What do you think will be the Shelf life of the EOS 6D ?

[Marsu42]

I will be surprised.

Are you surprised?

Did you set a reminder on your smartphone not to forget to post this for CarlTN ? Btw I'm sure the 6d will drop even further, the whole build quality and specs are meant for cheaper production - since Canon cannot compete in the aps-c sensor segment, at least they'll have a cheapish ff camera with one af point.

 

[unfocused]

...since Canon cannot compete in the aps-c sensor segment, at least they'll have a cheapish ff camera with one af point.

I'm guessing that was supposed to be a joke. Amazon best selling DSLRs as of a few minutes ago:
No. 1-2 Canon APS-C Sensor
No. 3 6D
No. 4 5DIII (This is truly incredible, since it's about $2,000-$2,500 more expensive than the typical camera in the top 10)
No. 5-6 Nikon APS-C Sensor
No. 7-9 Canon APS-C Sensor
No. 10 - Nikon APS-C Sensor

So, five of the top 10 are Canon APS-C sensor cameras. I would say they seem to be able to compete pretty well.

 

[Loswr]

Did you set a reminder on your smartphone not to forget to post this for CarlTN ?

Just a good memory and the ability to use the forum's search functionality.

since Canon cannot compete in the aps-c sensor segment, at least they'll have a cheapish ff camera with one af point.

Define compete. If you're not Mikael or DxOMark, Canon not only competes in the APS-C market, they lead it.

 

[Marsu42]

Define compete.

Compete in the sense that Canon has an aps-c camera with similar aim like the 6d - high iq stills shooting (Canon divides their aps-segment into low-end, video and wildlift/sports). if I'd want to buy an aps-camera for that my current choice wouldn't be Canon - ignoring lenses/flashes, brand attachment and Magic Lantern.

Btw I'm often using Magic Lantern's new dual_iso feature to get over 14 stops dr from the 6D at low iso, I have to admit I'm envious of Nikon that they can do this without any tricks, you can shoot straight into the non-noon sun and still recover the backlit shadows (a little fill flash helps though)... it doesn't need a fanatic to see this is very handy for some :-o

 

[Ruined]

Given the now furious competition in this price bracket I wouldn't be surprised if the 6D was replaced in 2014.

 

[Janbo Makimbo]

Not while it stills sells at the rate it does!

 

[Sporgon]

About the same as the original 5D - people will still be taking great images with it eight years from now

 

[pedro]

I would guess that the refresh cycle of most of Canon's non-rebel bodies will be determined more by when they release the new 0.18um process sensors rather than historical timelines. Presumably, the first will be released in the 7Dll. I can't imagine that a FF version would be too far behind. Since there have been rumors of some new EOS bodies being released in the near future, who knows which cameras will get the updated sensors first.

Disclaimer: Keep in mind that I have no idea of what I'm talking about...

+1

 

[TAF]

I was wondering if you could give your opinion on that? ???

While I realize the OP is talking about the marketing lifecycle, I am curious about the real shelf-life of the product.

Since the move to RoHS in electronics, I am seeing more and more devices fail for no apparent reason - some of which have literally just sat on the shelf. So this begs the question: has anyone experienced any hardware failures in older cameras, or worse in more recent ones, that cannot be explained by external issues?

I have a Rollei TLR that is over 80 years old, and it takes marvelous photos. Will my 5D3 still be functional in 10 years, never mind 80?

Thoughts on that?

 

[Zv]

I was wondering if you could give your opinion on that? ???

While I realize the OP is talking about the marketing lifecycle, I am curious about the real shelf-life of the product.

Since the move to RoHS in electronics, I am seeing more and more devices fail for no apparent reason - some of which have literally just sat on the shelf. So this begs the question: has anyone experienced any hardware failures in older cameras, or worse in more recent ones, that cannot be explained by external issues?

I have a Rollei TLR that is over 80 years old, and it takes marvelous photos. Will my 5D3 still be functional in 10 years, never mind 80?

Thoughts on that?

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid. Recently all the stuff we buy is so poorly made I wonder if it's on purpose. We pay more for crap. What gives? We had a microwave oven that lasted over 15 years. Still worked fine but we "upgraded". The new one lasted about a year and a half.

And it's not just ovens. Things just seem to fall apart easier. My iPad case is crumbling like a shortbread biscuit in hot tea. I need new earphones every few months.

However, I've not had any Canon related failures. Even my Yongnuo flash took a fall and survived without a scratch. Can't see a 6D breaking down that easily as even the rebels have a long lifespan. My guess is 10 years at least with moderate use.

 

[Marsu42]

Given the now furious competition in this price bracket I wouldn't be surprised if the 6D was replaced in 2014.

I doubt it, because the specs of the 6d aren't targeted at the competition, but at the 5d3. The 6d2 is bound to have a better af system (Canon doesn't have a new sensor, so what else would go into the 6d2?)...

... but combined with some 5d3 price drop and an at first higher priced 6d2 (vs 6d1) this would screw up Canon's carefully engineered product lineup. My bet is 5d4 in q4/2014 or h1/2015, then 6d2 in h2/2015.

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid. Recently all the stuff we buy is so poorly made I wonder if it's on purpose.

Planned Obsolescence is a sad fact of electronics, but with dslrs you don't need to build crappy cameras to sell new ones because everyone will want the latest sensor anyway.

As for 5d2 vs 6d, I wouldn't be so sure, the 5d2 feels more clunky alright but that doesn't mean much - we'll only know about the life span of the 6d shutter and buttons in some years. In the main area of concern "sealing" both 5d2 or 6d are rather mediocre and should be about equal.

 

[Sporgon]

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid.

I just don't understand this 'the 6D is more flimsy than the 5D II' nonsense on the web. I presume it stems from the fact the 6D has a polymer top plate, is smaller, lighter and is 'entry level'.

I have both and the accusation is nonsense. You just can't tell the difference in the top plate. I would put them both on the same level. In fact it is my guess that the 6D uses a lot of parts from the 5D mkII. They both have a plastic LCD cover as opposed to the toughened glass on the 5DIII and 7D etc etc. The 5D III is definitely a couple of steps up in construction from the II.

The 6D had had a few 'crippling' features to separate it; no LCD auto brightness for instance, but construction wise - they're the same.

 

[Zv]

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid.

I just don't understand this 'the 6D is more flimsy than the 5D II' nonsense on the web. I presume it stems from the fact the 6D has a polymer top plate, is smaller, lighter and is 'entry level'.

I have both and the accusation is nonsense. You just can't tell the difference in the top plate. I would put them both on the same level. In fact it is my guess that the 6D uses a lot of parts from the 5D mkII. They both have a plastic LCD cover as opposed to the toughened glass on the 5DIII and 7D etc etc. The 5D III is definitely a couple of steps up in construction from the II.

The 6D had had a few 'crippling' features to separate it; no LCD auto brightness for instance, but construction wise - they're the same.

I dunno, if I were to bash someone over the head with my 5D it would likely come out on top, I just wouldn't feel as confident weilding a 6D! ;D

Also - i never used the word flimsy. I said not as robust. And I wrapped up with .... Would last 10 years. None of that sounds flimsy.

 

[Marsu42]

I dunno, if I were to bash someone over the head with my 5D it would likely come out on top

True, also the 1d series or some lenses can be used as a self defense weapon - but what does this mean for normal usage?

Afaik a full metal body isn't less likely to break than a plastic one when dropped, it depends on the circumstance because plastic might bounce where metal might crack (or vice versa if there's a hard edge like a stone on the floor). One decisive difference is the plastic lcd screen, but you can easily fix this with a glass protector which might be a good idea anyway because it's cheap and easy to replace.

 

[Otara]

I broke the rear 6D LCD screen with my Ipad which I also broke. Its a cover rather than the actual screen so it still worked fine, just looked ugly.

It was about $100 to fix, for people who worry about doing that often a protector might be worthwhile, for me it was a relief to know if I somehow manage to repeat that level of bad luck/silliness, the cost is relatively minor anyway.

 

[Marsu42]

It was about $100 to fix [...] the cost is relatively minor anyway.

"relatively" ... it's 1/15th of the cameras value. Also $100 repair vs ~€3 for a glass protector (from ebay china), well, that made me order it.

 

[Sporgon]

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid.

I just don't understand this 'the 6D is more flimsy than the 5D II' nonsense on the web. I presume it stems from the fact the 6D has a polymer top plate, is smaller, lighter and is 'entry level'.

I have both and the accusation is nonsense. You just can't tell the difference in the top plate. I would put them both on the same level. In fact it is my guess that the 6D uses a lot of parts from the 5D mkII. They both have a plastic LCD cover as opposed to the toughened glass on the 5DIII and 7D etc etc. The 5D III is definitely a couple of steps up in construction from the II.

The 6D had had a few 'crippling' features to separate it; no LCD auto brightness for instance, but construction wise - they're the same.

I dunno, if I were to bash someone over the head with my 5D it would likely come out on top, I just wouldn't feel as confident weilding a 6D! ;D

Also - i never used the word flimsy. I said not as robust. And I wrapped up with .... Would last 10 years. None of that sounds flimsy.

I agree that the 5D would be more suitable for bashing someone over the head, but as I'm not from Scotland I don't see this as normal photographic technique. Also it would really screw up your camera's AF module.

I was using writer's license when using the word 'flimsy', and wasn't referring to your post alone. I think it is the fact that the 5D is larger that makes it feel different too.

 

[Zv]

Hmmm good point. I wonder as the 6D is more of a budget FF and not quite as robust as other models such as the 7D or 5D class. That was one reason I went with the 5D2. I'd rather have something solid.

I just don't understand this 'the 6D is more flimsy than the 5D II' nonsense on the web. I presume it stems from the fact the 6D has a polymer top plate, is smaller, lighter and is 'entry level'.

I have both and the accusation is nonsense. You just can't tell the difference in the top plate. I would put them both on the same level. In fact it is my guess that the 6D uses a lot of parts from the 5D mkII. They both have a plastic LCD cover as opposed to the toughened glass on the 5DIII and 7D etc etc. The 5D III is definitely a couple of steps up in construction from the II.

The 6D had had a few 'crippling' features to separate it; no LCD auto brightness for instance, but construction wise - they're the same.

I dunno, if I were to bash someone over the head with my 5D it would likely come out on top, I just wouldn't feel as confident weilding a 6D! ;D

Also - i never used the word flimsy. I said not as robust. And I wrapped up with .... Would last 10 years. None of that sounds flimsy.

I agree that the 5D would be more suitable for bashing someone over the head, but as I'm not from Scotland I don't see this as normal photographic technique. Also it would really screw up your camera's AF module.

I was using writer's license when using the word 'flimsy', and wasn't referring to your post alone. I think it is the fact that the 5D is larger that makes it feel different too.

;D ;D ;D

 

[CarlTN]

The solidity of the 6D is not an issue, it is very rigid and robust. There really is no major issue at all. If you like a camera body to feel heavy, that's fine...I don't...the 6D is more than heavy enough with any L lens on it. The analogy about the head-bashing photo technique does make sense, haha. What's amusing to me with a 5D2 comparison, is the 5D2 cost 50% more over most of its life than the 6D does...yet overall it was a less capable camera (at least for still images). And a 6D replacement, if or when that happens, will likely still sell for less than the 5D2 did for much of its run...yet hopefully have a bit more speed and better AF than the current 6D. But that's perhaps still 2 or 3 years away. I guess what I'm saying is, I see zero valid reason to buy a used 5D2 over a new or used 6D today...other than nostalgia. I barely miss the joystick of my 50D...and the rest of the ergonomics and feel, seem great to me. If you need more speed or features, the 5D3 is the other obvious choice (especially a used one)...not a 5D2. If you need a lot of resolution, then the D800E is just 5 feet behind you on the other side of the aisle. I suspect more of us would try one if the grip wasn't designed for the hands of those cloners on the other side of the Rishi Maze...

 

[Marsu42]

The solidity of the 6D is not an issue, it is very rigid and robust. There really is no major issue at all.

Not putting too fine a point on it: How could you tell? The 6d is not out long enough to evaluate its durability, but the specs cast a doubt on it (short shutter life, no 1/8000 shutter) plus it's only "amateur" cps silver in the EU vs. 5d2/5d3 "platinum" which might mean it's just marketing, but then again it might mean Canon really thinks the 6d will be broken more often.

I guess what I'm saying is, I see zero valid reason to buy a used 5D2 over a new or used 6D today...other than nostalgia.

Joystick is nice if your other camera bodies also have it (that's why I'm happy with my 60d & 6d) ... and for the 5d2 there's longer shutter life, 1/8000s shutter speed, 1/200 x-sync which are important/hard aspects and might make some people decide still for the 5d2.