"weather sealed" != "impervious to salt water"

Don Haines said:
When mounting electronics on the frigates and trying to get a "weatherproof connection".......

Step 1 - ONLY use very high quality mil-standard circular connectors as everything else leaks.....
Step 2 - use heat shrink tubing over top of the connector.....
step 3 - generously coat the works with silicone seal....
step 4 - hope that it is good enough.... and re-apply the silicone regularly.....

When Canon (or Nikon) comes up with a more weatherproof way to join the lens to the body than that, only then will I believe that the junction is "weatherproof".... and on a lens with an extending element when you zoom it, what part of "air pump" do you not understand? ? ?

That doesn't really explain the Nikonos series of interchangeable lens waterproof cameras, or the AW1, or indeed the RS, a true waterproof interchangeable lens SLR.
 
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IgotGASbadDude said:
Don Haines said:
IgotGASbadDude said:
chromophore said:
A large canister of silica gel put in an airtight, evacuated container with the camera, taking it out and heating it to 325 F to recharge it every 24 hours

I'm not sure taking a camera out of "a large canister of silica gel", then "heating it to 325 F to recharge it every 24 hours" is such a good idea. ::) ;) ::)

I'd personally prefer to keep my cameras out of ovens, but that's just me. ;) ::) ;)
You take the camera out of the silica, then bake the silica to dry it out again, then put the camera back in the silica.... you don't bake the silica with the camera in it.

Someone needs to get his sarcasm meter checked ;)

Did you really miss the 6 winky faces and rolly eyes? Those were supposed to tell you I was being sarcastic.

An besides, we all know you put the camera in the oven at 350 F. 325 F isn't hot enough to dry the moisture. ???
DOH!!!!!!!

Good thing I didn't go with my first response, which was to add 2 cups of flour, 1/2 cup of icing sugar, 1 cup of butter, and 1/4 tsp of salt, cut out to the shape of little cameras, and place in the oven with your camera at 325 degrees for 22 minutes so that the exercise will not be a total loss :) On second thought, that would have been better.....
 
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privatebydesign said:
Don Haines said:
When mounting electronics on the frigates and trying to get a "weatherproof connection".......

Step 1 - ONLY use very high quality mil-standard circular connectors as everything else leaks.....
Step 2 - use heat shrink tubing over top of the connector.....
step 3 - generously coat the works with silicone seal....
step 4 - hope that it is good enough.... and re-apply the silicone regularly.....

When Canon (or Nikon) comes up with a more weatherproof way to join the lens to the body than that, only then will I believe that the junction is "weatherproof".... and on a lens with an extending element when you zoom it, what part of "air pump" do you not understand? ? ?

That doesn't really explain the Nikonos series of interchangeable lens waterproof cameras, or the AW1, or indeed the RS, a true waterproof interchangeable lens SLR.
I knew someone would say that :)

I used to have a Nikonos IV. What a fantastic camera! Should never have let it get away from me....
 
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Putting your camera or any other electronic components in a dessicant to try and get rid of salt water is just a waste of time.
You HAVE to get rid of the salt, otherwise corrosion will not be stopped.

If your camera or phone etc has has a good dunking in salt water, you need to wash it out with demineralised water, then take it apart and gently wipe dry with tissues or a soft cloth and leave to air dry.

If you don't wash out the salt, no amount of dessicant will help.

The salt will start oxidising all the connections on the circuit boards within minutes, so fast action is required.
 
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Maiaibing said:
chromophore said:
Just because I don't go into every single excruciating detail about how to properly select and use rechargeable silica gel doesn't mean there isn't a way to use it effectively and simply, or that I'm ignorant of its proper usage.

Maybe. But you surely made us sit guessing with your "advice".

The only person that was left guessing was you. Don't presume that just because you are ignorant, that everyone else must be as well.
 
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Bennymiata said:
Putting your camera or any other electronic components in a dessicant to try and get rid of salt water is just a waste of time.
You HAVE to get rid of the salt, otherwise corrosion will not be stopped.

If your camera or phone etc has has a good dunking in salt water, you need to wash it out with demineralised water, then take it apart and gently wipe dry with tissues or a soft cloth and leave to air dry.

If you don't wash out the salt, no amount of dessicant will help.

The salt will start oxidising all the connections on the circuit boards within minutes, so fast action is required.

Exactly, which is why that guy's attempts at salvaging his gear was so obviously futile. Salt water is death to cameras and other electronics.
 
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Valvebounce said:
Hi Folks.
This guy is obviously an idiot, but the most important thing I learned from this article is he is the kind of idiot willing to risk not only his life, he also risks the lives of those in the rescue services who might feel compelled to go looking for him when he is washed off by the waves. The rescuers won't hesitate or question if he was stupid, they will just go!
This is a fact that happens, it has happened at least twice near me that I know within a year or so.

quotes
"a few full immersions in sea water from 6 meter high waves,"
"Later when working there I would be fully submerged in giant waves spilling over all the way past the lighthouse stucture."
Just to post a bit on topic, does it have an IP xx rating, if not, it is not weather (or anything) proof!
Be safe folks.

Cheers, Graham.
There is a very popular tourist destination back home where the people like to go wandering around over the rocks. A couple of times a year the waves pick one off of the rocks and usually then it's game over. Rescuers will not jump in after them as that's just a fancy way to commit suicide... The signs tell them to stay off of the dark rocks and during storms the police block access to the site, but they keep getting picked off. People have no idea how powerful waves can be, nor do they understand how a rogue wave can come out of nowhere.

No photo is worth your life.
 
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Hi Don.
The unfortunate souls locally were walking along the seafront, one walking the dog, I believe another was a tourist watching the sea, it is unlikely anyone jumps in after them here either, but the lifeboat will be launched to attempt a rescue or at least recover the body which is how it usually ends.

Cheers, Graham.

Don Haines said:
Valvebounce said:
Hi Folks.
This guy is obviously an idiot, but the most important thing I learned from this article is he is the kind of idiot willing to risk not only his life, he also risks the lives of those in the rescue services who might feel compelled to go looking for him when he is washed off by the waves. The rescuers won't hesitate or question if he was stupid, they will just go!
This is a fact that happens, it has happened at least twice near me that I know within a year or so.

quotes
"a few full immersions in sea water from 6 meter high waves,"
"Later when working there I would be fully submerged in giant waves spilling over all the way past the lighthouse stucture."
Just to post a bit on topic, does it have an IP xx rating, if not, it is not weather (or anything) proof!
Be safe folks.

Cheers, Graham.
There is a very popular tourist destination back home where the people like to go wandering around over the rocks. A couple of times a year the waves pick one off of the rocks and usually then it's game over. Rescuers will not jump in after them as that's just a fancy way to commit suicide... The signs tell them to stay off of the dark rocks and during storms the police block access to the site, but they keep getting picked off. People have no idea how powerful waves can be, nor do they understand how a rogue wave can come out of nowhere.

No photo is worth your life.
 
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I read this with interest as I live in Florida and while we don't have the giant rocks for surf to pound on, we do get some pretty interesting weather from time to time. There are a couple of old limestone/reef "outcroppings" on the east coast that can provide some wave/spray/wind shots every so often - nothing huge.

None the less, there are times when I take my gear into the weather. I don't expect my precautions to create a water proof design, it is all about getting the pressure of the water to be minimal when it comes into contact w/ my gear.

I use 2 gallon ziplock bags. Cut a corner just a bit smaller than the lens barrel, stick the lens through band with a couple of strong rubber bands and with a larger elastic strap around my wrist - or tripod head - I am off and going.

Clumsy - you bet, small portable light, yep. I carry 3 bags, etc in my bag at all times - takes tiny space and is there when I need it.

TTFN
 
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rfdesigner said:
Don Haines said:
....well, ok...., can't take a second selfie......

Lol.. really!

I've used disposable film cameras when I was really concerned in the past.. no electronics, nothing really to go wrong.
I went to a camera show a few years ago and the most impressive thing I saw was the Olympus booth where they had a big aquarium set up and a bunch of their P/S cameras sitting on the bottom with the fish swimming around them..... They let you take underwater pictures of the fish with them..... Just reach in, grab a camera from the bottom, and shoot away. it really made the point......
 
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Hi Busted Knuckles.
I sort of get the did it myself attitude, however why struggle with compromised access when you can get something like this,
http://www.amazon.com/OP-TECH-USA-Rainsleeve-18-Inch/dp/B000PTFDYO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1454869180&sr=1-1&keywords=optech+rainsleeve
Cheap enough to have just in case, easy enough to fit quickly, allow access through the downwards facing portal, come in smaller size and one suitable for a flash too.

Cheers, Graham.

Busted Knuckles said:
I read this with interest as I live in Florida and while we don't have the giant rocks for surf to pound on, we do get some pretty interesting weather from time to time. There are a couple of old limestone/reef "outcroppings" on the east coast that can provide some wave/spray/wind shots every so often - nothing huge.

None the less, there are times when I take my gear into the weather. I don't expect my precautions to create a water proof design, it is all about getting the pressure of the water to be minimal when it comes into contact w/ my gear.

I use 2 gallon ziplock bags. Cut a corner just a bit smaller than the lens barrel, stick the lens through band with a couple of strong rubber bands and with a larger elastic strap around my wrist - or tripod head - I am off and going.

Clumsy - you bet, small portable light, yep. I carry 3 bags, etc in my bag at all times - takes tiny space and is there when I need it.

TTFN
 
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AcutancePhotography said:
Unfortunately, unless you have an IP certification, weather sealing and weather sealed mean only what the marketing department wants it to mean.

A weather sealed camera will resist the effects of weather up to the point it doesn't.

agreed, I would suggest good cameras are currently approaching IP54, but not yet meeting it.

I would argue we really want IP65.
 
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chromophore said:
Maiaibing said:
chromophore said:
Don't presume that just because you are ignorant, that everyone else must be as well.

Nothing to add here. Everyone can read your advice above on the drying temperature and draw their own conclusion on who is "ignorant" about the proper use of silicon gel.

"Silicon gel" LOL. Keep digging yourself deeper, troll.
I thought one got Silicon Gel from plastic surgeons in California..... :)
 
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Don Haines said:
chromophore said:
Maiaibing said:
chromophore said:
Don't presume that just because you are ignorant, that everyone else must be as well.

Nothing to add here. Everyone can read your advice above on the drying temperature and draw their own conclusion on who is "ignorant" about the proper use of silicon gel.

"Silicon gel" LOL. Keep digging yourself deeper, troll.
I thought one got Silicon Gel from plastic surgeons in California..... :)

That was before. Now they're "Mmmmm-salty!"
 
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