Will you wait for Canon 6D MKII and 5D MK IV (2016 releases) ....?

[Maiaibing]

I'm finished waiting.

Contrary to some others here I am absolutely limited by my current 5DII's limited high iso range, the high iso noise and lack of dynamic range at high iso as well as regular intrusive shadow noise at lower iso's. I'd say I'm limited almost every time I go out the door. Not that I cannot get great shots. 5DII delivers IQ in spades. But that there are shots I do not even attempt because its not possible anyway. 5DIII offered nothing compelling to me so after 7 years of happy 5DII use its high time to see some real technical improvements. 2 1/2 stops of better high iso translates into ~90 min's extra shooting time - every day. I am amazed people do not feel limited by this alone. Better AF and a real speed boost (Nikon style) would also help me a lot.

If there's no 5DIV announcement this year (or its a joke of an "upgrade" like the 5DIII) my next camera will not be a Canon.

100%.

Lets see what happens next. I remain hopeful.

The new SONY has decided this for me. I simply do not see Canon fielding a 5DIV worth buying so I'm getting the new SONY in October (if the reviews confirm the hype).

At the same time I ordered a dirt cheap 6D (~1.050$) to replace/backup my old 5DII's. It was far too expensive at launch (2.200$), but at less than half of that its a great FF bargain - better than my old 5DII's except for a little less fps and only 1/4000 max shutter speed (slightly annoying).

For those waiting for the 6DII I would worry that the price will - again - be too high at lauinch. So you may be in for a very long wait.

Looking forward to getting the 6D - and the SONY...

 

[Loswr]

Price is the only reason to get the 6D2 over the A7rII.

That's a pretty asinine statement, even for you.

 

[leGreve]

I would urge all those who are curious about the Sony A7 or A7R (either versions I or II) to buy one or rent one and try it out. I have heard so much about this "incredible sensor" that I decided to see for myself and bought a Sony A7 II and a Fotodiox adapter. To make a long story short, the A7 II and the adapter were returned for a refund. The Canon 6D with its totally inferior sensor, took, in my opinion, the better pictures.

It is possible for those who shoot in extreme lighting conditions to be much happier with the Sony. I did take one pic indoors of light streaming in through a window. Pushing the indoor shadows resulted in a much cleaner image on the Sony. But under daylight conditions shooting landscape shots, there was either no discernible difference between the cameras, or the Canon took shots more to my liking. Granted, it is a personal opinion, but the 2 additional stops of DR in the Sony was either not noticeable, barely noticeable, or created photos with less contrast - a negative in my opinion. I took some sunset photos hoping those 2 stops more DR would help, but the 2 stops was not noticeable at all as it would have taken many more stops of DR to capture the difference in light and dark under those conditions. All in all, I preferred the color of the Canon, and the greater contrast gave me pics with more punch. The Sony, whether because of the greater DR or because of a different tone curve, gave me pics that seemed more washed out and with less contrast.

I bought a Fotodiox adapter that did not give me autofocus on my older Canon lens. Most of the adapters will not give AF on Canon lenses older than 2006, although there seems to be some hit and miss concerning AF and which lenses actual work. The exposure was OK, but not as good or reliable as on the Canon. If you enjoy manual focus and using focus peaking, then this a better option than the Sony kit lens. I actually tried two versions of the kit lens and they were both very soft away from the center.

So, not only am I much more satisfied with my 6D, I doubt I will be upgrading any time soon.

There's no reason to think that a lot of these issues havent been adressed by now.........

But yes people, by all means try it out first.

And stop pixel hugging. How many of you will actually have the use for the large pixel count of the Canon?
Even in our high-end photo studio, most of our end up as banners or in 1/3rd of a A4 page. Who the ****** needs high pixel count for that........

 

[pwp]

Of course I'll wait (for the 5D MkIV). It won't take long. Look how fast the last six months has gone. We'll be there in 30 seconds less than no time. And in the meantime, my excellent high mileage 5D MkIII & even higher mileage 1D MkIV are motoring along just fine. If the 5D MkIV ticks enough boxes I imagine I'll get two.

-pw

 

[dolina]

The 5D4 is a want and not a need. 2016 is but 6 months away.

 

[dolina]

Every birder that needs to crop the bird in the middle of the picture will benefit from the extra megapixels.

And if sporgon is saying that the extra DR benefits sports more than landscape then it is a good chance that the extra DR from the A7rII will also benefit birders. That plus the extra megapixels will make it a superb birding camera.

I gotta agree with the wildlife angle and not to mention the price of the body indicates to what print requirement 50.6MP is needed for.

Namely high end application.

 

[Random Orbits]

...
And stop pixel hugging. How many of you will actually have the use for the large pixel count of the Canon?
Even in our high-end photo studio, most of our end up as banners or in 1/3rd of a A4 page. Who the ****** needs high pixel count for that........

Every birder that needs to crop the bird in the middle of the picture will benefit from the extra megapixels.

And if sporgon is saying that the extra DR benefits sports more than landscape then it is a good chance that the extra DR from the A7rII will also benefit birders. That plus the extra megapixels will make it a superb birding camera.

And what lenses would you use for birding with a A7R2?

 

[Loswr]

And what lenses would you use for birding with a A7R2?

Any Canon lens. Some dude who held the a7RII for 10 seconds at a trade show said it focuses as fast as a native Canon body. It must be true.

 

[distant.star]

Price is the only reason to get the 6D2 over the A7rII.

That's a pretty asinine statement, even for you.

Dilbert, my commendation to you for using restraint and cunning to show the true nature of quite a few folks on this forum. Well done!

 

[Loswr]

Price is the only reason to get the 6D2 over the A7rII.

That's a pretty asinine statement, even for you.

Dilbert, my commendation to you for using restraint and cunning to show the true nature of quite a few folks on this forum. Well done!

as·i·nine ˈasəˌnīn/ adjective: extremely stupid or foolish

Would you care to share a better adjective to describe the statement, "Price is the only reason to get the 6D2 over the A7rII?"

Do you, perhaps, agree that there are truly no reasons other than cost to choose a camera which hasn't been launched yet over a camera which hasn't even been announced, for which the specifications and performance are completely unknown? No reasons at all?

Or perhaps you are referring the suggestion that dilbert makes such statements often. Is it cogent and correct to state that Canon does not offer a 4K dSLR, then when the 1D C's existence is mentioned, to suggest that it isn't really a dSLR?

Alternatively, perhaps you're having difficulty distinguishing between a reference to what a person states, vs. a remark about the person themselves. Perhaps you might reread my post characterizing dilbert's statement and contrast it with this remark:

unless you desperately need a 5Ds, you'd be an idiot to buy one now - wait for the price to drop and drop significantly.

Regardless, I hope dilbert appreciates your defense of a completely indefensible statement. If you'd care to equally defend all the folks who preordered a 5Ds and have just been called idiots by dilbert, be my guest.

In any case, well done! :

 

[super_newbie_pro]

Finally not, i will not wait a 6D MK II. If the mk1 was at 1099$ on CANONusa store (promotion), we can find it in Europe for 1150€ with priceminister (product send from England and come from HK). The new MKII will be 2x more expensive. For the difference, we can buy 70-200 F4 L (550€) + 28mm F2.8 IS USM + 40mm F2.8 STM ... When we are the vast majority of Consumers with only a small budget, i think the choice is fast.

 

[Loswr]

...

unless you desperately need a 5Ds, you'd be an idiot to buy one now - wait for the price to drop and drop significantly.

Regardless, I hope dilbert appreciates your defense of a completely indefensible statement. If you'd care to equally defend all the folks who preordered a 5Ds and have just been called idiots by dilbert, be my guest.

Comments such as "You'd have to be an idiot to buy/not-buy ..." are frequent in advertising media. "You'd have to be an idiot not to buy this latest blah blah..."

Apparently you think that makes it an acceptable statement in this context. Perhaps Eldar and others would disagree.

 

[bdunbar79]

Another ironic statement by dilbert.

 

[unfocused]

Another ironic statement by dilbert.

I don't know. I think Dilbert knows more about being an idiot that almost anyone else on this forum.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Say that I have a bunch of Canon expensive lenses, and between now and then 2016, what if Sony develops a newer FF camera like the rumor A7r II ( higher ISO, quieter,speedier autofocus plus 5-axis stabilization) and MetabXXX comes up with improved faster focusing electronic adapter for Canon lenses,

NAILED IT!

HAH this should have been CR3!

 

[super_newbie_pro]

Good new for SONY and bad new for Canon (body division) ==> http://thenewcamera.com/sony-a7r-ii-doing-blazing-fast-af-with-canon-lenses-2/

 

[Ozarker]

Yes i will wait for the 5div because it is a better landscape camera compared to the 5dsr. Even the older 5diii ik is a better landscape camera. I can't take images like this with the 5dsr because that camera produces far too much noise at higher ISO's. This one is taken at 6400 ISO to catch the beams of the lighthouse. The 5dsr will never be able to do that without producing too much noise.

Fantastic photo!

 

[Maiaibing]

And stop pixel hugging. How many of you will actually have the use for the large pixel count of the Canon?
Even in our high-end photo studio, most of our end up as banners or in 1/3rd of a A4 page. Who the ****** needs high pixel count for that........

Even if your photographic experience limits your knowledge of the kind of pictures other people take, its a huge mistake to imagine that your needs covers the needs of everyone else.

I need massive amounts of megapixels. If I could get 100 - all the better.

Because I have to crop - a lot. And with wildlife you do not get to choose the distance to your subject and even 600mm may leave you too far away for any decent picture. And I do not even take birds. Birders can probably use several 100's of MPIX. Many sports involve huge distances; surfing, F1, boat racing, kiting etc. etc. Anyone who shots this will know how useful more pixels can be.

So no mystery here - just ordinary people that need something else than you seem to do in your studio setting. I guess you don't see any reason for Canon to produce super tele lenses either?

 

[DarkMindedWorks]

I was reading the forum for quite a long time, although only now signed up. Here comes one long post. I am sharing my experience with jumping the trains of brands.

Now to the point:

I am completely blasted out by people who stand by canon and are ready to turn away from their families if they will go other way. Same goes to people who talk more about their beautiful transition from their dslr to mirrorless and their continuous talk about all that deeptsh*t on either mpx, or fps, or crop factor, or log vs raw or any damn thing. Heats me up sometimes to quit the conversation. More you think and more you talk about, more shots you miss and less you actually know and can do on the field, studio or anywhere it happens you like to use your dslr for whatever reason bumped in your head.

I have a very wide spectrum of jobs to do. It is from sports to portraits, to wildlife, to landscapes and video. Sometimes it is my choice, sometimes it is my job. Someone pushed my brain out of my skull and I rented out a7s and a7ii to see what will happen as I'm shooting video with atomos ninja2 mixed with portraits and whatever comes my way. Well, prices for adaptors alone just made me think twice on this shady deal... But I thought I have 2 weeks, 2 cameras and one adaptor, so let me dig it in, in the end of the day strongest love in your life happens to be with the individual you hate the most, perhaps...

At the time I had 5d3 and 7d2 for all my work and they worked pretty good but I had my own issues with 5d3 being slow pedestrian as I stepped in some senses down, in others up, but from 1d4 a while ago. Mushy video that feels more like upscaled 720P was doing my head in, plus shooting some gigs I grasped in-between dilemma: 7d2 couldn't make it any good past 10000 iso and I needed it, but 5d3 was slow as heck in every direction. In the end 7d2 and heavy edit made it happen and everyone was happy, but 5d3 was under consideration.

So these two sony full frame mirrorless are pretty good I must say. Menues and general usage, feel of the camera etc is very hard to deal after you've spent most of your time with actual dslr and their logic. Jumping to nikon was way much easier for me, but that's a different story. Talking about DR it is a tat better sometimes somwhere in the testing environment. OOOOOH how people with grey cards in their little room get my head in... Not shooting anything but their keyboard with perfect exposure and WB... Basically it is a difference most noticeable in this kind of environment.

For video a7s shines but in terms of detail and iso performance it is better at a cost of constantly changing batteries. Pretty impractical unless you are always near the plug. For pictures 12mpx is not enough at all, how damn clean this picture would be, it is just does not retain enough information. Feels like we are backed up quite a good few years. A7ii is good but quite similar to 5d3 in loads of aspects, it's just hard for me to throw out of the window superior focusing system, extremely good and native and logical interface, very good feel in my hand and collection of native lenses just for few mpx more and possibilities that I do not need and can't use. I did eventually but my decision was a bit different.

Basically I didn't even bother taking them out on the gig I was shooting. Just... No. Filming some music was good and fun but I didn't have loads of batteries so most of the job my 7d2 and 5d3 did. Looking at sony lenses choices I feel like giving up on photography, maybe even life. I am not a sony hater by any means, but what there is on the market is extremely overrated towards the working environment. The logarithmic focusing wheel is a... Just made me swear while I tried to pull focus while shooting video. You are always hoping and jigging the wheel to get to the point and speed varies from time to time...!!! They are definitely on the right path and they are making bigger steps so far to make someone who has enough money invested into canon system to think on switching but in reality it is a bloody time to fix up this damn 5d3! Well...

I got really lucky with the price I sold my 5d3 and at the same time I found preowned 1dx in a very good condition. I ended up investing about 20% on top of what I got from my sale and I am glad I did what I did. Dirty bi*ch HDMI is not clean and it is a bit of a... But what I noticed is that 1dx is actually doing very good job on getting sharp enough and flat enough alli video to dig it in compared to what 5d3 did with apple pro res 4:2:2 and ninja. Anyway there was only 8 bit out with 5d3 if I am correct... It looked almost the same at least, just colour correction is slightly more aggressive able. So on video side 1dx actually does not disappoint me at all and gives much better low light performance compared to 5d3. It is not 1dc, but oh well oh well... Different story all the way in.

AF is spot on, there is nothing to say here really. I was impressed how good it performed in low light with AF. Where 7d2 would focus hunt a little bit, this one would bite the sh*t out and get the job done before I even realise that. 18mpx is not 22, but with a good glass it all works more than fine for what I do. Now there is 5ds out and it should be good, but if you need good high iso in real life working situation it was hard for me to find another match...

Well I steamed that off and hopefully someone could benefit or even disprove what I just said.

And thanks for the whole forum full of nice stuff that helped me out over the years I was shooting. Here was my first ever post.