*UPDATE* More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

[mathino]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

Yeah, this DOES sound too good to be true. It looks like a 5D Mark III for half the price. I don't see a reason why Canon would do that. I just hope I'm wrong, though.

I can think of couple of things: lower max ISO, less fps, worse AF, less video stuff (adjustments), no headphones jack, less sealing, smaller buffer...basicly something that could 5D Mk II user want as a replacement and Mk III user as backup.

...Canon needs something to replace 5D Mk II (Mk III is not a replacement but and upgrade to higher level, like a new line) and to have something to compete D600 with. This could be such a body.

 

[scokar]

Touch Screens

I would look forward to a touch screen if it also has a well done user interface:

menu navigation,
custom settings - setting, selecting
direct print
etc

with a physical lock/unlock toggle button.

 

[Marsu42]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

(Mk III is not a replacement but and upgrade to higher level, like a new line)

I disagree, the 5d3 was the intended replacement (hence the name), but Canon screwed up because they didn't account for the competition and now have to put out another camera body. If it wasn't for Sony and Nikon, the 5d2 would probably already have gone and people would have to decide either to pay $3000+, stick with a crop camera or wait a 1-2 years for the price to drop. Hail to the competition!

 

[unxpectederror]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

this camera would make a whole lot more sense if it was aps-c

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

(Mk III is not a replacement but and upgrade to higher level, like a new line)

I disagree, the 5d3 was the intended replacement (hence the name), but Canon screwed up because they didn't account for the competition and now have to put out another camera body. If it wasn't for Sony and Nikon, the 5d2 would probably already have gone and people would have to decide either to pay $3000+, stick with a crop camera or wait a 1-2 years for the price to drop. Hail to the competition!

I agree with the latter...but yet disagree too. 5d3 is the replacement for the 5d2, that is certain. But I don't think canon screwed up. I think of it like this. If you advertise your cost for lets say wedding photography at $3500, and the other guy, your competition who is just as good as you (better in some ways, but worse in other's starts targeting your clients and telling them they'd do it for $3000 is it you that screwed up your pricing...or, is the other guy in fact undercutting you by offering a similar deal for less $$$?????

I bring this up because in almost every pricing discussion for our work, those that charge too little are called bad names --- it's frowned upon. Some even go as far as saying its part of whats destroying professional photography. So in a real world comparison - if you believe your work is worth every penny of the $3500, do you lower your rates and profits and match your competition or do you stick to your guns and maintain your rates?

 

[DonHorne]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

Just give me a sensor at least on par with the Mark II & better autofocus, a wireless flash controller would seal the deal. I'll gladly do without video to keep the price at $1500 as I think most people would.

 

[Martin]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

WOW, I would be again so happy that canon put more than 1 AF point and a superb sesnor with great dynamic range of 5EV Maybe they use some 15 year old sensor and tune it by 0,25 EV. Great! Hope that the upgrade will be beyond a new facebook button on the back.

 

[Marsu42]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

I agree with the latter...but yet disagree too. 5d3 is the replacement for the 5d2, that is certain. But I don't think canon screwed up.

Well, thinking about it again the other alternative is that Canon planned the 6d (*if* there will be such a thing) all along, and priced the 5d3 high strategically to leave space for an entry-level ff that isn't obsoleted as soon as the 5d3 price drops some. If that that is the case Canon would be more clever than I though because the 5d3 will still sell @3000+ for people who want to afford it, and the 6d will prevent people with Canon lenses to jump ship to Nikon.

 

[preppyak]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

Just give me a sensor at least on par with the Mark II & better autofocus, a wireless flash controller would seal the deal. I'll gladly do without video to keep the price at $1500 as I think most people would.

If it were that simple, sure, people probably would. But removing video won't make the camera cheaper

 

[preppyak]

Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]

12800 ISO sounds kind of low - perhaps it could be extended to 25600 and even 51200... that would mean that 6400 was really usable.

Yeah, the spec list says (+H1 and H2), which would seem to imply that it goes go to 51200, but 12,800 is the last true ISO level. And I'd take useable 6400.

 

[e_honda]

Honestly, if this supposed 6D does indeed come out and sells for under $2K, how many people on this board do you think (who haven't already bought one) would buy a 5D3?

I think there would be a substantial drop in the desire to buy one.

 

[Martin]

prevent??? why because it will have a flip out touch screen and facebook button? The competition is not only about the price. it's about the brand policy and strategy too. It is a shame imho that canon does not move forward with core feature like sensor. Instead of developing things that really matter they focus on gadgets and high price tags. Is it the only area they can upgrade? so far it seems true. So far, they try to put already developed things together in different products. Very economical way. Maybe next camera will be 3d with 5d3 body, 50d sensor, 5d2 AF...and 6d facebook button.

 

[DB]

This spec list of a possible new 6D is simply an amalgam of OLD parts from the 5D2 (Sensor) 7D (AF) and 650D/T4i (articulated screen) and as such if true would represent an act of desperation by Canon Inc. to throw out a new model line based on existing/old technology.

Yes all manufacturers like to share components to reduce costs (e.g. Audi TT, Skodia Fabia and VW Golf all have the same chassis, but that's where it ends) just as the T2i/T3i/60D/7D all share the same 18MP sensor...

..however, to bring out a new model series (6D) with a 2008 sensor and a 2009 auto-focus & metering system, is just pure marketing at its worst. At one level, it shows clear contempt for the consumer. At another, it shows a lack of desire to develop new tech and compete directly with Sony, Nikon, Pentax etc.

 

[e_honda]

..however, to bring out a new model series (6D) with a 2008 sensor and a 2009 auto-focus & metering system, is just pure marketing at its worst. At one level, it shows clear contempt for the consumer. At another, it shows a lack of desire to develop new tech and compete directly with Sony, Nikon, Pentax etc.

The gist of what I'm getting from reading these forums is that what people want are the features and specs of the 5D3. They just don't want to pay the >$3K price tag for it.

But really: If Canon put out a 6D with the same 5D3 sensor and a slightly worse AF system/burst rate and priced it under $2K, who is going to pay the $1K+ premium for a 5D3?

 

[DB]

okay, but other manufacturers are releasing bodies with all new sensors coupled with new features and basic items such as dual memory card slots as standard

 

[Martin]

This spec list of a possible new 6D is simply an amalgam of OLD parts from the 5D2 (Sensor) 7D (AF) and 650D/T4i (articulated screen) and as such if true would represent an act of desperation by Canon Inc. to throw out a new model line based on existing/old technology.

Yes all manufacturers like to share components to reduce costs (e.g. Audi TT, Skodia Fabia and VW Golf all have the same chassis, but that's where it ends) just as the T2i/T3i/60D/7D all share the same 18MP sensor...

..however, to bring out a new model series (6D) with a 2008 sensor and a 2009 auto-focus & metering system, is just pure marketing at its worst. At one level, it shows clear contempt for the consumer. At another, it shows a lack of desire to develop new tech and compete directly with Sony, Nikon, Pentax etc.

I completely agree with you. It seems that they did not make a right moves and agreements in the past, like nikon did with sony. For me it is clear and it has a huge influence on their products at present which are "new" in marketing way of thinking but for real there's not much "new" in canon "new products". To be honest, I really regret that I've switched from competition.

 

[mitch.o]

I'm actually excited to hear about the wireless feature. Seeing the trend in basically... everything else.... to wireless data transferring, it's about time we have it in our $2000 (I hope...) cameras.

 

[AdamJ]

I don't agree with the old-tech moaners. The target audience for this body are APS-C owners who are already invested in the wider EOS system and to whom anything Nikon does is immaterial. To those users, the 5DII's sensor would be a revelation, the 5DIII sensor more so. The 7D focusing system is good enough not to be a purchase barrier, as the 5DII's AF has been for many. And if a plastic body and an absence of non-critical features means it is within financial reach, then so be it.

On the subject of the AF system, it may well be based on the 7D's system, but I doubt it will be the 7D's actual system as that wouldn't cover a large enough area on FF. So, if it isn't the 5DII's or 5DIII's AF system, then it's going to be a new AF system, even if it's based on the 7D.

 

[shannon76]

I believe that Canon is on the right track if they are basically putting the 5DmkIII sensor in the 7D body and charging the difference for the new 22MP sensor and a few new features. This would be a perfect camera for someone looking to upgrade to a FF camera for around $1800-2000. Or someone looking to upgrade from their 5Dmkii who isn't making a fortune in photography and can't justify $3500. I can buy a 7D now for $1200-1400 so I can't see how adding a FF sensor to an existing camera can cost that much more. They are basically just adding a new assembly line to compile mostly existing parts. Unless it isn't the exact same body as the 7D, but then the question would be why not? This is suppose to be an entry level FF right? The price shouldn't be to far off from the 7D. I would really hope that this new camera comes in at $2000 or less. This would be within reach for most of us folks with Rebels and 60Ds. Please announce the official specs and price soon Canon. I'm wearing out my keyboard going to Canonrumors.

 

[heron88]

Just bump IQ as much as possible, give me either some type of raw video format up to 1080p60 or give me the old compressed format with at least 720p120 and I'll be happy.