Two More New Lenses Mentioned [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

We’ve been told about two more lenses coming in 2016, one being an EF-S mount version of the 22mm f/2 STM and an EF 85mm f/1.8 IS.</p>
<p>While the EF 85mm f/1.8 IS would be a welcomed update in the Canon lineup, the EF-S 22mm f/2 STM is a bit odd, considering there’s already an EF 24mm f/2.8 STM in the lineup. Optically the EF-M 22 f/2 STM is pretty stellar, but does the APS-C DSLR segment need the same lens?</p>
<p>This comes from an unknown source, and hopefully we hear more.</p>

 

[brad-man]

An updated 85 kept at 1.8 and with IS would indeed be very welcomed. Hopefully the increase in size will be minimal (a la the 35IS). It would be fantastic for FF or crop.

 

[lw]

Optically the EF-M 22 f/2 STM is pretty stellar, but does the APS-C DSLR segment need the same lens?</p>

Is Canon creating a rod for its own back with 3 overlapping lens mounts?
Do its customers need each focal length in 3 mounts?

No surprise that M users crave some additional EF-M lenses, particularly primes. But Canon never created EF-S primes until the 24mm (60mm Macro aside).

The EF adaptor is not an ideal solution for M users as it rather defeats the object of having a smaller lightweight system.

If anything, EF-S is going to get squeezed out in the middle. Apart from UWA, and kit type zooms, why make any EF-S primes when EF lenses fit directly? More to the point why start making them now after all these years without them.

 

[Chaitanya]

Still no replacement for the pre historic 50mm macro.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

When 24mm STM was released, I was sad. This meant little chance of seeing an EF-S version with F2 aperture.

I would be happy if Canon prove that I was wrong, and launch an EF-S 22mm F2 of the same size of 50 STM.

85mm F1.8 IS is also an old desire.

 

[Sporgon]

Optically the EF-M 22 f/2 STM is pretty stellar, but does the APS-C DSLR segment need the same lens?</p>

If anything, EF-S is going to get squeezed out in the middle. Apart from UWA, and kit type zooms, why make any EF-S primes when EF lenses fit directly? More to the point why start making them now after all these years without them.

I don't think Ef-s will be squeezed out; possibly quite the opposite. Although I have been a FF user since 2005, personally I think we may see a decline in the desire for FF from those that don't really need it as they find that APS is capable of producing the same results at much lower cost. This will take time because when viewing images at 100% on screen FF always looks clearer, but this doesn't translate to smaller images and normal size prints.

Why indeed make EF-s primes when there are many very reasonably priced FF ones that are relatively small.

With regard to your last question refer to my first paragraph. I think Canon are ahead of the curve with the 7DII. Nikon could be heading down the wrong path in offering more FF and less aps. And Pentax may be too late to the party with their FF offering.

 

[mb66energy]

Still no replacement for the pre historic 50mm macro.

What a pitty - for me a 2.0 50mm IS macro would be the perfect lens complementing the 2.8 100 macro.

An EF-S 2.0 22 stm: must use a totally different formula compared to the EF-M version. IMO this lens
will not come.

EF 1.8 85 IS is very interesting while I would like a EF 2.0 100 IS much more - I don't like these odd f-stops at full aperture ...

 

[mb66energy]

One thing which comes into mind about an EF-S 2.0 22:

Maybe Canon is planning to give future mirrorless systems an EF compatible
mount which accepts EF, EF-S and "EF-X-lenses". "EF-X" could be a new lens type
which goes deeper into the mount and is NOT compatible with D-SLRs.

This would lead to a larger mirrorless body but specialty lenses which put lens
elements between mount flange and sensor for compactness and better IQ.

No longer the need for an EF to EF-M adaptor and the chance to implement a
ring around the lens mount base to set ... the aperture (or anything else customizable by menu)!
And time for a larger grip with a larger high capacity battery.

 

[Busted Knuckles]

I see a 22 f2 EF-S being ideal for the rebel crowd and the SL-(x) crowd. 22 f2, 40 2.8 and you have a really small package for walk/knock around shooting. Yea you don't have all the uber features but it is grandma's birthday party for crying out loud.

High school level video shooters would really benefit from a SL1 w/ a 22 F2. light weight, easy to mount on an entry level steady cam

I look at this as really priming the entry level product set so that the younger enthusiasts can join in and get brand loyal. Smart move by Canon my 2 cents.

As to completely different formula - perhaps just the last element to compensate for the flange distance. Being an owner of the 22 EF-M I very happy w/ the IQ, even in the corners so something that helps the angles of the light hitting sensor would seem to only improve corner IQ.

I am just happy to be in the fray - function, features, etc are just getting better.

 

[switters]

If the 85/1.8 IS performs as well as the 35 IS, it will be a very popular lens indeed.

 

[Maximilian]

If the 85/1.8 IS performs as well as the 35 IS, it will be a very popular lens indeed.

+1
I would have prefered a F1.4 lens, even without IS but if it is really good at F1.8 I'll be in for it.

EF-S 22/2.0? Hmm, looks strange after the 24/2.8 but the extra 2 mm and aperture might be interesting, if at the same level as the EF-M.

 

[Lee Jay]

While the EF 85mm f/1.8 IS would be a welcomed update in the Canon lineup, the EF-S 22mm f/2 STM is a bit odd, considering there’s already an EF 24mm f/2.8 STM in the lineup.

What in the world???

The whole reason the 24/2.8 is (to me) useless is that it's not faster than f/2.8. I'd rather have the 17-55/2.8 IS for crop or any of the 24-70/2.8s for full-frame.

For me, the whole point of a prime is SPEED. Unusual focal lengths (like my 2800mm/10 telescope) and/or features (like the TS-e lenses) can be good too, but zooms are now plenty good optically so primes are of no use if they just overlap with zooms. A 22/2 for crop SLRs would be incredibly useful - way more useful than a 24/2.8 which is overlapped by multiple zooms.

Of course, for me, this is all moot since I got the Sigma 18-35/1.8.

 

[davidcl0nel]

Hopefully the increase in size will be minimal (a la the 35IS). It would be fantastic for FF or crop.

Minimal?
http://www.eflens.com/ef-lenses/ef_35_f_2.html -> 210g
http://www.eflens.com/ef-lenses/ef_35mm_f2_is_usm.html -> 335g

Yes, I like the 35 IS very much, because its light and good to handle - but the older version was _much_ smaller.
But the picture quality improves a lot, which isn't needed a lot on the 85mm one, this is already a good lens.
I look for a 85mm portrait lens and wait for a Sigma Art 85mm also, but maybe a 85 IS (if reasonable priced of course!) is what I really want..

 

[ritholtz]

If Canon release ef-s 22 f2, going to sell sigma 30mm and get this. That is the only prime lens I need. Looks like Canon is going to release something for crop. Some noise about 22 f2, 15-80 f2-4, 100-300mm and 50-150mm. Hopefully we see one at least.

 

[AvTvM]

An EF-S 2.0 22 stm: must use a totally different formula compared to the EF-M version. IMO this lens
will not come.

+1

It is not as easy as simply taking an EF-M lens and chaning the mount to EF-S. The shorter flange back of the EF-M mount necessitates quite different optical layouts compared to EF-S lenses.

EF-M 22/2.0
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/ef-m/ef_m22_2_stm.html?p=2

EF-S 24/2.8
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/tech/report/2014/12/img/zu_01.gif
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/tech/report/2014/12/


Even the two "identically specced" kit zooms EF-S 18-55 IS STM vs. EF-M 18-55 IS STM are quite different in their optical layout:
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/ef-m/ef_m18~55_3_5~5_6_is_stm.html?p=2
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/lens/ef/data/ef-s/ef_s18~55_f35~56is_stm.html?p=2

 

[Chaitanya]

Still no replacement for the pre historic 50mm macro.

What a pitty - for me a 2.0 50mm IS macro would be the perfect lens complementing the 2.8 100 macro.

An EF-S 2.0 22 stm: must use a totally different formula compared to the EF-M version. IMO this lens
will not come.

EF 1.8 85 IS is very interesting while I would like a EF 2.0 100 IS much more - I don't like these odd f-stops at full aperture ...

f/2 for a 1:1 macro would be a bit too wide, although it might serve as a portrait lens for crop body users. I was hoping that by now Canon would have replaced that 50mm f/2.5 macro with a EF 60mm f/2.8 IS USM lens with IF . It would have been perfect complement for the Sigma 150mm OS lens that I use on a daily basis for macro. I personally find the 50/60mm too close to complement 100mm macro as compared to 150/180mm lens.

 

[rfdesigner]

I went for the 100 f2.0 when I was looking around the 85mm fl range.

Part of the reason for avoiding the 85 f1.8 was the softness often mentioned at 1.8 in the 85, I checked before I bought and the 100 just seemed a less soft wide open than the 85.

I tend to shoot at faster than 1/100th or slower than 1 second. IS won't make me upgrade, but I'm sure many will find it very useful.

I hope they improve the optics at the same time as adding IS.

 

[brad-man]

Hopefully the increase in size will be minimal (a la the 35IS). It would be fantastic for FF or crop.

Minimal?http://www.eflens.com/ef-lenses/ef_35_f_2.html -> 210g
http://www.eflens.com/ef-lenses/ef_35mm_f2_is_usm.html -> 335g

Yes, I like the 35 IS very much, because its light and good to handle - but the older version was _much_ smaller.
But the picture quality improves a lot, which isn't needed a lot on the 85mm one, this is already a good lens.
I look for a 85mm portrait lens and wait for a Sigma Art 85mm also, but maybe a 85 IS (if reasonable priced of course!) is what I really want..

The new 35 is 10.5mm (1/2") wider and 20mm (3/4") longer than the original. Considering the improved optics and the inclusion of IS, yes, I consider that minimal. Since the original 35 was diminutive in comparison to the 85, I would not expect the 85 to grow proportionally larger. My expectation could, of course, be wrong.

 

[cellomaster27]

I love my 85 1.8. Really a killer lens for its value! Improve its optics at 1.8-2.2 and maybe a better build. IS is going to be awesome on it! The only thing I would be worried about this 85mm 1.8 IS lens is the price tag.. 3x price hike is my guess from the original model.. ha ha but then, it wouldn't be canon if they didnt do so. ;D

 

[SteveA]

I would be interested in an EF-S 22mm 2.0 IS USM, not an STM. I have a Canon 35 2.0 IS USM, that I like, but its' crop factor is 56mm. A 22mm on crop is 35mm. The 24 2.8 STM is 2.8 and STM. I rarely shoot video, and I don't like the sleep mode of the STM lenses. I have the 10-18 STM and 55-250 STM. Both are small, light, sharp, and inexpensive, but the STM on the 55-250 is difficult to use for action photos.