USD pricing for the Canon EOS R6 Mark II and Canon RF 135mm f/1.8L IS USM has leaked ahead of the imminent announcement

[SwissFrank]

I imagine the optics will be improved after 26 years, too

My 135/2 is so good, I have a hard time believing the EF will be much improved. OTOH if it is, I would love to trade up.

Some lenses have had huge improvement due to lens design software latest generation of really huge 50mm primes), CAD/CAM manufacturing (complicated zooms), or the RF short film-to-flange distance (wide angles). I don't think any of these apply too much to the sort of 85-200mm range, though. Are the RF 85's a lot sharper than the EF 85's? I haven't really checked as I can't be bothered to own one any more.

 

[SwissFrank]

I could imagine though Canon would keep the R6 around until the mkii is available in larger numbers.

I could be wrong and would love to hear it but I imagine lenses and probably also cameras are probably manufactured in shorter batches. I'd guess R6 MkI might have been finished production last year and the assembly lines have long since switched to upcoming products (e.g., MkII).

So not to be argumentative but no, I don't think they'll "keep the R6 around." They're selling down their stock and when it's gone it's gone, I'd imagine. In fact they may have moved the MkII announcement a bit specifically to coincide with the MkI stock running out.

Canon's got no big incentive to stop selling something they have in the warehouse, nor to keep even a tiny production line making it if the MkII is being manufactured already. The only exception I can think of would be parts availability, which granted is a concern over the last few years.

 

[LSXPhotog]

They don't go for much, I can't believe you sold it if you used it a lot. It's the only EF lens I'm using (other than a Sigma 28/1.4).

I was more curious to get the RF 70-200 in my bag for what I do. At the time, I only had space in my bag to choose my 100-400 or my 70-200. But with the newer, smaller design, I could pack the both of the lenses. However, after selling the EF 135 and 70-200, I started to realize that missed having the 135L a lot…it was a very special lens and while the RF 70-200 is certainly great, it’s NOT a 135L. I also just like the size/weight of the 135 a lot. Hopefully the new model isn’t too large/heavy. Canon seems to be either going with designs that are surprisingly small…or surprisingly large. So it’s a roll of the dice. Haha

 

[mxwphoto]

I was more curious to get the RF 70-200 in my bag for what I do. At the time, I only had space in my bag to choose my 100-400 or my 70-200. But with the newer, smaller design, I could pack the both of the lenses. However, after selling the EF 135 and 70-200, I started to realize that missed having the 135L a lot…it was a very special lens and while the RF 70-200 is certainly great, it’s NOT a 135L. I also just like the size/weight of the 135 a lot. Hopefully the new model isn’t too large/heavy. Canon seems to be either going with designs that are surprisingly small…or surprisingly large. So it’s a roll of the dice. Haha

My money is on 1kg weight thereabout, which would be a 25-30% weight increase over the old lens. That said, with adapter on EF it becomes more of a 20% increase. 82mm thread front to match the RF 85mm 1.2.

 

[scyrene]

Shooting in crop mode means you get a smaller image (less megapixels). If you want/need a high megapixel image, you then have to use a program such as Topaz Gigapixel, which uses advanced interpolation methods to create "false detail" and fill in the "missing" data.

A "digital teleconverter" would produce a full frame image. Conventional interpolation methods result in "false detail" and artefacts such as "jaggies". It's possible that Canon could be using advanced in-camera software similar to Gigapixel, which might produce sharper and more detailed results than those obtained by optical converters. Only time will tell.

Every previous time some mysterious phrase was included in a rumour, which sent people into rapturous speculation, it turned out to be mundane. Much as I would love some amazing novel feature, I absolutely don't think that's what this will be. (I prefer the suggestion of using IBIS to move the sensor and get extra resolution by oversampling(?), the way other manufacturers do, which is then cropped, to your interpolation idea, fwiw).

 

[Jethro]

But if that's the case, and it's simply a firmware thing, why two models at different price points? I suppose they did that with the 5DIV and 5DIV with c-log upgrade, but that seemed more like a product correction not a here's an model variant to buy. I

I'm not sure it's really a different model - it may just be shipping with a different specialised version of firmware?

 

[RexxReviews]

Not sure why y'all are expecting a stacked sensor in the first place. The R6 is Canon's two thousand something dollar full frame camera. It's main competition is the a7iv and the Z6ii (iii). They are not going to look too dissimilar from each other i.e. not stacked sensor.

Full frame stacked sensors is a premium feature. The only way a full frame stacked sensor will make it's way down the product lineup is when there's a new tech at the top becoming the new premium feature, making stacked sensors "old tech" and then moving downwards to the lower tier bodies.

Dude that's how the people on these boards are, they always want or think the cheapest cameras will be getting the highest end features. LOL

 

[amfoto1]

Is it from old 6D2 or Rp?

No, those both used a 26MP sensor.

 

[entoman]

Digital teleconverter simply means a 1.6x or 1.8x crop at 4K resolution video or something similar. Don't expect anything fancy or more than that. Similar feature is in many consumer Canon cameras.

I can't see Canon lifting a low quality digital teleconverter from a Powershot and dropping the software into a professional body. I'm expecting something more "fancy" and capable in the R6 Mkii.

 

[jam05]

$2500 is a pretty good deal but there's no way it'll be a stacked sensor now.

$2500 is the exact price it should be with a stacked sensor. It shouldnt be overpriced. Stacked sensors are a easy to manufacture and they require less anciliary comonents

 

[vignes]

I think this is the R6 Canon supposed to release initially but they rushed the R6 I with 1DX III sensor to provide a quick answer to the market demand. the 1DX III sensor tech is dated, was designed for DSLR and most likely not costly as R5 sensor. Just because the sensor was in a flagship DSLR doesn't mean it's 'expensive'.
the R5 sensor is built from the ground-up for Mirrorless and has faster readout than R6/1DX III sensor.
The R6 II sensor would be the same i.e. faster readout than R5 but not R3 (stacked sensor). it'll have minimal rolling shutter effect and that's probably one of the reason maybe some R6 II tester felt that it was stacked sensor.

My Guess (just guessing)...line is looking like:
24Mpx line: R6 II enthusiast and R3 pro line (stacked sensor)
45-50Mpx line: R5 pro/enthusiast and R1 pro line (stacked sensor with QPAF, 9M EVF, open gate, 8K 60p or even a short 8K 120P, stills FPS with 60 fps with AE/AF - RAW, higher w/o AE/AF etc.)

we may get a 30-40Mpx camera with stacked sensor in compact/modular form factor but priced between R5 and R3.

 

[KT]

$2500 is a pretty good deal but there's no way it'll be a stacked sensor now.

I was hoping for poor man's R3 with the same stacked sensor, but minus the eye-controlled AF and crazy FPS rate, at half price. Now that sounds a bit wishful thinking now.

It'll probably still be a good camera but not what I was hoping for and will be hard to justify if you owned either the R6 or R5.

 

[jam05]

Not with FF sensor

The Canon EOS R5 was released nearly $1000 below the 1DX series flagship with nearly a decade of technology advancements

 

[Aussie shooter]

I don't get why so many people are convinced it can't be the stacked sensor from the R3. Surely once the development of the sensor is done it is cheaper for canon to use it as many times as possible as opposed to developing a new sensor that isn't stacked just for a cheaper camera.

 

[jam05]

Not sure why y'all are expecting a stacked sensor in the first place. The R6 is Canon's two thousand something dollar full frame camera. It's main competition is the a7iv and the Z6ii (iii). They are not going to look too dissimilar from each other i.e. not stacked sensor.

Full frame stacked sensors is a premium feature. The only way a full frame stacked sensor will make it's way down the product lineup is when there's a new tech at the top becoming the new premium feature, making stacked sensors "old tech" and then moving downwards to the l

Not sure why y'all are expecting a stacked sensor in the first place. The R6 is Canon's two thousand something dollar full frame camera. It's main competition is the a7iv and the Z6ii (iii). They are not going to look too dissimilar from each other i.e. not stacked sensor.

Full frame stacked sensors is a premium feature. The only way a full frame stacked sensor will make it's way down the product lineup is when there's a new tech at the top becoming the new premium feature, making stacked sensors "old tech" and then moving downwards to

And those are all overpriced for the hardware internals inside. Mediocre tech and firmware.

 

[Chig]

Well if the R6mk2 has a 24mp sensor then Canon have 2 options:
Create a entirely new sensor with all the associated cost such as design, testing, fabrication, firmware development and setting up a new production line. A process that would cost millions and take many months if not years.
Or:
Just use the existing 24mp R3 sensor which has almost no upfront costs other than to expand the capacity of an existing production line. This also cuts development time massively. Then just limit features in firmware.

In pretty sure Canon would just go for option B

The R6 has an identical sensor to Canon's flagship 1DXiii so using the R3 sensor for the R6ii isn't out of the question and would make the R6ii much more competitive . Once the sensor is developed then the production costs may well be not much higher than FSI non stacked.
Perhaps Canon plan to use BSI stacked sensors on all their mid to high end bodies from now on ?

 

[antonio_s]

The price for the 135mm is better than I would have expected. Probably will not part with my Sigma but looks like a competitive option vs. other systems and I like the 135mm focal length.

Wonder what the R5ii will bring. I am quite happy with the R5, though.

 

[Unchecked]

I was hoping for poor man's R3 with the same stacked sensor, but minus the eye-controlled AF and crazy FPS rate, at half price. Now that sounds a bit wishful thinking now.

It'll probably still be a good camera but not what I was hoping for and will be hard to justify if you owned either the R6 or R5.

The thing is at $6k, the R3 is way overpriced to begin with. What they really should have done in the beginning and should do next is drop it down to the a9ii's price point of $4,500.

If and when Nikon releases a Z8 that competes against the R3 and a9ii, it'll probably be around that $4k~$5k price range, and maybe only then will it force Canon to rethink it's R3 pricing strategy.

 

[Uneternal]

This is such a weird move, to lauch it at the same price like the R6. I bet it'll make a lot of people mad who bought the original R6 right now or a few months ago.
I seems to me like a rushed move to have a more competitive model against the Sony A7IV. So who knows, there might even be the same sensor like in the R3, because they didn't have enough time to develop something new.

 

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Will be interesting to get my mitts on the 135mm f/1.8. Can compare it to my Sigma and a friend's old f/2 Canon. Pricing it at $2k is a bit better than I expected. That's only 50 percent more than the Sigma. My guess is that the image quality will be about the same, but the Canon will be lighter and perhaps sync better with in-body stabilization. If it gets 8 stops of total stabilization, like the 28-70 f/2, then I'd upgrade from the Sigma. As it is, the Sigma is a like a new lens for me now that Canon caught up with IBIS.