionally vague.
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jrista said:
http://www.canonwatch.com/interview-with-canons-tian-rong-makoto-7d-ii-not-a-story-of-the-day-so-far/
Maeda said the 7D successor would incorporate a certain number of innovative technologies. He said they would not be putting out a product "with merely better specs", but instead "one that has evolved into new territory."
Guess it depends on how you interpret that whether the product will be anticlimactic or not. It could be considered that 65pt AF, 20.2mp sensor, and DPAF is "incorporating a number of innovative technologies." It could also be considered that those new technologies are "merely better specs."
What is the definition of a product that has "evolved into new territory?" DPAF isn't new, and neither is 20.2mp. A 65pt AF might be new, although it does sound a lot like the 61pt AF system...it would be "evolution" rather than "revolution." Overall, none of the rumored improvements really seem to take the 7D II into a "new area" per-se...but, it's still all just rumors.
Whole thing is still exceptionally vague.
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Timing is everything, so allow me to clarify yours. The interview you quote was from January 2013. The 70D was announced six months later, in July 2013. DPAF was not known publicly at the time of the interview, and I'd certainly say that DPAF constitutes an evolution into new territory.
61-pt vs 65-pt sounds like 'better spec', but consider that if the rumor is correct, the 7DII/X will have 65-pt all cross-type AF. That could be considered an evolution.
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neuroanatomist said:
Timing is everything, so allow me to clarify yours. The interview you quote was from January 2013. The 70D was announced six months later, in July 2013. DPAF was not known publicly at the time of the interview, and I'd certainly say that DPAF constitutes an evolution into new territory.
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Alright, fair point.
However, given how far after both the 7D II is coming...DPAF IS known publically, and Canon has already evolved into new territory with it (and with the 20.2mp sensor.) One would also have to assume that Maeda is intelligent enough to know that the 70D, which was clearly already in the pipeline and planned for release, would be "evolving into new territory" with DPAF...thereby taking the that particular feature out of the running for the 7D II, at least as far as new territory goes.
So maybe the timing between the interview and the 70D release is off. Does it actually change the core point of my previous point?
If the point with the 7D II was to take that particular line into new territory, to not mere give it a bump up in feature specs, but make it something new and innovative...does reusing most of what the 70D brought to the table, and maybe dropping in a slightly evolved 1D X AF unit and meter...really achieve that goal? I'm not going to say it goes against what Maeda stated...he said the 7D II would "evolve into new territory"...so no one should really be expecting radical things with the 7D II.
All I am saying is...if people ultimately see the 7D II release as "anticlimactic"...I would understand. It doesn't sound like it's going to be bringing any major new technological innovations to the table, unless there is something particularly amazing and new about the 65pt AF system. It'll probably be like the 5D II-5D III upgrade. The whole package deal together, a complex of features combined, makes it a larger leap from the prior model....but no single feature will really stand out as being truly amazing or unknown or new.
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