Here are more Canon EOS R6 Specifications [CR2]

[privatebydesign]

20MP is lame though.

Tell that to 1DS III, 1DX, 1DX II, 1DX III, D5, D6, A9, and A9 II users.

 

[Joules]

Tell that to 1DS III, 1DX, 1DX II, 1DX III, D5, D6, A9, and A9 II users.

Or the huge number of people who used a Canon with the 18 MP sensor... found in such lame cameras as the original 7D. Oh yeah, the 7D II is 20 MP as well. And noby liked that camera . That's why Canon won't refresh it (RIP)

 

[peters]

I thought we are taking about different things, video is completely different to stills but I feel the same about 8K video.
4K is more than enough, and probably overkill for most things, 1080p should be fine for many, as long as it is as clean as possible, like a Canon C100, and lower-res clean RAW video looks better than higher-res compressed video, but they only offer that in video cameras for now.

I generaly agree, since even most hollywood productions are mostly mastered in 1080p and most cinemas are still only 2k. So 1080p is certainly enough, if its a good 1080p.
In the R5 I think the 4k 120fps mode is even more important than the 8k RAW mode. I think thats realy a big deal for commercial work, event dokus, weddings etc.
But also the 8k RAW can have its place. While its certainly only usable for very well planned and very short shots (given the crazy data rate that this resolution produces in RAW), I think it can be great. We do some architecture video-productions where an even cleaner image with better white-balance control and higher dynmic range is certainly welcome. Also I think it could be great for VFX heavy work, greenscreen, tracking etc. This are things that usualy benefit greatly from higher bitdepth and higher resolved images. This is usualy done with very big, heavy and pricey cinema cameras - but suddenly its open to users with a way cheaper camera. It can bring down total cost of production by quite a lot, since it can be operated basicaly by one person
I am excited to work with 8k RAW - but I am also a bit afraid of the amount of data and render speed. A proxy workflow is certainly the way to go :-D

 

[peters]

Tell that to 1DS III, 1DX, 1DX II, 1DX III, D5, D6, A9, and A9 II users.

Its allways the same discussion. 20mp have its place. But as you noted, these are only the high end sports cameras (super specialized tools) where super fast turnaround and upload times are crucial. For more general tools (which are used for imagephotos, fashion, products, weddings) a higher megapixel count is certainly an advantage in many many situations. Though certainly not the most important thing.

 

[basketballfreak6]

I am probably part of the minority in today's market but argh give me the R5 without the high end video specs and sell it for $1k cheaper and I am snapping one up.

If the R6 had higher res and joystick like the R5 I'd probably be willing to overlook the lack of top lcd and pick it up over the R5.

 

[peters]

Can you provide an actual real world same generation sensor support of that? I've never seen any.

I think sony a7s and a7r could be an example. Especialy in video mode the a7s was very astonishing when it comes to high ISO

 

[jam05]

This camera is gonna sell like crazy if those specs play out - oversampled, 10 bit 5k video is what most of us would love to see, along with the AF system and those crazy photo frame rates. Not to mention the fact that many people will probably prefer dual SD over CFexpress/SD like in the R5. The control dial on top in place of top down LCD is concerning, though.

with SD express on the horizon I def would not chose an express bus over an SD bus. The mere fact that its an express bus system and the SD slot eventually would hold an SD express card.

 

[mangobutter]

20MP is not lame. It's absolutely PREMIUM. Hell, 16MP would be more premium than 20MP. or even 12. I want every ounce of low light advantage I can get. Every. ounce. Glad to see Canon not going with the megapixel war with that camera. We need a low light war.

 

[padam]

I am excited to work with 8k RAW - but I am also a bit afraid of the amount of data and render speed. A proxy workflow is certainly the way to go :-D

But the fact that there is no slow motion RAW makes it more limiting than a 1DX III or C200 (but it is probably a very powerful second camera)
I am just excited to have a highly capable stills camera with a FF sensor, that probably has great IBIS, great grip, great EVF, great low-light, easy to use AF, good built-in picture profiles or not so difficult Log profile, good internal codecs, while not having a crop factor or lacking in frame rates.
And now we suddenly have two cameras that are able to offer that.
It's just simply what many people have been waiting for since the 5D Mark II, so what could be the catch...?

 

[mangobutter]

Also... since 2012 6D launch.. i rocked the 6D's 20 megapixels super hard with stunning images. 20MP is extreme overkill.

 

[jam05]

This camera is gonna sell like crazy if those specs play out - oversampled, 10 bit 5k video is what most of us would love to see, along with the AF system and those crazy photo frame rates. Not to mention the fact that many people will probably prefer dual SD over CFexpress/SD like in the R5. The control dial on top in place of top down LCD is concerning, though.

not going an SD bus over express bus. Express bus technology any day. SD cards have very slow write times and is where the bottleneck starts.

 

[peters]

But the fact that there is no slow motion RAW makes it more limiting than a 1DX III or C200 (but it is probably a very powerful second camera)
I am just excited to have a highly capable stills camera with a FF sensor, that probably has great IBIS, great EVF, great low-light, easy to use AF, good built-in picture profiles or not so difficult Log profile, good internal codecs, while not having a crop factor or lacking in frame rates.
And now we suddenly have two cameras that are able to offer that.
It's just simply what many people have been waiting for since the 5D Mark II, so what could be the catch...?

I also think that the R5 sounds INCREDIBLE perfect. The specs we know so far are nothing but incredible. And the overall package is also incredible great.
The only big and aweful problem I can think of right now is a heavy rolling shutter. Like on the 5D IV or even worse... this could be close to a dealbreaker... the rolling shutter is also the biggest problem of the 5D IV video mode (along many others). Its even worse than the insane crop factor it had...
But given the obviously very fast and powerfull sensor/CPU, and the reasonable imrpovement the 1DX III showed here, I think its reasonable to expect a way better rolling shutter in the R5 (at least in 4k 60) than the 5D IV had.

 

[navastronia]

I also think that the R5 sounds INCREDIBLE perfect. The specs we know so far are nothing but incredible. And the overall package is also incredible great.
The only big and aweful problem I can think of right now is a heavy rolling shutter. Like on the 5D IV or even worse... this could be close to a dealbreaker... the rolling shutter is also the biggest problem of the 5D IV video mode (along many others). Its even worse than the insane crop factor it had...
But given the obviously very fast and powerfull sensor/CPU, and the reasonable imrpovement the 1DX III showed here, I think its reasonable to expect a way better rolling shutter in the R5 (at least in 4k 60) than the 5D IV had.

If the 5R has bad rolling shutter, it will be heartbreaking. If a future 1R has bad rolling shutter, it will be tragic. If the 6R has bad rolling shutter, it will be hilarious, in the most schadenfreude type of way

 

[padam]

The only big and aweful problem I can think of right now is a heavy rolling shutter. Like on the 5D IV or even worse... this could be close to a dealbreaker... the rolling shutter is also the biggest problem of the 5D IV video mode (along many others). Its even worse than the insane crop factor it had...
But given the obviously very fast and powerfull sensor/CPU, and the reasonable imrpovement the 1DX III showed here, I think its reasonable to expect a way better rolling shutter in the R5 (at least in 4k 60) than the 5D IV had.

When shooting in 4k24p FF mode, the 1DX III rolling shutter is actually worse than the 5D IV, but fine in any other mode.
FF 4k50p (when the AF get disabled) it gets twice as fast, weirdly.
So I guess it could be bad in a few modes, but fine with the rest.

 

[Go Wild]

Sooo....who still thinks this is a 6DII entry level replacement body? No way with a 20MP sensor, dual card slots, and now 5K oversampled video is this a 6D replacement. The RP mark II will be the 6D replacement.

I still want to know if it will have a recording limit, will record video to both card slots at the same time, and if they will make an XLR module for it...other than that this body is exactly what I predicted it to be; a GH5, GH5s, S1, and maybe even an S1H killer for an incredible price. I don't even bother to mention the Sony A7S because IMO even the GH5 already beats that one.

Lets not forget, probably a reused 1DXIII sensor with IBIS which is the icing on the cake. For those that don't remember, here is my original predictions list:

R1 - 1DX Mirrorless Replacement
R5 - 5D Replacement
R5S - 5DS Replacement
R6 - Video focused body but with less resolution to protect the R5
R8 - Entry level FF Canon Mirrorless (aka RP Mark II)

I guess we were right about the R6 being a more video-centric camera!

Canon is going really strong! This 2 cameras are going to be winners!! Really happy!

This two cameras complement each other! R5 to resolution and making 4k at higher FPS and R6 for low light and for about almost everything that a video creator needs! Finally Zebras!! Just hope the R5 have it too....

This new info adds a bit more of interest on the 9th of July announcement! (like we needed it....!! )

 

[herein2020]

I guess we were right about the R6 being a more video-centric camera!

Canon is going really strong! This 2 cameras are going to be winners!! Really happy!

This two cameras complement each other! R5 to resolution and making 4k at higher FPS and R6 for low light and for about almost everything that a video creator needs! Finally Zebras!! Just hope the R5 have it too....

This new info adds a bit more of interest on the 9th of July announcement! (like we needed it....!! )

I'm greedy...can I get a waveform monitor? I don't use zebras as much as I use the WFM, WFM is way more useful but usually so small you need an external monitor to see it.

Canon has definitely final awoken and created two legendary cameras. It just really NEEDS to record video to both card slots.

 

[privatebydesign]

I think sony a7s and a7r could be an example. Especialy in video mode the a7s was very astonishing when it comes to high ISO

Yes you might think that, but when you actually look it isn't true when image size is normalized, and don't forget neither of these have had NR applied, optimize them both and there is nothing at all in it. Once you apply a touch more color noise reduction to the a7R than the a7S and lose some of that additional detail it's a wash.

It certainly isn't the example I hoped to see and doesn't illustrate the "But an optimized sensor with lower megapixel count CAN be noteable better." mindset so many people have.

 

[privatebydesign]

Its allways the same discussion. 20mp have its place. But as you noted, these are only the high end sports cameras (super specialized tools) where super fast turnaround and upload times are crucial. For more general tools (which are used for imagephotos, fashion, products, weddings) a higher megapixel count is certainly an advantage in many many situations. Though certainly not the most important thing.

I'd venture 20mp has every bit as much of a place in the amateur arena as the pro arena, how many amateurs regularly need more than 20mp? As always there are exceptions and specific use cases but the vast majority of people shoot for screen and email and maybe a modest sized print, all easily handled by 20mp.

 

[Fast351]

Since I own a EOS 200D/SL2 that has that age, age, age, age old nine digit diamond AF I believe that Canon can do everything to downsize a camera as long as they think it sells.
BTW I only got the 200D as a replacement with some delta money for my 100D that was ruined by Canon service. I wouldn't have bought it to replace my 100D/SL1.
But it was a fair deal of my Canon service, so I said "yes!".

SL1 is my favorite walkaround camera. 90% of my 70D in performance in the package of a point and shoot. With the 18-300 I have on there it is quite possibly my favorite walkaround.

I am PUMPED for the R6 tho. The EVF and AF was my primary concern (don't care about video at all) and that looks like it's the same as the R5. Although I fear that may drive the price to where I need to think about spending the extra grand for more resolution... 3 weeks......

 

[herein2020]

Resolution is probably the most overrated feature ever for most people.
20MP is plenty for stills, really.
People can still use a 5D Mark II for landscapes in 2020 and beyond, and create award-winning large prints from it.

45MP is better of course, if one can justify spending more, that's totally fine as well, but it is not nearly as much of a difference as the numbers would suggest.
And people will also pay more for bigger memory cards and more storage, a better PC to cope with the bigger files, when they might not actually need it. It is quite linear in terms of file size increase, but not linear in terms of actual resolution gain.

I agree, the only time I am glad I have 30MP is when I run out of focal length and need to crop in quite a bit which is not often. For 90% of the time I wish my 5DIV was around 20MP due to file sizes and processing times.