The Follow-Up to the EOS 5D Mark III Will be Called...... [CR2]
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Come on. That's such a dumb argument. Because they are selling more cameras and lenses they are also ahead in the technology stakes? Every empire crumbles. You'd struggle to find anyone to argue that Windows mobile was a great OS, or that Windows 8 really hit the spot. MS were the market leader and now look at the sorry state they are in. Almost no share of the mobile market. For those of us invested in glass, we are a captive audience. This forum seems to be split between pragmatists who just want modern equipment and see how Canon are simply failing to innovate or even keep up, and this weird crowd of Canon devotees who will not see their chosen brand sullied.
Surely all that matters is being able to get the best possible equipment for the money you have to spend. Who cares about which brand it is. Unless you've shelled out on a Canon baseball cap. You have haven't you?
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Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! Who cares what it will be called? Call it "5D BLA"!Canon Rumors said:
In German we say: "Namen sind Schall und Rauch!"
There's no good translation for it but
"Names! Who cares about names? What's the features?"
So where's the latest spec list?
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August? I need to upgrade my 5DII and I'm not about to buy a 5DIII while waiting for the Mark IV. Wedding season starts in one month for me, I can't wait til August.
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Problem is, that market shares show that despite the camera market crumbling, Canon is far from beeing domed.Pebbles said:
So the the argument is several years away from beeing dumb.
Dumb is, who argues against market shares, turnovers and gross profit. Because that's what matters in business.
Where's the gross profit of Nikon or Sony imaging?
Thank you!
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expatinasia said:
4K. Can't do that with a MIII. That and video focus. That's why I decided to to skip the Mk III when I upgraded my 5d2 last year (with a 7d2). The 7d2 is a nice camera, overall much nicer than the 5d2, but video quality is underwhelming. If the 7d2 had 4k or its video quality comparable to the Panasonic GH4 even at sub 4k, I wouldn't have bothered waiting for the 5d4. I might have added a used 5d3 and stayed happy with the 5d3/7d2 combo for years to come. But from the 1dx2 video samples I have seen, the mkIV should have killer video and that to me is worth it.
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I don't care about names and brands. I'm using Canon for weddings from 6 years and I've invested in lenses. I need to upgrade my 5D2 and I really would like a new camera capable of 4K recording and good AF. Every time I pass by my city store the A7R2 and those Batis are smiling at me, can't resist 'til August/September, but I don't wanna sell all my lenses either. :'(
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Just a guess, but it may be that the new 5D MarkIV / X will have a lot in common with the 1D X II and component production needs to catch up. Once the production goals of the 1D X II have been reached, the components can be allocated to the 5D mark IV / X line. The other consideration is that the same physical space and assembly workers are probably being used for both bodies.
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5D mark IV?
5DX?
5Dc?
What's in a name? That which we call a 5D IV by any other name would smell as sweet.
5DX?
5Dc?
What's in a name? That which we call a 5D IV by any other name would smell as sweet.
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Pebbles said:
Actually, history has shown us that being cutting-edge innovative all the time with all of your products isn't conducive to market leadership. Who cares about technology leadership? Canon doesn't because Canon wants to stay in business. You're complaining about crap that you and maybe 300 other people in the entire world care about.
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Also, you being a captive audience is not our's or Canon's fault. It's YOUR fault. Don't complain, whine, moan, about your dire situation; a situation you put yourself in. Switch to Sony. If you can't, well then that's your own fault, like I said.
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You're missing the point: the point is that there is no technology race, there is only a business race. Anyone who does not understand that should probably never attempt to operate a business.Pebbles said:
No, you could sell your glass and buy another brand. By not doing so you've set the limit on how much more you value the "technology" of other brands.
No, the pragmatists are the ones who see business for what it is: business. Canon is not an athletic team trying to be "the best" at all costs -- they are a business.
For you, the customer, this is true. It's also true for me, the customer. But this merely explains what the customers want, it does not explain what a manufacturer wants. What a business wants is to increase profits, return value to shareholders, and give raises and bonuses to the executives. Everything else grows from that. Personally, I don't really like that, but there's nothing I can do about it because it's just the way our economic system is constructed. I would love to have a camera with the best sensor, best ergonomics, best handling, best UI and lowest cost. I'm just not so naive as to believe this is going to happen.
This also holds for Nikon: if they could trade places with Canon they'd do immediately.
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Pebbles said:
Well, I was going to write it off as an underexaggeration but then I remembered the real-life CIPA statistics...
I guess having real, hard facts and data is considered "nothing else."
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Pebbles said:
Oh, I'm sorry – you didn't specify you meant that Canon has lost the technology race. So they're behind on AF (remind me who else has DPAF, f/8 dedicated PDAF for all AF points, and high-precision f/2.8 AF points)? Behind on frame rate? Behind on a user-friendly UI? I think maybe you need to specify further...
If you meant the race to have more new cameras recalled for faulty design/production or the race to have the longest service turnaround time, yes, Canon has lost.
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Come on. That's such a dumb generalization.
Pebbles said:
That's all that should matter to any individual. But, you make the mistake of ASSuming that your personal definition of 'the best possible equipment' applies to everyone. The fact that Canon has been #1 for 13 years straight is strong evidence that a majority of photographers believe that Canon delivers for them, "...the best possible equipment for the money [they] have to spend." So your statements that Canon has 'fallen behind' and 'lost the race' just make you look foolish.
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kevl said:
I always did hate the late summer (and even worse once it started sliding to late fall) release schedule. Out goes wedding season in big chunks of the world where DSLR sell well. And same for huge summer trips to cool places. Out goes fall sports season. Out goes summer sports. Out goes fall foliage.
Anyway I semi-don't care all that super level much anymore since A7R II is working pretty well for me (and it might end up doing many things better than this 5D4 anyway; although it has some downsides too and I think a native lens mount works a bit better too etc, it's not really a one body solution).
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Innovative only means low ISO DR. If you can have 16 stops at ISO 100 but only 8 stops at ISO 6400 that is still way way way way better! I have no idea why, it just sounds cool and Sony said it's cutting edge. Who cares about AF, lenses, service, speed lite system, highest resolution sensor in 35mm format, high ISO DR. Who cares about all that when you don't have 16 stops of DR at ISO 100?? How can they continue on as a business? It's disgusting!
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