Update: The Canon EOS R3 will be officially announced on June 29th

[Finn]

Half way on my calculation I realized 30.1MP is the same number of pixel on Eos R if it’s the number of effective pixels. So the crop for 1:1 4K will be 1.74 as Eos R, 1.17 crop for 6K raw and Natuve raw is 7K.

It has the R5 processor so I’m going to say it will offer at least 6K RAW with a small crop in Canon RAW Lite. For video shooters that is pretty exciting, imho. No other cameras are offering internal RAW besides RED Komodo in this price range.
Since it is a stacked sensor the readout will be fast, rolling shutter minimized, and the RAW image will probably look pretty damn good.

R3 shaping up to be an exciting camera. Finally a pro level video quality and features in a 1DX style body and mirrorless with tracking DPAF.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

No other cameras are offering internal RAW besides RED Komodo in this price range.

BMPCC 4K, 6K, and 6K Pro.
URSA Mini 4.6K Pro
C200
1DX Mark III
multiple ZCAM E2 models

 

[tcphoto]

My heart says, yes but my pandemic budget asks, how much is a kidney worth?

 

[David - Sydney]

SDexpress continuous write speed will probably be as fast as any of your CFexpress cards or when Xsfering to a PC. Canon is on the memory card committee. They are fully aware of what will be happening in the memory card arena. There is only 4 manufacturer cards compatible and tested with Canon's CFexpress bus for high resolution video that wont give video recording flags. Basically a crap shoot. And they arent sold locally at Best Buy either
And lets not even debate the card reader crap. Companies struggling to sell cameras and then consumers have to search for card readers.

Canon Knowledge Base - Compatible Cards (EOS R5)

SD Express spec 8 can handle 4gb/s ie the same as 4 PCIe lanes. CFe Type A = 1GB/s, Type B = 2GB/s, Type C (much bigger ) = 4GB/s.... but Lexar's write speed for the first SD Express card is 400MB/s to be released in 2022.

So yes, SD Express can be fast but there aren't controllers and cards that will be equivalent for a long time. SD Express will also not be available locally except in specialist stores.

There are 4 officially supported OEMs for Type B but users report that the smaller Sandisk also work. Only Sony produces the CFe Type A and canon would be crazy to rely on Sony memory for a Canon flagship camera.

The question is really what speed is needed and what heat is generated? Canon RAW light options can reduce the bit rate by ~half. Sony got their 4:2:0 oversampled 8K down to 400MB/s so they didn't need CFe Type B.

So what choice is there for Canon? Dual CFe Type B would clearly work and there should be space in the R3 body for them if they wanted to include them. UHS-II SD is the only other choice but they are significantly slower than CFe B and slightly cheaper now for the same capacity and could become cheaper again over time.

 

[David - Sydney]

Half way on my calculation I realized 30.1MP is the same number of pixel on Eos R if it’s the number of effective pixels. So the crop for 1:1 4K will be 1.74 as Eos R, 1.17 crop for 6K raw and Natuve raw is 7K.

Hopefully the lower resolutions will be available oversampled without overheating times. Will Canon remove the 30 minute limit??

 

[David - Sydney]

Best is to have both card types for each slots! Like in the Sony A1! This is the best!

Only if you want to record lower bit rate high-res video. Canon's 8K raw is ~2600Mb/s and only CFe Type B can handle that. Canon's lowest 8K bit rate after the latest firmware is 8K UHD IPB light @ 340MB/s.
Sony's 8K recording speed is ~400MB/s
Can you tell the difference? That is the real question and if not then Canon has over specified their bus/card system and created the overheating issues that were pounced on by detractors.

 

[David - Sydney]

Some people have it in their minds that both slots have to match no matter what.
Sony found a way to please both sides but they did so by choosing an inferior yet more expensive CF Express type.

With one supplier and has supply difficulties. The UHS-II/Type A combined card slot is a nice design though.

 

[Finn]

BMPCC 4K, 6K, and 6K Pro.
URSA Mini 4.6K Pro
C200
1DX Mark III
multiple ZCAM E2 models

Ok, yes. I should have been more specific. Those cameras are great, especially Blackmagic for the price. But R3 offers excellent AF and weather ceiling in one body without need for rigging.

1DXIII is a DSLR photo camera. I don’t like to be stuck looking at a small screen on the back for video.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

Only if you want to record lower bit rate high-res video. Canon's 8K raw is ~2600MB/s firehose and only CFe Type B can handle that. Canon's lowest 8K bit rate after the latest firmware is 8K UHD IPB light @ 340MB/s.
Sony's 8K recording speed is ~400MB/s
Can you tell the difference? That is the real question and if not then Canon has over specified their bus/card system and created the overheating issues that were pounced on by detractors.

The bitrate discussions fascinate me.
I used to be able to tell who came from film and who came from video.
The video folks would complain about the cost of media because they were used to paying next to nothing and favored lower bit rates.
The film people could not believe how cheap the media was compared to film so they favored higher bit rates.
Now we have people who never used either and are kind of in the middle.
Canon really threw the kitchen sink at the R5 and it goes from IBP Light to full Canon RAW.
It does not surprise me when people buy inexpensive cameras and focus on the cost of media but I wanted to slap everyone who bought $80K US RED cameras and complained about the cost of RED mags.
I only didn't because I suspect they would not cheap out on lawyers.

 

[reef58]

It's really not that, because all of that stuff got better, cheaper and faster too. You're not going to win this one dude.

Let's be truthful here. You're arguing for lack of capability for your own personal needs and desires. Understandable, but if they're only exist one camera, is a bit selfish. Or at least very short-sighted to say the least

Yeah, I had to block some morons here who claim that the EF-mount bodies and lenses are still for sale therefore they're not obsolete. Since when has a viable camera line not had a single new product for three years straight, while another camera line by the same manufacturer has had five bodies and a dozen lenses?

In many ways even the R beat the 1Dx3, even. Much less the R3.

Having owned both I can say for me the R didn't have anything over the 1DX3. It is smaller and lighter. If you like shooting video through the viewfinder that is a check for the R but every other category the 1dx3 is superior, but I am sure you will assume I am making this up since it can't possibly be true.

 

[unfocused]

Do you know why they sell in small numbers? Because Sony has made a mirrorless 50mp camera years ago.

Get with the times man, being a Sony troll is so five years ago.

 

[FrenchFry]

Continue reading...

If the official launch is in 3 days, I am puzzled that there is still no countdown or information about it on the Canon websites. For the R5 it seemed like there were all sorts of events planned to hype it up. If you want your launch to grab headlines, wouldn't you let everyone know there is a launch in the first place?

 

[koenkooi]

There's technical workarounds. An 80MP camera could easily have a down-sample setting that outputs only 20MP raw for people who want that. Or forget the DNG and just use a JPG file if you're so much more about file size/speed than IQ.

If it’s downsampled it isn’t RAW anymore, per definition.

 

[koenkooi]

Only if you want to record lower bit rate high-res video. Canon's 8K raw is ~2600MB/s firehose and only CFe Type B can handle that. Canon's lowest 8K bit rate after the latest firmware is 8K UHD IPB light @ 340MB/s.
Sony's 8K recording speed is ~400MB/s
Can you tell the difference? That is the real question and if not then Canon has over specified their bus/card system and created the overheating issues that were pounced on by detractors.

I think you’re mixing up B(ytes) and b(its) in the above. The fastest CFe B cards top out at 1500MBytes/s writes currently.

 

[Finn]

If the official launch is in 3 days, I am puzzled that there is still no countdown or information about it on the Canon websites. For the R5 it seemed like there were all sorts of events planned to hype it up. If you want your launch to grab headlines, wouldn't you let everyone know there is a launch in the first place?

My guess…it’s the official unveiling with a vague “available at end of 2021”. Everybody is having a hard time getting anything with silicon out.

 

[Bahrd]

30.1mp backside illuminated image sensor (A Canon first)

Is this resolution already written in silicon?

 

[VegasCameraGuy]

Well the 30.1 mp just saved me $6,000 bucks. I'm sticking with my R5 until maybe the R1? My other kidney feels better already.

 

[privatebydesign]

Gosh, why wouldn't it work for you???

Because the size of the files limits the speed and efficiency of my turnaround, storage and processing, and while all of those can be increased they can’t be increased at no cost. Which means my costs go up and my price has to go up, which is bad for business.


What is so hard to understand about the concept that more is not necessarily an advantage and for some it is a disadvantage? If I shot video and needed 4K I wouldn’t need an 8k camera, what is so different?

 

[Loswr]

If I shot video and needed 4K I wouldn’t need an 8k camera, what is so different?

But you could just downsample it…

 

[Aregal]

Based on the rumors, my main issue is the mismatched card slots. I'm stunned they'd do this on a 1 series/pro type body. Everything else is a great upgrade for me coming from the OG 1DX. I usually buy every other 1 series camera but skipped the 1DX mIII waiting for my mirrorless switch. This looks to be worthy. Of course, waiting for the release to double check rumor vs reality.

To my knowledge Canon said that this is not a 1D-level camera. Also, the 1Dxii has mismatched card slots when launched between the 1Dx and 1Dxiii (1MarkIV also had mismatched card slots). Personally, I’m waiting for the R1.