Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
Does Canon like selling cameras to video people?
neuroanatomist said:
Does Canon like selling cameras to video people?
Upvote
0
*UPDATED* Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
- Thread starter Canon Rumors
- Start date
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
Please can you show me two photos comparing the blur on a 5D3 and a 5DS where camera shake is more apparent in two images of the same output dimensions.
If camera shake occurs and causes (pulling number out of the air) 20microns of blurring on the sensor, why would the higher MP camera make that blur any bigger or more obvious? Scientific explanations welcome.
dilbert said:
Please can you show me two photos comparing the blur on a 5D3 and a 5DS where camera shake is more apparent in two images of the same output dimensions.
If camera shake occurs and causes (pulling number out of the air) 20microns of blurring on the sensor, why would the higher MP camera make that blur any bigger or more obvious? Scientific explanations welcome.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
That I couldn't say, but their tacit approval of ML development on the 5-series suggests that at the very least they do not believe it to be hurting sales.
neuroanatomist said:
That I couldn't say, but their tacit approval of ML development on the 5-series suggests that at the very least they do not believe it to be hurting sales.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
To me, the CF choice is a positive one. CF cards are getting cheap, they are rock solid and we already have a heap of them. I don´t care about video and the only reason to go CFast is +30fps 4k, which was unrealistic in the first place, because it would hurt 1DX-II sales (to some extent at least). The good news (I hope) is that we should see significant sensor performance improvements. I am perfectly happy to live with 5DIII functionality, if I could get a better sensor. And, I am curious to what the "first for a Canon DSLR" thing is.
However, I am currently not on the buyer´s list for this camera though. With the 1DX-II/5DSR combo, I do not see how the 5DIV could add much value, unless we get DR and low light performance beyond expectation.
Expecting Canon to make design decision based on what non-Canon entities can do to their product is probably not what I would call realistic ...neuroanatomist said:
To me, the CF choice is a positive one. CF cards are getting cheap, they are rock solid and we already have a heap of them. I don´t care about video and the only reason to go CFast is +30fps 4k, which was unrealistic in the first place, because it would hurt 1DX-II sales (to some extent at least). The good news (I hope) is that we should see significant sensor performance improvements. I am perfectly happy to live with 5DIII functionality, if I could get a better sensor. And, I am curious to what the "first for a Canon DSLR" thing is.
However, I am currently not on the buyer´s list for this camera though. With the 1DX-II/5DSR combo, I do not see how the 5DIV could add much value, unless we get DR and low light performance beyond expectation.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
I must admit I'm a bit disappointed by the alleged lack of CFast but then, as many have pointed out, it's not necessarily required based on the specs we have here.
Of course, there might be a very good reason for the lack of CFast. Would any video shooters object if the 5D4 only did 4k @ 30fps internally but did 4k @ 60fps to an external recorder? The 1DXII is limited to 1080p over HDMI, but I see no reason Canon would not give the 5D4 the advantage here.
I must admit I'm a bit disappointed by the alleged lack of CFast but then, as many have pointed out, it's not necessarily required based on the specs we have here.
Of course, there might be a very good reason for the lack of CFast. Would any video shooters object if the 5D4 only did 4k @ 30fps internally but did 4k @ 60fps to an external recorder? The 1DXII is limited to 1080p over HDMI, but I see no reason Canon would not give the 5D4 the advantage here.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
In fact as dpreview has shown the picture taken with a 5DS/R will always have at least a little less blur than the 5DIII because of the better dampening of the shutter mechanism (if shooting at speeds <1/125 - where blur normally occurs). And somewhat better blur if shooting the 5DS/R in its silent mode.
Anyway...
30 MPIX is just the greatest news for me when it comes to the 5DIV. I just hope and trust it will have the improved mirror-system of the 5DS/R to reduce internal blur. Its a joy to use for everyday shooting. And very useful for those wanting to get more out of the 5DS/R all the time.
Mikehit said:
In fact as dpreview has shown the picture taken with a 5DS/R will always have at least a little less blur than the 5DIII because of the better dampening of the shutter mechanism (if shooting at speeds <1/125 - where blur normally occurs). And somewhat better blur if shooting the 5DS/R in its silent mode.
Anyway...
30 MPIX is just the greatest news for me when it comes to the 5DIV. I just hope and trust it will have the improved mirror-system of the 5DS/R to reduce internal blur. Its a joy to use for everyday shooting. And very useful for those wanting to get more out of the 5DS/R all the time.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
a large proportion of prospective 5d4 buyers are well equipped with CF cards. they do not want to be forced to buy new cards. and they should not be forced to. Cfast has a major problem, because they it is not backwards compatible to CF cards. SD is .. any newer SD-slot also works with all previous generations of SD cards.
personally i am looking forward to a compact EOS "M4 Pro" with dual micro-SD slots, UHS II of course.
unfortunately stupid Canon stunbornly refuses to build it.
dilbert said:
a large proportion of prospective 5d4 buyers are well equipped with CF cards. they do not want to be forced to buy new cards. and they should not be forced to. Cfast has a major problem, because they it is not backwards compatible to CF cards. SD is .. any newer SD-slot also works with all previous generations of SD cards.
personally i am looking forward to a compact EOS "M4 Pro" with dual micro-SD slots, UHS II of course.
unfortunately stupid Canon stunbornly refuses to build it.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
Is there any chance with these specs Canon 5D4 to be better than Sony A7r II in video?
Don't get me wrong, i know there is only rumors at the moment, but i want a camera close to Sony A7R2,good enough for photography and video in the same time.
Sorry for my English dudes.
Thanks
Is there any chance with these specs Canon 5D4 to be better than Sony A7r II in video?
Don't get me wrong, i know there is only rumors at the moment, but i want a camera close to Sony A7R2,good enough for photography and video in the same time.
Sorry for my English dudes.
Thanks
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
Still on the CFast debate? Sheesh! The rumored specs don't need CFast. Period. Canon is not going to unnecessarily inject anything inot this new product that would be perceived by their market as a barrier to entry/upgrade! Simple business 101.
If Canon felt the demand from their largest core market/user base for a specific feature (like, say 60fps in 4k) was so high, then they would take the extra risk of forcing a new (and very expensive) media format into that market. But, obviously they don't see it. Would have personally liked the higher frame rates in video on this camera? YES. But clearly there aren't enough like me for Canon to have warranted doing that without making me jump up to a 1DX2, which I can otherwise justify for fast action stills.
I have a feeling once the official specs are out, I'll be keeping my 5D3 for everyday generic studio workhorse because the resolution for that is just fine at 22MP. For the higher end custom portrait work, I have my 5DSR. Then I'll buy a 1DX2 for all my dance action work and have the high frame rates for video of dance as well.
Canon can't make a one size fits all camera for $2800 like some of you seem to want. I'd like that too, but I live in reality here. It's not always easy or fun, but it is what it is and the 5D4 will be an excellent camera for it's intended purpose.
Still on the CFast debate? Sheesh! The rumored specs don't need CFast. Period. Canon is not going to unnecessarily inject anything inot this new product that would be perceived by their market as a barrier to entry/upgrade! Simple business 101.
If Canon felt the demand from their largest core market/user base for a specific feature (like, say 60fps in 4k) was so high, then they would take the extra risk of forcing a new (and very expensive) media format into that market. But, obviously they don't see it. Would have personally liked the higher frame rates in video on this camera? YES. But clearly there aren't enough like me for Canon to have warranted doing that without making me jump up to a 1DX2, which I can otherwise justify for fast action stills.
I have a feeling once the official specs are out, I'll be keeping my 5D3 for everyday generic studio workhorse because the resolution for that is just fine at 22MP. For the higher end custom portrait work, I have my 5DSR. Then I'll buy a 1DX2 for all my dance action work and have the high frame rates for video of dance as well.
Canon can't make a one size fits all camera for $2800 like some of you seem to want. I'd like that too, but I live in reality here. It's not always easy or fun, but it is what it is and the 5D4 will be an excellent camera for it's intended purpose.
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
Nothing is known yet for certain except for Canon having superior build quality, reliability, battery life, and lack of over-heating issues.
Nothing is known yet for certain except for Canon having superior build quality, reliability, battery life, and lack of over-heating issues.
kphristov said:
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
If the 5D4 could sling a higher frame out to an external like an Atomos or Odyssey, that would probably make the video crowd pretty happy. Personally I'd rather video with a 5 body than a 1body just because of the bulk and weight. That would also be a fair tradeoff from 1DX2 specs which can do 120fps internally. No 4k output though. The DX2 can't even do that.
If the 5D4 could sling a higher frame out to an external like an Atomos or Odyssey, that would probably make the video crowd pretty happy. Personally I'd rather video with a 5 body than a 1body just because of the bulk and weight. That would also be a fair tradeoff from 1DX2 specs which can do 120fps internally. No 4k output though. The DX2 can't even do that.
gsealy said:
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications
Personally, I have a camera to print at a specific size. You seem to be admitting that print at 12x8 or 20x12 the 5DS will show no greater camera shake. Print at 40x30 and the 5DS will still show more detail because of more pixels overriding the camera shake.
So where is this fabled 'camera shake more obvious with a 5DS'? Under what circumstances will having a 5DS be detrimental to image quality?
dilbert said:
Personally, I have a camera to print at a specific size. You seem to be admitting that print at 12x8 or 20x12 the 5DS will show no greater camera shake. Print at 40x30 and the 5DS will still show more detail because of more pixels overriding the camera shake.
So where is this fabled 'camera shake more obvious with a 5DS'? Under what circumstances will having a 5DS be detrimental to image quality?
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
By the way, if some of you are getting this pissed off over CFast ... just wait til they confirm no DPAF ;D
By the way, if some of you are getting this pissed off over CFast ... just wait til they confirm no DPAF ;D
Upvote
0
Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Specifications & Image
I don't mind dropping 2 large on 4 x Cfast cards. If I can shoot and deliver more images then it's worth every penny.
The 5D is a pro body for professionals and they make their money using it. This is different from enthusiasts who shoot for fun but use a pro body. We shouldn't be limited by Canon catering for the non pro segment using a pro product.
I don't mind dropping 2 large on 4 x Cfast cards. If I can shoot and deliver more images then it's worth every penny.
The 5D is a pro body for professionals and they make their money using it. This is different from enthusiasts who shoot for fun but use a pro body. We shouldn't be limited by Canon catering for the non pro segment using a pro product.
Upvote
0
